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Britt Burns
10-02-2008, 12:01 AM
I've been meaning to do this since the minor league season ended, and since I'm too antsy waiting for the game tomorrow to do anything productive, here it goes.

First off, only two rookies made an impact at the Major League level for the Sox: Alexei Ramirez and Clayton Richard. While that isn't a ton of help from the minors, Ramirez should be at least the runner-up ROY, and Richard came out of nowhere to have a few nice outings. It should also be noted that none of the prospects the Sox traded in the offseason did much at the majors: Gio Gonzalez got raked (although he should still be good), Ryan Sweeney had a good average but less punch than, say, Dewayne Wise, Fautino De Los Santos was out with a career-threatening injury and Chris Carter had a nice if not spectacular season in Hi A.

Despite what appears at first glance to be a strong 2008 draft, the Sox still have to rank pretty low among talent compared to the rest of the majors. That being said, the top three hitters drafted (Beckham, Morel, and Danks) have potential and several arms (Nevin Griffith, Nathan Jones, Daniel Hudson, Dexter Carter) who could breakthrough in 2009.

1. Gordon Beckham, SS - the Sox best middle infield prospect since...Bucky Dent? Luke Appling? He should start at High A next year, and I am dying to see him and Alexei up the middle for years to come.
2. Aaron Poreda, LHP - Had a good season, although he did not dominate as it may be expected from someone with his size and stuff. At a bare minimum he should have a nice career as a LOOGY, with a #3 or #4 starter as his ceiling.
3. Brandon Allen, 1B/DH - Big dropoff here from the top two. Allen hit well in two pitcher's parks, was fairly young for AA, and even stole 17 bases. Next year should tell if he continues to improve or keeps his track as a AAAA/platoon type player. I think of Dan Pasqua when I see Allen, which admittedly is an imperfect comparison.
4. Chris Getz, SS/2B - He's gotten better every year and should be a solid bench player. Another lefty bat. His injury late in the season shouldn't affect him in 2009.
5. Brent Morel, 3B - Was seen as a bit of a reach at the 86th overall pick in the 2008 draft, but turned in a solid performance at Great Falls and Kanny. He got stronger as the season went on, finding his power stroke in the last few weeks of the season and displaying a good eye at the plate. Strong fielder.
6. Garrett Johnson, LHP - Stands 6-10 and is lefthanded. Hmmmm, who does that remind you of? Unfortunately he projects more as a left-handed Jon Rauch than a Big Unit, which still ain't too bad.
7. Dexter Carter, RHP - see below.
8. Dan Hudson, RHP - see above.
(seriously, Carter and Hudson both came from Old Dominion, were born six weeks apart, and are hard-throwing rightys. Thier stat lines at Great Falls: 6-1, 2.23, 68 IPs 25 BB 89 K; 5-4, 3.36, 69 IPs 22 BB 90 K. Carter is considered the better, although more raw prospect. No word if they room together on the road. Weird.)
9. John Shelby, OF - His stock dropped when his glove forced a move from 2B to the outfield. Did have a good season at W-S: .295/15/80 37 2B, 33 SB.
10. Nevin Griffith, RHP - The Sox 2nd round pick in 2007 has been brought along slowly but has a big league arm. Could rocket up this list in 2009, as could the next three players.
11. Jaun Silverio, SS - A terrible year, but his first and he was only 17 (cough, cough). He may have to move out of short.
12. Jordan Danks, OF - Could have been drafted in the first two or three rounds of the 2005 draft, but went to UT instead where he had a solid career, although his power never came around. Had a strong few weeks at Kanny to end the season. Good batting eye, speed, and solid D in CF in college. Brother of John Danks.
13. Jose Martinez, OF - Six-five, will be 20 at the start of next season. Hit .306 in limited action at Kanny.
14. Kanekoa Teixeria - Pitched well at W-S and B-ham. Middle reliever type.
15. John Ely, RHP - Good arm, poor results so far.
16. Leroy Hunt, RHP - If he gets control he could be a poor (and slightly thinner) man's Bobby Jenks.
17. Jack Egbert, RHP - Always lightly regarded despite impressive stats, injuries slowed him down this year. His peripherals were still good.
18. Gregory Infante, RHP - Great at Bristol, got lit up in Kanny.
19. Mike Grace, C - The closest the Sox have to a catching prospect. Don't get hurt AJ!
20. Tyler Kuhn, SS - Owned the Pioneer League to the tune of .375/.424/.570. Bats lefty.

