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nug0hs
09-25-2008, 10:26 AM
Think of it this way. Did you, on April 1st, think that the Sox would be in this kind of race? I personally figured that we would be done, watching the Indians take it all while we basement-dwelled again with the Royals. If we don't pull through with this, are you satisfied with the season? This team has still given us over 80 wins, and we were picked by most "experts" as the 3rd or 4th place team in this division. Even if we don't make the big show, I think this season has been a success given how far we have come since September 25, 2007. My point is: lets enjoy being in such an exciting race, even if it is depressing/disappointing. I certainly didn't think we'd be this close at this time. Go Sox.

hellview
09-25-2008, 10:28 AM
Enough with this "if I would have told you on April 1st crap" If the Sox end up blowing this it's a choke job and a collapse.

Dammit, I'm so sick of you guys that pat the Sox on the back for moral victories.

WIN...THAT'S IT!!

Jim Shorts
09-25-2008, 10:33 AM
Yep, we should just settle for second because we weren't supposed to be there anyway.

Being in first place all season and having a 2-1/2 game lead in the last week in the season and finishing in second is choking. Plain and simple.

Second place sucks.

nug0hs
09-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Depends on how you look at it. You could be glad we are fighting for first, or upset that we are "fighting" for first. I choose to feel fortunate that my team is in a race. We could all be KC fans...

spiffie
09-25-2008, 10:36 AM
Obviously no one wants the Sox in second place, but at some point you have to be willing to recognize the team's effort, grit, and determination. If they end up getting one more fluke loss in MIN and can't catch up to win the division, they still did a hell of a job considering how many injuries they have had to deal with this season. I'll be there giving them a standing ovation no matter how this ends. Anyone who doesn't might as well just wear a sign that says "front-running fairweather fan."

Jerko
09-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Yeah, I hate the "they were supposed to suck anyway so it's ok if they choke" rationalization. They played like little babies the past 2 days; and they're being embarrassed by what I consider to be NOT a very good team. They've been acting afraid of this series for months and when you play scared, you get your ass whupped.

hellview
09-25-2008, 10:40 AM
Obviously no one wants the Sox in second place, but at some point you have to be willing to recognize the team's effort, grit, and determination. If they end up getting one more fluke loss in MIN and can't catch up to win the division, they still did a hell of a job considering how many injuries they have had to deal with this season. I'll be there giving them a standing ovation no matter how this ends. Anyone who doesn't might as well just wear a sign that says "front-running fairweather fan."

It's not about front running, it's about finishing the job. Up 2.5 games into the last week of the season and the most important series and so far they've crapped the bed. It has nothing to do with front running, it's about millionaire professionals doing their god damn job and playing winning baseball.

spiffie
09-25-2008, 10:42 AM
It's not about front running, it's about finishing the job. Up 2.5 games into the last week of the season and the most important series and so far they've crapped the bed. It has nothing to do with front running, it's about millionaire professionals doing their god damn job and playing winning baseball.
You do know the other team has millionaire professionals as well who are doing their jobs. Both teams did their jobs last night. Sadly the Twins did theirs a bit better (and the umps did theirs terribly). That's the nature of this mythical beast we call baseball.

BadBobbyJenks
09-25-2008, 10:42 AM
I am glad we have been in the race all year, but what is this attitude of golly gee no one expected to be here, enjoy the ride and don't feel bad if we lose.

We needed one game in Minnesota, IF we blow this lead there is nothing else to say but we choked.

Save the gee whiz it was a fun ride for a potential playoff elimination, because I do not expect to win a championship with this club. But if we do not make the playoffs it will be a MAJOR disappointment.

The fact is we are in the race and we have been in control of the division for MOST of the season. Preseason expectations were forgotten a long time ago.

Marqhead
09-25-2008, 10:43 AM
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hellview
09-25-2008, 10:46 AM
You do know the other team has millionaire professionals as well who are doing their jobs. Both teams did their jobs last night. Sadly the Twins did theirs a bit better (and the umps did theirs terribly). That's the nature of this mythical beast we call baseball.