btrain929
10-02-2008, 08:29 AM
I'd have to believe that John Shelby is higher than our 9th best prospect. But that's just me. I am intrigued by Kuhn, Carter, Hudson, and Allen, though.

PS Where's Jon Link?

Nice job Britt.

gr8mexico
10-02-2008, 10:41 AM
Can we hurry and trade them for something good

Craig Grebeck
10-02-2008, 11:11 AM
My top ten:

Beckham
Poreda
Allen
Getz
Richard
Danks
Egbert
Harrell
Shelby
Carter

Others I like: Hudson, Teixeira, Rasner, Morel, Link, Johnson, Hunt.

Really, really down on Silverio. First reports on him were awful. Plus the uncertainty regarding his age.

Britt Burns
10-02-2008, 11:46 AM
I'd have to believe that John Shelby is higher than our 9th best prospect. But that's just me. I am intrigued by Kuhn, Carter, Hudson, and Allen, though.

PS Where's Jon Link?

Nice job Britt.

Shelby's relatively poor BB/K ratio has me worried he can keep improving as he progresses, and as mentioned him moving to left field puts a serious dent in his prospect status. That being said, I don't think it would be out of line to put him in the 5 or 6 range, before Carter and Hudson but after Getz.

As for Link, you are absolutely correct, I overlooked him. I'd put him after Teixiera maybe, who is younger but less polished.

Bucky F. Dent
10-02-2008, 11:57 AM
I've been meaning to do this since the minor league season ended, and since I'm too antsy waiting for the game tomorrow to do anything productive, here it goes.


Don't be ridiculous, Britt. This is extremely productive. Thanks for the effort!

Bucky F. Dent
10-02-2008, 11:59 AM
Really, really down on Silverio. First reports on him were awful. Plus the uncertainty regarding his age.


Is this the first product of the Wilder scandal?

Craig Grebeck
10-02-2008, 01:23 PM
Is this the first product of the Wilder scandal?
Nothing's confirmed. I've read tidbits online that aren't worth much, but judging by the Wilder scandal as well as Silverio's lack of publicity this season, I think there may be something to it.

btrain929
10-02-2008, 01:28 PM
Nothing's confirmed. I've read tidbits online that aren't worth much, but judging by the Wilder scandal as well as Silverio's lack of publicity this season, I think there may be something to it.

Keep in mind............HE'S 17. It's not like he was expected to be ready for the big league roster in '09. We have him, so might as well see what he can do. It'd be foolish to cast him off already as a bust.

Craig Grebeck
10-02-2008, 01:37 PM
Keep in mind............HE'S 17. It's not like he was expected to be ready for the big league roster in '09. We have him, so might as well see what he can do. It'd be foolish to cast him off already as a bust.
What I'm saying is that I'm not totally convinced he is in fact seventeen years old.

btrain929
10-02-2008, 01:46 PM
What I'm saying is that I'm not totally convinced he is in fact seventeen years old.

Besides him being from the Dominican (or wherever he's from), what gives you that impression? I met him in Spring Training, and while he's tall, he looked very young.

Optipessimism
10-02-2008, 07:58 PM
Besides him being from the Dominican (or wherever he's from), what gives you that impression? I met him in Spring Training, and while he's tall, he looked very young.
Does Alexei Ramirez look 26? He looks like he's about 20 to me. Appearances can be deceiving.

Two bits of info came out in regards to Silverio:

First Phil Rogers calls him a 16-year-old man-child in a little blurb where he explains a few international FA signings. The source of this info is either Wilder, who was fired, or his man Regier, who was re-assigned. So you have corrupt baseball people passing word along to a hack reporter who doesn't see the kid play, and we're supposed to believe any of that is true?

The next bit of info came from an ex-poster at Soxtalk who claimed to be a newly hired player development staff member and somehow knew intimate details of the entire scandal WELL before anyone in the public did, and this guy said he was 20 years old.

For me personally, the poster at Soxtalk is the more credible of the two. While he may be lying, he knew way too much for him to not be involved with the Sox organization somehow. I think either he works for the team, works for another organization, or is closely related to someone who does. Whoever provided the info is a legit source, much more legit IMO than Phil Rogers who prints what gets passed along to him.

Silverio hasn't done anything this year and as another poster mentioned, the talk around him has definitely died down. Silverio may in fact be a prospect for all we know, but anytime a SS who can't play defense signs for $600K and puts up a .228/.265/.361/.586 line in Bristol it looks like a huge waste of cash. 56 K's to 8 BB's, 12 XBH's in 215 AB's is absolutely pathetic, 17 years old or not.

Keep in mind, Jordan Danks, a legit prospect who could've gone in the supplemental first or second round on talent alone, signed for about $500K. There are undrafted 18-year-old high school kids that could hit better than that at Bristol, and for $600K you'd expect the type of kid that, if he'd been in the draft, would've been listed as one of the top-100 prospects in the nation and possibly taken in the first three rounds if his agent isn't a factor. Silverio sure doesn't sound like a player with that kind of talent.

btrain929
10-02-2008, 08:13 PM
That $600K didn't prevent us from signing a certain draft pick or signing a FA. Every foreign prospect won't turn into a stud. I'll still give him time. If he's a bust, he's a bust. Oh well.

Optipessimism
10-02-2008, 08:15 PM
I've been meaning to do this since the minor league season ended, and since I'm too antsy waiting for the game tomorrow to do anything productive, here it goes.

First off, only two rookies made an impact at the Major League level for the Sox: Alexei Ramirez and Clayton Richard. While that isn't a ton of help from the minors, Ramirez should be at least the runner-up ROY, and Richard came out of nowhere to have a few nice outings. It should also be noted that none of the prospects the Sox traded in the offseason did much at the majors: Gio Gonzalez got raked (although he should still be good), Ryan Sweeney had a good average but less punch than, say, Dewayne Wise, Fautino De Los Santos was out with a career-threatening injury and Chris Carter had a nice if not spectacular season in Hi A.

Despite what appears at first glance to be a strong 2008 draft, the Sox still have to rank pretty low among talent compared to the rest of the majors. That being said, the top three hitters drafted (Beckham, Morel, and Danks) have potential and several arms (Nevin Griffith, Nathan Jones, Daniel Hudson, Dexter Carter) who could breakthrough in 2009.