Stop with this ump crap cause even if he's out it's a 2-2 game so you can't say it cost the Sox the game.

Jim Shorts
09-25-2008, 10:46 AM
You do know the other team has millionaire professionals as well who are doing their jobs. Both teams did their jobs last night. Sadly the Twins did theirs a bit better (and the umps did theirs terribly). That's the nature of this mythical beast we call baseball.

This is incorrect. 1-11 from 3, 4, 5 is not doing their jobs. Striking out with the bases loaded is not doing their job. We did NOT lose because of that botched call at second. We lost because we left our bats in KC.

Signed,
Front running fair weather fan.

spiffie
09-25-2008, 10:47 AM
I am glad we have been in the race all year, but what is this attitude of golly gee no one expected to be here, enjoy the ride and don't feel bad if we lose.

We needed one game in Minnesota, IF we blow this lead there is nothing else to say but we choked.

Save the gee whiz it was a fun ride for a potential playoff elimination, because I do not expect to win a championship with this club. But if we do not make the playoffs it will be a MAJOR disappointment.

The fact is we are in the race and we have been in control of the division for MOST of the season. Preseason expectations were forgotten a long time ago.
You are never in control of a division when you're up by 1-2 games at most. That's called a pennant race. If you blow a big lead fine, bust out the choker label. But the Twins have always been right there neck and neck with us. This team didn't choke if they lose, they got edged out at the wire.

esbrechtel
09-25-2008, 10:48 AM
Glad to see that they are in the race but when they go in so close it is still going to suck to see them not make the playoffs again...

BadBobbyJenks
09-25-2008, 10:49 AM
You are never in control of a division when you're up by 1-2 games at most. That's called a pennant race. If you blow a big lead fine, bust out the choker label. But the Twins have always been right there neck and neck with us. This team didn't choke if they lose, they got edged out at the wire.

The Twins went 12-18 down the stretch coming into the Sox series. If we do not close this out, we choked. There is no other way to put it.

hellview
09-25-2008, 10:50 AM
You are never in control of a division when you're up by 1-2 games at most. That's called a pennant race. If you blow a big lead fine, bust out the choker label. But the Twins have always been right there neck and neck with us. This team didn't choke if they lose, they got edged out at the wire.

What about the fact that the Twins did exactly what everyone thought they would do on those long trips...they lost. But the Sox played crap baseball and blew countless chances to make this series pointless.

This series should be junk time and setting up the rotation for the postseason. But the Sox have played like crap...that's a choke. It might not be Mets 2007 like, but it's a choke.

spiffie
09-25-2008, 10:52 AM
Ah WSI, where anything less than 100 wins is apparently choking. There are some people in this thread who make me embarrassed to be a Sox fan.

hellview
09-25-2008, 10:54 AM
Ah WSI, where anything less than 100 wins is apparently choking. There are some people in this thread who make me embarrassed to be a Sox fan.

It's not about 100 wins, it's about finishing the job. Going out there and playing good baseball when the team that's behind has gone 12-18 over the last month.

Jim Shorts
09-25-2008, 10:58 AM
Ah WSI, where anything less than 100 wins is apparently choking. There are some people in this thread who make me embarrassed to be a Sox fan.

Do you play the organ and USCF or something.

They are blowing it. That is all everyone is saying.

UofCSoxFan
09-25-2008, 10:58 AM
Think of it this way. Did you, on April 1st, think that the Sox would be in this kind of race? I personally figured that we would be done, watching the Indians take it all while we basement-dwelled again with the Royals. If we don't pull through with this, are you satisfied with the season? This team has still given us over 80 wins, and we were picked by most "experts" as the 3rd or 4th place team in this division. Even if we don't make the big show, I think this season has been a success given how far we have come since September 25, 2007. My point is: lets enjoy being in such an exciting race, even if it is depressing/disappointing. I certainly didn't think we'd be this close at this time. Go Sox.