1. Gordon Beckham, SS - the Sox best middle infield prospect since...Bucky Dent? Luke Appling? He should start at High A next year, and I am dying to see him and Alexei up the middle for years to come.
2. Aaron Poreda, LHP - Had a good season, although he did not dominate as it may be expected from someone with his size and stuff. At a bare minimum he should have a nice career as a LOOGY, with a #3 or #4 starter as his ceiling.
3. Brandon Allen, 1B/DH - Big dropoff here from the top two. Allen hit well in two pitcher's parks, was fairly young for AA, and even stole 17 bases. Next year should tell if he continues to improve or keeps his track as a AAAA/platoon type player. I think of Dan Pasqua when I see Allen, which admittedly is an imperfect comparison.
4. Chris Getz, SS/2B - He's gotten better every year and should be a solid bench player. Another lefty bat. His injury late in the season shouldn't affect him in 2009.
5. Brent Morel, 3B - Was seen as a bit of a reach at the 86th overall pick in the 2008 draft, but turned in a solid performance at Great Falls and Kanny. He got stronger as the season went on, finding his power stroke in the last few weeks of the season and displaying a good eye at the plate. Strong fielder.
6. Garrett Johnson, LHP - Stands 6-10 and is lefthanded. Hmmmm, who does that remind you of? Unfortunately he projects more as a left-handed Jon Rauch than a Big Unit, which still ain't too bad.
7. Dexter Carter, RHP - see below.
8. Dan Hudson, RHP - see above.
(seriously, Carter and Hudson both came from Old Dominion, were born six weeks apart, and are hard-throwing rightys. Thier stat lines at Great Falls: 6-1, 2.23, 68 IPs 25 BB 89 K; 5-4, 3.36, 69 IPs 22 BB 90 K. Carter is considered the better, although more raw prospect. No word if they room together on the road. Weird.)
9. John Shelby, OF - His stock dropped when his glove forced a move from 2B to the outfield. Did have a good season at W-S: .295/15/80 37 2B, 33 SB.
10. Nevin Griffith, RHP - The Sox 2nd round pick in 2007 has been brought along slowly but has a big league arm. Could rocket up this list in 2009, as could the next three players.
11. Jaun Silverio, SS - A terrible year, but his first and he was only 17 (cough, cough). He may have to move out of short.
12. Jordan Danks, OF - Could have been drafted in the first two or three rounds of the 2005 draft, but went to UT instead where he had a solid career, although his power never came around. Had a strong few weeks at Kanny to end the season. Good batting eye, speed, and solid D in CF in college. Brother of John Danks.
13. Jose Martinez, OF - Six-five, will be 20 at the start of next season. Hit .306 in limited action at Kanny.
14. Kanekoa Teixeria - Pitched well at W-S and B-ham. Middle reliever type.
15. John Ely, RHP - Good arm, poor results so far.
16. Leroy Hunt, RHP - If he gets control he could be a poor (and slightly thinner) man's Bobby Jenks.
17. Jack Egbert, RHP - Always lightly regarded despite impressive stats, injuries slowed him down this year. His peripherals were still good.
18. Gregory Infante, RHP - Great at Bristol, got lit up in Kanny.
19. Mike Grace, C - The closest the Sox have to a catching prospect. Don't get hurt AJ!
20. Tyler Kuhn, SS - Owned the Pioneer League to the tune of .375/.424/.570. Bats lefty.
Charlie Shirek, Anthony Carter, and Jake Rasner would like to be on your list too. I think Rasner has a good shot of breaking out next year, ala Clayton Richard but as a better prospect. It seems we have quite a few decent prospects, but no real ace pitching prospect and only a couple position prospects with All-Star type ceilings (Beckham, Allen, and Martinez unless his injury takes him out of that category).

Don't know anything about Garrett Johnson, what does he throw?

turners56
10-02-2008, 08:39 PM
My top ten:

Beckham
Poreda
Allen
Getz
Richard
Danks
Egbert
Harrell
Shelby
Carter

Others I like: Hudson, Teixeira, Rasner, Morel, Link, Johnson, Hunt.

Really, really down on Silverio. First reports on him were awful. Plus the uncertainty regarding his age.

That's Mark Teixeira's brother right?

FedEx227
10-03-2008, 12:33 AM
Nope, in fact our Tex spells his name Kanekoa Texeira as opposed to Mark Teixeira

SoxSpeed22
10-03-2008, 02:41 AM
Plus Kanekoa Texeira is Hawaiian, while Mark Tiexiera's from Maryland.
Back to the topic, with how depleted the farm system was, it is nice to see the 2008 draft class step up and play the way they did. Hopefully they can develop well.

CleeFan101
10-03-2008, 03:37 AM
Whatever happened to Kent Gerst(think that was name) He was highly thought of I thought going into this season.

Craig Grebeck
10-03-2008, 09:51 AM
Whatever happened to Kent Gerst(think that was name) He was highly thought of I thought going into this season.
Put up a decent line in Great Falls, should be in low A next year.

jabrch
10-03-2008, 08:56 PM
I don't see anyone in line to do much in 09 except maybe Getz.

FedEx227
10-04-2008, 12:45 AM
No, it's going to be a slow rebuilding process. Our organization was in shambles from 2005-2007.

khan
10-07-2008, 11:57 AM
Does anyone know if Egbert is on the 40-man roster?

I agree that he seems to have good numbers, but for some reason, the organization doesn't rate him too highly... For that matter, does anyone know why isn't Egbert more highly regarded? Is it an injury history? Is it a lack of "stuff?" Is it his physical or mental makeup?

sox1970
10-07-2008, 12:03 PM
Does anyone know if Egbert is on the 40-man roster?

I agree that he seems to have good numbers, but for some reason, the organization doesn't rate him too highly... For that matter, does anyone know why isn't Egbert more highly regarded? Is it an injury history? Is it a lack of "stuff?" Is it his physical or mental makeup?

Egbert is on the 40-man. He had a bad season after being injured in spring training. I'm not sure if they're down on him or not. I think he'll stick around and get a look in spring training. If Haeger stuck around as long as he did, I think Egbert will too.

khan
10-07-2008, 12:08 PM
Egbert is on the 40-man. He had a bad season after being injured in spring training. I'm not sure if they're down on him or not. I think he'll stick around and get a look in spring training. If Haeger stuck around as long as he did, I think Egbert will too.

Thanks for this.

This organization has an odd way of handling pitching prospects. Some, like Haeger and Day, are allowed to fester for YEARS and YEARS, never improving, never increasing in value, and never making strides towards the big club.

Others, like Logan and Sisco, are RUSHED to the bigs from the minors, and then we all wonder why they're underdeveloped.

I'm not sure if Egbert is more like a festering Haeger in the organization, or if he's just not good enough for some reason...

btrain929
10-07-2008, 12:27 PM
Me personally, I hope this year was just an abberation for Egbert. The past 2-3 years he has had really good K/IP numbers, ERA, etc. He's supposed to feature a very good heavy sinker that would play well in the 'Cell. I'm hoping this year just got off on the wrong foot because of injury, and he never recovered from that as well as adjusting to AAA.

I expect him to bounce back greatly in '09 in AAA and be one of our top pitching prospects that can be MLB ready.

SoxNation05
10-07-2008, 07:29 PM
Thanks for this.

This organization has an odd way of handling pitching prospects. Some, like Haeger and Day, are allowed to fester for YEARS and YEARS, never improving, never increasing in value, and never making strides towards the big club.

Others, like Logan and Sisco, are RUSHED to the bigs from the minors, and then we all wonder why they're underdeveloped.

I'm not sure if Egbert is more like a festering Haeger in the organization, or if he's just not good enough for some reason...

Sisco came up with the Royals?

Tragg
10-07-2008, 08:33 PM
Others, like Logan and Sisco, are RUSHED to the bigs from the minors, and then we all wonder why they're underdeveloped.

Wasn't Sisco acquried for the purpose of providing immediate bullpen help? We didn't really get him as a prospect to nurture.

Logan has actually shown some positives. He's also pitched poorly but if he could harness his upside, he'd be really good. I'd keep him around.

Craig Grebeck
10-07-2008, 09:33 PM
Sisco came up with the Royals?
Cubs

jcw218
10-07-2008, 09:56 PM
Cubs


Sisco was a highly regarded prospect with the Cubs and was taken in the Rule 5 draft by KCand spent the year in the bullpen and IIRC, was average.

Craig Grebeck
10-07-2008, 10:45 PM
Sisco was a highly regarded prospect with the Cubs and was taken in the Rule 5 draft by KCand spent the year in the bullpen and IIRC, was average.
He was solid that season.

gosox41
10-09-2008, 10:30 PM
Sisco came up with the Royals?