I said at the beginning of the year that CLE's pen would be a mess and if their offense struggled at all they'd be vulnerable. I also said Detroit's starting pitching/age could possibly catch up to them. If both these things happened, and the Sox got good starting pitching I thought the Sox would win the division. All three things have happened and I'd be extremely disappointed if they didn't win the division given this.

BadBobbyJenks
09-25-2008, 10:58 AM
Ah WSI, where anything less than 100 wins is apparently choking. There are some people in this thread who make me embarrassed to be a Sox fan.

What a joke. No one is talking about 100 wins, what a ridiculous thing to say. 2.5 game lead with 7 to play, losing that lead is not acceptable and I am embarrassed by any fan who thinks it is.

This thread will prove to be irrelevant after Gavin takes care of business tonight, but give me a break with the don't feel bad if we lose stuff.

Soxman219
09-25-2008, 11:02 AM
We have been first for 145 days, if we lose tonight, it's a choke! The Twins weren't supposed to be here too! They lost Santana and Hunter but yet are crusing along. They knew because the Sox are scared to play in that dump that they had them right where they want them. The Twins go all out against the Sox because they know we're scared of them. I SAY SCARED OF WHAT? A bunch of slap hitters who benefit from the dome but can't play on the road. I'll tell y'all what needs to happen. We need to stop with this praising for the Minnesota Twins! Ozzie took a step in the right direction last night by saying Blackburn didn't pitch well. He's right, he didn't. It's just that our hitters don't hit well with runners on scoring position. Don't agree? ask any other team who hits off of Blackburn.

Stop ****ridin' Gomez Hawk! While he is a good CF, he's not a great hitter at all.

Why do we let no-names like Kubel and Punto own us all the time? Outside of Mauer and Morneau, the Twins are like the Royals. The Twins won't spend and money on superstars as long as that cheap owner is there. The day we stop fearing the Twins is the day we finally beat the **** out of them consistently. I'm done being afraid of the Twins. **** em'

esbrechtel
09-25-2008, 11:06 AM
Kubel is pretty good....but yeah I really am sick of the 3 bloop singles every inning...

stevied23
09-25-2008, 11:08 AM
What about the fact that the Twins did exactly what everyone thought they would do on those long trips...they lost. But the Sox played crap baseball and blew countless chances to make this series pointless.

This series should be junk time and setting up the rotation for the postseason. But the Sox have played like crap...that's a choke. It might not be Mets 2007 like, but it's a choke.


I couldn't agree more. This should be basically an irrelevant series. With the Twins collapse on the road over the past month, Sox should have a 6 game lead at least. I mean come one, Clayton Richard pitches an absolute gem in Yankee Stadium only to have the anemic offense put up a pathetic display against an unheard of pitcher.

AnkleSox
09-25-2008, 11:15 AM
Obviously no one wants the Sox in second place, but at some point you have to be willing to recognize the team's effort, grit, and determination. If they end up getting one more fluke loss in MIN and can't catch up to win the division, they still did a hell of a job considering how many injuries they have had to deal with this season. I'll be there giving them a standing ovation no matter how this ends. Anyone who doesn't might as well just wear a sign that says "front-running fairweather fan."

If the Sox fielded a team that showed effort, grit, and determination then maybe I'd agree with this.

hellview
09-25-2008, 11:19 AM
Obviously no one wants the Sox in second place, but at some point you have to be willing to recognize the team's effort, grit, and determination. If they end up getting one more fluke loss in MIN and can't catch up to win the division, they still did a hell of a job considering how many injuries they have had to deal with this season. I'll be there giving them a standing ovation no matter how this ends. Anyone who doesn't might as well just wear a sign that says "front-running fairweather fan."

Effort-The Tiger sucking
Grit-The Indians sucks
Determination-your kidding me right?

salty99
09-25-2008, 11:24 AM
:threadsucks

Tragg
09-25-2008, 11:24 AM
Think of it this way. Did you, on April 1st, think that the Sox would be in this kind of race? I personally figured that we would be done, watching the Indians take it
In a major city with a large budget, the Sox should field a competitive team 5/6 years. Sure I had my doubts about this edition, especially after 2007's clown team but Carlos Quentin, plus the fact that the Tigers and Indians were bad teams, put the Soxo into a position to win.

Craig Grebeck
09-25-2008, 11:25 AM
So how can you tell when a team has effort, grit, determination? Is it when they're small and have little beards? I can't believe people think we lose because we don't try hard enough.

AnkleSox
09-25-2008, 11:40 AM
So how can you tell when a team has effort, grit, determination? Is it when they're small and have little beards? I can't believe people think we lose because we don't try hard enough.

It's when they show any sort of emotion after a tough loss and come back fighting the next day. It's when, with 2 strikes, they're willing to cut down on their swing and take one base so that maybe one of the next two hitters can drive them in. But who wants to stand on base and actually have to hustle when once every 5 games or so they'll have the opportunity to just trot around the bases? The most fun one can have while hitting .220 is when they can swing away and accidentally run into a mistake every now and then.

forte
09-25-2008, 11:43 AM
Think of it this way. Did you, on April 1st, think that the Sox would be in this kind of race? I personally figured that we would be done, watching the Indians take it all while we basement-dwelled again with the Royals. If we don't pull through with this, are you satisfied with the season? This team has still given us over 80 wins, and we were picked by most "experts" as the 3rd or 4th place team in this division. Even if we don't make the big show, I think this season has been a success given how far we have come since September 25, 2007. My point is: lets enjoy being in such an exciting race, even if it is depressing/disappointing. I certainly didn't think we'd be this close at this time. Go Sox.

Just miserable analysis

spiffie
09-25-2008, 11:46 AM
It's when they show any sort of emotion after a tough loss and come back fighting the next day. It's when, with 2 strikes, they're willing to cut down on their swing and take one base so that maybe one of the next two hitters can drive them in. But who wants to stand on base and actually have to hustle when once every 5 games or so they'll have the opportunity to just trot around the bases? The most fun one can have while hitting .220 is when they can swing away and accidentally run into a mistake every now and then.
Hey you mean like losing 9-3, and then coming back and playing a game that would have been a W had the umps not sucked? Sure don't see no teams like that around here. :scratch:

ChiSoxFan81
09-25-2008, 11:49 AM
Cut it out with the loser's lament. Sure, expectations were low entering the season. However, they've been raised and raised some more since then as the season has progressed. At this point, it is unacceptable to not make the playoffs. You don't spend 90% of the season in first only to choke at the end and be satisfied with the effort. The same can be said for Carlos Quentin. No one knew who this guy was before the season, but no doubt he carried us, and we'd be nowhere near sniffing the playoffs without him. At the same time, if we blow this thing, I can only blame him because his little tantrum cost us down the stretch.

Nellie_Fox
09-25-2008, 11:54 AM
...if we blow this thing, I can only blame him because his little tantrum cost us down the stretch.This is nonsense. I've paid attention since, and I still see players all over the place step out of the batter's box and slap/punch at the barrel of the bat when frustrated after a swing and miss or taking a cookie. It was an absolute freak accident that wouldn't happen again in another hundred years.

Jim Shorts
09-25-2008, 11:59 AM
Hey you mean like losing 9-3, and then coming back and playing a game that would have been a W had the umps not sucked? Sure don't see no teams like that around here. :scratch:

You'll blame the umps but won't hold the players accountable?

Holy moses.

soxpride724
09-25-2008, 12:02 PM
Yes the Sow are a surprise to most people this season but if we lose this division it will be a bust of a season. Why? because the Sox are better than the Twins. With Cleveland and Detroit out of it the division was ours for the taking.

Procol Harum
09-25-2008, 12:03 PM
Enjoy this if we end up in 2nd because of the thrill of being involved unexpectedly in a race? No stinkin' way! In it to win it, baby--anything else is unacceptable. When you're entering the last week of the season with a 2+ game lead you're not supposed to lose it--especially w/ a veteran club.