No. The Cubs. He was a Rule V pick up by KC

KyWhiSoxFan
10-13-2008, 10:40 PM
1. Gordon Beckham, SS - the Sox best middle infield prospect since...Bucky Dent? Luke Appling? He should start at High A next year, and I am dying to see him and Alexei up the middle for years to come.
2. Aaron Poreda, LHP - Had a good season, although he did not dominate as it may be expected from someone with his size and stuff. At a bare minimum he should have a nice career as a LOOGY, with a #3 or #4 starter as his ceiling.
3. Brandon Allen, 1B/DH - Big dropoff here from the top two. Allen hit well in two pitcher's parks, was fairly young for AA, and even stole 17 bases. Next year should tell if he continues to improve or keeps his track as a AAAA/platoon type player. I think of Dan Pasqua when I see Allen, which admittedly is an imperfect comparison.
4. Chris Getz, SS/2B - He's gotten better every year and should be a solid bench player. Another lefty bat. His injury late in the season shouldn't affect him in 2009.
5. Brent Morel, 3B - Was seen as a bit of a reach at the 86th overall pick in the 2008 draft, but turned in a solid performance at Great Falls and Kanny. He got stronger as the season went on, finding his power stroke in the last few weeks of the season and displaying a good eye at the plate. Strong fielder.
6. Garrett Johnson, LHP - Stands 6-10 and is lefthanded. Hmmmm, who does that remind you of? Unfortunately he projects more as a left-handed Jon Rauch than a Big Unit, which still ain't too bad.
7. Dexter Carter, RHP - see below.
8. Dan Hudson, RHP - see above.
(seriously, Carter and Hudson both came from Old Dominion, were born six weeks apart, and are hard-throwing rightys. Thier stat lines at Great Falls: 6-1, 2.23, 68 IPs 25 BB 89 K; 5-4, 3.36, 69 IPs 22 BB 90 K. Carter is considered the better, although more raw prospect. No word if they room together on the road. Weird.)
9. John Shelby, OF - His stock dropped when his glove forced a move from 2B to the outfield. Did have a good season at W-S: .295/15/80 37 2B, 33 SB.
10. Nevin Griffith, RHP - The Sox 2nd round pick in 2007 has been brought along slowly but has a big league arm. Could rocket up this list in 2009, as could the next three players.
11. Jaun Silverio, SS - A terrible year, but his first and he was only 17 (cough, cough). He may have to move out of short.
12. Jordan Danks, OF - Could have been drafted in the first two or three rounds of the 2005 draft, but went to UT instead where he had a solid career, although his power never came around. Had a strong few weeks at Kanny to end the season. Good batting eye, speed, and solid D in CF in college. Brother of John Danks.
13. Jose Martinez, OF - Six-five, will be 20 at the start of next season. Hit .306 in limited action at Kanny.
14. Kanekoa Teixeria - Pitched well at W-S and B-ham. Middle reliever type.
15. John Ely, RHP - Good arm, poor results so far.
16. Leroy Hunt, RHP - If he gets control he could be a poor (and slightly thinner) man's Bobby Jenks.
17. Jack Egbert, RHP - Always lightly regarded despite impressive stats, injuries slowed him down this year. His peripherals were still good.
18. Gregory Infante, RHP - Great at Bristol, got lit up in Kanny.
19. Mike Grace, C - The closest the Sox have to a catching prospect. Don't get hurt AJ!
20. Tyler Kuhn, SS - Owned the Pioneer League to the tune of .375/.424/.570. Bats lefty.

Britt Burns did a great job with this list. Kudos.

I don't profess to know as much about the minors, but there are a few players that are missing from my top twenty. I won't go into details on any duplications, but here is my top 20 with notes on new names.