ChiSoxFan81
09-25-2008, 12:05 PM
This is nonsense. I've paid attention since, and I still see players all over the place step out of the batter's box and slap/punch at the barrel of the bat when frustrated after a swing and miss or taking a cookie. It was an absolute freak accident that wouldn't happen again in another hundred years.

Guys break bats over their knees and punch walls in the dugout and slam their bats to the ground (think AJ) too. Are these things acceptable, or would it be a "freak accident" if Quentin would have been hurt doing these things?

wxkid23
09-25-2008, 12:33 PM
I don't really believe in moral victories. The division (CLE, DET) basically have tried to hand us the division this year and blowing a 2 1/2 game lead in the last week to Minny who I don't believe is all that is nothing but a blowup. If we don't make the playoffs I really hope changes are made because I doubt Cleveland and Detroit (if they find pitching) will be as bad next season.

Britt Burns
09-25-2008, 12:47 PM
Think of it this way. Did you, on April 1st, think that the Sox would be in this kind of race? I personally figured that we would be done, watching the Indians take it all while we basement-dwelled again with the Royals. If we don't pull through with this, are you satisfied with the season? This team has still given us over 80 wins, and we were picked by most "experts" as the 3rd or 4th place team in this division. Even if we don't make the big show, I think this season has been a success given how far we have come since September 25, 2007. My point is: lets enjoy being in such an exciting race, even if it is depressing/disappointing. I certainly didn't think we'd be this close at this time. Go Sox.

I think this breaks about 3/4ths of the 2005/6 Grinder Rules...

nug0hs
09-25-2008, 12:50 PM
Wow. So much for trying to cheer people up. The point of this post was to look at the brighter side of things. Last time I try to do that.

mcfish
09-25-2008, 12:56 PM
Guys break bats over their knees and punch walls in the dugout and slam their bats to the ground (think AJ) too. Are these things acceptable, or would it be a "freak accident" if Quentin would have been hurt doing these things?No, No, and Yes. But since Quentin didn't get hurt doing any of those things I don't see the point of your comment.

ChiSoxFan81
09-25-2008, 12:59 PM
No, No, and Yes. But since Quentin didn't get hurt doing any of those things I don't see the point of your comment.

The point is that what Quentin did is in the same tantrum category as the others, which can, and have led to injury. They are hardly freak accidents.

Marqhead
09-25-2008, 01:02 PM
Wow. So much for trying to cheer people up. The point of this post was to look at the brighter side of things. Last time I try to do that.

Looking forward to next year when your team is in first with 4 games to play is basically saying you are giving up on the team. No one wants to hear that right now, especially with the ridiculous amount of bitching and moaning going on WSI.

I can accept the complaining if they lose tonight, but some people gave up before this series began, and it is frustrating to have to listen to those people bring all their dark cloud bull**** on every thread on the site.

AnkleSox
09-25-2008, 01:04 PM
Hey you mean like losing 9-3, and then coming back and playing a game that would have been a W had the umps not sucked? Sure don't see no teams like that around here. :scratch:

The Sox scored 2 runs. The umps had nothing to do with that. If you score 2 runs in a game you're most likely going to lose. And when the Sox aren't hitting home runs, they're not scoring runs. It says something about this team that they have twice as many dingers as the Twins and still have scored less runs.

mcfish
09-25-2008, 01:07 PM
The point is that what Quentin did is in the same tantrum category as the others, which can, and have led to injury. They are hardly freak accidents.What Carlos did is the by far the least dangerous way to let out steam that you listed. It was pretty benign in general.

People sometimes need to get their frustration out somehow. If they were to not do anything when frustrated people here would complain that they showed no "heart".

Carlos got hurt, it was an accident, what happens to the team is not in any way his fault because of that. If he punched a wall and broke his hand maybe you've got an argument, but he didn't do anything nearly that bad so this is silly.

JB98
09-25-2008, 01:09 PM
If the Sox do not make the playoffs, the season is a complete and total failure. Total failure.