1. Gordon Beckham
2. Aaron Poreda
3. Chris Getz
4. Brandon Allen
5. Dexter Carter
6. Daniel Hudson
7. Brent Morel
8. Jorge Castillo -- A 26th round pick this year, he started in Bristol and hit .365 and then went to Kannapolis and continued to be an on-base machine. He batted .394 in 16 games. He has no power but gets on base at a better than .400 clip. Is a DH and 1B. Came out of Florida International.
9. Lucas Harrell -- A 4th round pick in 2004, missed all of 2007 after surgery on right shoulder. Was 3-3 in 11 starts in 2008 at Birmingham with 3.46 ERA. Sox think enough of him to put him on their Arizona winter team.
10. Cole Armstrong -- Made an impression in spring training and then went to Birmingham and then to Charlotte, hitting .275 at AAA. He is a lefty, like AJ, so being a backup to AJ may not be in the cards, but he showed last spring that he was in the mix.
11. John Shelby
12. Jon Link -- Obtained last year in the Mackowiack deal, he went to Birmingham this year and had 35 saves and an ERA of 3.02. He blew some games late in the year, likely due to having so many outings. He made 56 appearances, striking out 66 in 56 2/3 innings.
13. Justin Cassel -- 7th round pick in 2006. Missed almost 3 months in 2007 with shoulder strain. This year, at Birmingham, he was 10-4 with 3.11 ERA. His brother Matt is a QB for New England; his other brother Jack pitched for San Diego.
14. Henry Mabee -- From Morehead State, like Jon Rauch, he has been a reliever since being drafted in 2007. He has a good fastball and sinker and has steadily moved up. He saved 17 games at Kanny this year with 1.33 ERA, and then at Winston-Salem was 3-1 with 3 saves.
15. Juan Silverio
16. Steven Upchurch -- Just 19 years old, he was at Bristol and was 2-2 with 3.26 ERA. Had some nice outings. He is 6'4" but just 180 pounds. A lot of upside as he fills out his frame.
17. Kanekoa Texeira
18. Tyler Kuhn
19. Mike Grace
20. Jacob Rasner -- Came as the third player in the deal that brought the Sox Danks and Masset. Rasner has done well in middle relief. Had 88 Ks in 106 innings. He is 6'4" and has a power arm. He'll be 22 in December.

Metalthrasher442
10-14-2008, 07:52 PM
I never really kept tabs on college ball at all. I don't really know why, but I have a few questions about Beckham.

Will we see him as much in spring training as we did Alexei, and if Beckham plays that well, will he be up in the bigs at the start of the season? How bad does moving to wood bats have an effect on minor leaguers swings?

btrain929
10-14-2008, 09:15 PM
I never really kept tabs on college ball at all. I don't really know why, but I have a few questions about Beckham.

Will we see him as much in spring training as we did Alexei, and if Beckham plays that well, will he be up in the bigs at the start of the season? How bad does moving to wood bats have an effect on minor leaguers swings?

This is all my opinion.

I don't think we'll see Beckham in spring training as much as Alexei, because there was a legitimate shot for Alexei to make the big league roster. Beckham = not so much. As fans, you would hope that by the time spring comes, our holes at 2b and 3b will be filled, so there'd be no place for Beckham to play anyways.

Now, worst case scenario, would be KW striking out on his plan A-F for 2b and 3b, and Getz/Fields are the probable starters. Then, MAYBE, and only maybe if Beckham tears up the AFL, he could join the battle for a starting gig. But the chances of that are slim to none. I expect him to start in Winston/Salem, and finish the year in Birmingham is progresses smoothly.

As far as wood bats go, I don't know about other players, but Beckham has played in wood bat leagues before (Cape Cod league I believe). So that shouldn't be much of an adjustment for him. Wood bats expose the holes in your swing a little more. With an aluminum bat, a jam shot can get over the SS for a hit, where with a wooden bat, it's a broken bat squibber back to the pitcher.

SoxNation05
10-14-2008, 09:17 PM
I never really kept tabs on college ball at all. I don't really know why, but I have a few questions about Beckham.

Will we see him as much in spring training as we did Alexei, and if Beckham plays that well, will he be up in the bigs at the start of the season? How bad does moving to wood bats have an effect on minor leaguers swings?
Sox are known for ****ing up their best prospects by rushing them through the system. Most prospects get AT LEAST the first half season in the minors and than they may get a September call up. But i think it's best to work him slow. He has used wood bats before in the cape cod league and succeeded. No we will not see him as much as Alexei.

oeo
10-15-2008, 10:19 AM
Sox are known for ****ing up their best prospects by rushing them through the system. Most prospects get AT LEAST the first half season in the minors and than they may get a September call up. But i think it's best to work him slow. He has used wood bats before in the cape cod league and succeeded. No we will not see him as much as Alexei.