You go into the last week three games up in the loss column, that's gotta be a division winner. If it doesn't happen, somebody has to pay.

This isn't Little League. The players aren't there to learn life lessons that will serve them well in the future or anything like that. The purpose of professional sports is to win. If you don't win, that's failure.

wxkid23
09-25-2008, 01:10 PM
If the Sox do not make the playoffs, the season is a complete and total failure. Total failure.

You go into the last week three games up in the loss column, that's gotta be a division winner. If it doesn't happen, somebody has to pay.

This isn't Little League. The players aren't there to learn life lessons that will serve them well in the future or anything like that. The purpose of professional sports is to win. If you don't win, that's failure.

Agree 100%

soxfanaticpaulie
09-25-2008, 01:10 PM
Wow. So much for trying to cheer people up. The point of this post was to look at the brighter side of things. Last time I try to do that.

I get what you are trying to do...hell...I've been trying to do it myself. The problem is that this isn't a bunch of young, fast, ballplayers who are up and coming in their careers, that weren't expected to do anything in the division this year making an unexpected run at a pennant.

This is a team of old, slow, veterans, many of which are on the last legs of their careers. They weren't expected to do anything this year because they were garbage last year, and they weren't getting any younger or faster.

This year has been fun up to this point because they have been performing better than expected based on their collective age and declining abilities. The sad truth is that this is probably the last chance at it with the team constituted as it is. Rebuilding is needed, that's obvious. I think we are all tired of watching Konerko, Thome, Griffey, and Dye (Dye not as much as the other 3) limp their way around the bases going station to station, and hobbling around the field struggling to get to balls.

Thankfully, the starting rotation is well on its way to being rebuilt. We have 3 viable starters for a few years to come. We have TCQ and Ramirez in the field, but from there it gets VERY hazy. I see a couple of down years on the horizon, so I want them to do something special this year when they have given themselves a shot at it!

GO GO SOX!

Law11
09-25-2008, 01:25 PM
My point is: lets enjoy being in such an exciting race, even if it is depressing/disappointing.

How is this enjoyable..
I appreciate the effort to uplift but the only thing that will uplift is a win tonight. A win tonight gives us the edge for the title.
A loss tonight and warm up the bus for Glendale 09..

A win tonight could salvage the season and jump start this nightmare that has been the sox the past month reminiscent of sept 05 when Cleve closed it to a game. Oh wheres Joe Crede with a homer to win it when you need him..

A loss tonight has us in essence having to run the table and hope KC pulls out a game in Minn. The "might be" games next week are too big a headache to even think about. Just win tonight and bury all this crap for good.

JB98
09-25-2008, 01:34 PM
How is this enjoyable..
I appreciate the effort to uplift but the only thing that will uplift is a win tonight. A win tonight gives us the edge for the title.
A loss tonight and warm up the bus for Glendale 09..

A win tonight could salvage the season and jump start this nightmare that has been the sox the past month reminiscent of sept 05 when Cleve closed it to a game. Oh wheres Joe Crede with a homer to win it when you need him..

A loss tonight has us in essence having to run the table and hope KC pulls out a game in Minn. The "might be" games next week are too big a headache to even think about. Just win tonight and bury all this crap for good.

That's a good question. I've often chastised myself these last few weeks for not enjoying the pennant race enough. But you know what? I'm not enjoying it because the Sox aren't playing well. So far, Minnesota has played just bad enough to not catch us.

It isn't like this is two good teams battling it out, winning every day and pushing each other. This is bad baseball. I've spent this entire month lamenting Sox losses and missed opportunities. I imagine Twins fans have spent their entire month lamenting Twins losses and missed opportunities.

It's a pennant crawl more than a pennant race.

doublem23
09-25-2008, 01:37 PM
Wow. So much for trying to cheer people up. The point of this post was to look at the brighter side of things. Last time I try to do that.

It's a tough right now, but I hear what you're saying... After last years, it's nice to be playing meaningful games so late in the season.

kittle42
09-25-2008, 01:37 PM
That's a good question. I've often chastised myself these last few weeks for not enjoying the pennant race enough. But you know what? I'm not enjoying it because the Sox aren't playing well. So far, Minnesota has played just bad enough to not catch us.

It isn't like this is two good teams battling it out, winning every day and pushing each other. This is bad baseball. I've spent this entire month lamenting Sox losses and missed opportunities. I imagine Twins fans have spent their entire month lamenting Twins losses and missed opportunities.

It's a pennant crawl more than a pennant race.

Fans of the Mets, Brewers, and Phillies are saying the same thing, not that we should take any solace in that.

doublem23
09-25-2008, 01:38 PM
How is this enjoyable..
I appreciate the effort to uplift but the only thing that will uplift is a win tonight. A win tonight gives us the edge for the title.
A loss tonight and warm up the bus for Glendale 09..

A win tonight could salvage the season and jump start this nightmare that has been the sox the past month reminiscent of sept 05 when Cleve closed it to a game. Oh wheres Joe Crede with a homer to win it when you need him..

A loss tonight has us in essence having to run the table and hope KC pulls out a game in Minn. The "might be" games next week are too big a headache to even think about. Just win tonight and bury all this crap for good.

Would you rather than Sox be in 4th place and been out of the race since July?

This is what "being competitive." How is this not fun? This is what baseball is all about, being in the thick of a race for the play-offs at the very end of the season.

Law11
09-25-2008, 01:55 PM
Would you rather than Sox be in 4th place and been out of the race since July?

This is what "being competitive." How is this not fun? This is what baseball is all about, being in the thick of a race for the play-offs at the very end of the season.

Competitive? I'd be thrilled to be competitive but its been game after game of wondering when is the shoe going to drop on a bad inning in the field knowing full well our bats have gone dead. Or getting a run or two and then watching it disappear the next half inning with a consecutive walks setting up a big inning.

Whens the last time we came back and won a game... thats being competitive.

Making avg pitchers day in and day out in the most heated stretch look like 20 game winners is not enjoyable in my mind.

So after each blown opportunity with RISP you are at home saying "Man this is what its all about"?

Kudos to you. I however need to invest in another batch of Tums because this flat out bites...

doublem23
09-25-2008, 01:59 PM
Competitive? I'd be thrilled to be competitive but its been game after game of wondering when is the shoe going to drop on a bad inning in the field knowing full well our bats have gone dead. Or getting a run or two and then watching it disappear the next half inning with a consecutive walks setting up a big inning.

Whens the last time we came back and won a game... thats being competitive.

Making avg pitchers day in and day out in the most heated stretch look like 20 game winners is not enjoyable in my mind.

So after each blown opportunity with RISP you are at home saying "Man this is what its all about"?

Kudos to you. I however need to invest in another batch of Tums because this flat out bites...

I'm sorry the Sox couldn't go 162-0 for you and spare you a bit of suspense.

cheezheadsoxfan
09-25-2008, 02:01 PM
Ah WSI, where anything less than 100 wins is apparently choking. There are some people in this thread who make me embarrassed to be a Sox fan.

I'm with you and the poster who called this a pennant race not a choke job. I don't like to settle for less either but would you rather have mired around in 3rd all season. Then the same people would be complaining "I would have been happy if they just had made a run for it".

Personally, I think a lot of people here (not all) just are dreading the **** they are going to have to take from Cub fans.

Law11
09-25-2008, 02:02 PM
I'm sorry the Sox couldn't go 162-0 for you and spare you a bit of suspense.

I would have settled for a 5-5 road trip..

JB98
09-25-2008, 02:05 PM
I'm sorry the Sox couldn't go 162-0 for you and spare you a bit of suspense.

I don't think anyone expects that. As I mentioned before, I've lectured myself that I should be enjoying this pennant race more than I am. But it's been really difficult when I see the Sox playing so poorly each and every day.