This wouldn't be rushing him up through the system, because he's hardly even been in the system. There's not a chance in hell that Beckham starts the year with the big league club. It's likely that he won't play for it at all, except maybe as a September call-up.

NLaloosh
10-15-2008, 10:34 AM
I truly don't believe that the Sox are looking for any contribution from him before 2010 and that's if he has a great year in 2009.

I would guess that they'll start him at AA. That may even be rushing him.

Britt Burns
10-15-2008, 12:44 PM
I truly don't believe that the Sox are looking for any contribution from him before 2010 and that's if he has a great year in 2009.

I would guess that they'll start him at AA. That may even be rushing him.

Agreed, except that I would expect to see him open at High A W-S next year. Best case: he rocks there in 2009, does the same in B-ham in 2010 and we see him in chicago later that year.

Craig Grebeck
10-15-2008, 04:00 PM
Agreed, except that I would expect to see him open at High A W-S next year. Best case: he rocks there in 2009, does the same in B-ham in 2010 and we see him in chicago later that year.
He will be at B-Ham at some point in 2009. There's no doubt about that. He may start in W-S, but he won't be there long.

SoxxoS
10-15-2008, 06:10 PM
Sox are known for ****ing up their best prospects by rushing them through the system.

I think this is just a myth fueled by anecdotal evidence.

1. No prospect has came back to really bite us.

2. Prospects are given AMPLE opportunity to succeed, as so many teams are enthralled with statistics and measureables. How many chances did Joe Borchard get? Point being, even if the Sox did screw them up, if they had the talent it should EVENTUALLY show up - Even if the Sox "allegedly" delayed it b/c of "rushing" the prospect.


Thoughts?

Optipessimism
10-15-2008, 08:37 PM
I think this is just a myth fueled by anecdotal evidence.

1. No prospect has came back to really bite us.

2. Prospects are given AMPLE opportunity to succeed, as so many teams are enthralled with statistics and measureables. How many chances did Joe Borchard get? Point being, even if the Sox did screw them up, if they had the talent it should EVENTUALLY show up - Even if the Sox "allegedly" delayed it b/c of "rushing" the prospect.


Thoughts?
I'm guessing most of this talk centers around pitching prospects, like Kip Wells as an example, who was touted as being a lot better than he ended up. I think the idea is that by rushing prospects and/or not giving them ample time to prove themselves they tear up a pitcher's confidence and that pitcher becomes a lost cause from that point on.

That is kind of a hard thing to prove though. Let's take Gavin Floyd for example, does anyone think he'd have found "it" if he had stayed in Philly? If Gavin stays in Philly and keeps doing what he'd been doing then he might end up getting picked up off waivers, sent to another team's pen to fail, and maybe he ends up being a bust with no MLB career to speak of. Gavin's failures and then his emergence over the second half of '07 through '08 could among other things be a combination of horrible player development and mismanagement on the Phillies side as well as him finding the absolute perfect fit personnel-wise in Chicago. You can also say Gavin simply figured it out mostly on his own and would have broken out no matter where he ended up.

Personally, I think Gavin as an example ends up being a bust if he doesn't come to the Sox. The atmosphere, the personnel - including a manager that let him pitch deep into games and work out of jams, one of the best if not the best pitching coach in the game, veteran starters to learn from, loose clubhouse, etc. - and the change of scenery was exactly what he needed. It's important for a player to go through the minor leagues and reach the major leagues with the same things being stressed all the way through the system. You can't have different managers and different pitching coaches saying and doing different things at each level, and I know there are Philly fans that said some things about their farm system that closely mirror what Sox fans say, being that there wasn't a uniform baseball philosophy from low-A to the major leagues.

It's tough to say where things have gone wrong for the Sox and with what players. Some guys will never make it under the best of circumstances, some will make it no matter what, and others I think can be led one way or another by player development, management, and front office staff.