The club is 9-12 in September. They've saved their worst ball for the most critical time. This sucks. I've barely slept at all this week. I'm basically not going to cheer up until we get a win. It's wearing on me a lot.

comet2k
09-25-2008, 02:06 PM
I just hope that all those who are so hard on the White Sox for their shortcomings judge their own performance by the same standard.

Hey, it's just baseball, and life will go on.

Law11
09-25-2008, 02:13 PM
I just hope that all those who are so hard on the White Sox for their shortcomings judge their own performance by the same standard.

Hey, it's just baseball, and life will go on.

Judging by the amount of time I spend on WSI there's no way I can ever hold myself to that same standard in my work life.

I will say I do give it my all hurling my kids stuffed animals at the TV however.:D:

Lundind1
09-25-2008, 02:16 PM
This really must be a day to day thing with Sox fans this year. I am "gillty" of this thing myself. It is 162 games spread out over 200+ days. This is really wearing me down. If they do win the division, then I am going to be pretty happy. If not, then I suppose that I am going to have a few bad days and look forward to something else and keep my eye on the hotstove for something cooking.

I try to maintain perspective when things look bad and that might be the hardest thing to do.

palehozenychicty
09-25-2008, 02:22 PM
I still think we'll get it together just in time and escape with the division.

LoveYourSuit
09-25-2008, 02:23 PM
Ah WSI, where anything less than 100 wins is apparently choking. There are some people in this thread who make me embarrassed to be a Sox fan.


You are the complete embarrasment my friend.

The South Side is starting to pick up on the lovable loser mentality of the other side of town. This is sickening.

What happened to pride in demanding the best from your team and setting high standards? That's what I thought we as Sox fans took credit for.


This team loses this thing and it becomes an epic choke in my book.

One thing is to lose the division to the '27 Yankees, but this Twins team is bad. Have you seen the patchwork that has become of their pen? Their starting rotation sucks gas too.

Unreal

Soxman219
09-25-2008, 02:26 PM
You are the complete embarrasment my friend.

The South Side is starting to pick up on the lovable loser mentality of the other side of town. This is sickening.

What happened to pride in demanding the best from your team and setting high standards? That's what I thought we as Sox fans took credit for.


This team loses this thing and it becomes an epic choke in my book.

One thing is to lose the division to the '27 Yankees, but this Twins team is bad. Have you seen the patchwork that has become of their pen? Their starting rotation sucks gas too.

Unreal

Exactly. If we lose tonight, it's a choke.

LoveYourSuit
09-25-2008, 02:28 PM
I said at the beginning of the year that CLE's pen would be a mess and if their offense struggled at all they'd be vulnerable. I also said Detroit's starting pitching/age could possibly catch up to them. If both these things happened, and the Sox got good starting pitching I thought the Sox would win the division. All three things have happened and I'd be extremely disappointed if they didn't win the division given this.


You and I never agree on anything, but you are dead on with your post here. The collapse of both the Indians and Tigers pretty much handed this division to the Sox for the taking. The Twins were never that good are not that good today.

kittle42
09-25-2008, 02:28 PM
You are the complete embarrasment my friend.

The South Side is starting to pick up on the lovable loser mentality of the other side of town. This is sickening.

What happened to pride in demanding the best from your team and setting high standards? That's what I thought we as Sox fans took credit for.


This team loses this thing and it becomes an epic choke in my book.

One thing is to lose the division to the '27 Yankees, but this Twins team is bad. Have you seen the patchwork that has become of their pen? Their starting rotation sucks gas too.

Unreal

I have to agree. You have a lead the great majority of the year, can't put it away, and then need to win 1 game - 1 - against the Twins and lay eggs in the first two. A loss tonight is choking enough - falling out of the playoffs is a huge choke.

Malgar 12
09-25-2008, 02:29 PM
Enough with this "if I would have told you on April 1st crap" If the Sox end up blowing this it's a choke job and a collapse.

Dammit, I'm so sick of you guys that pat the Sox on the back for moral victories.

WIN...THAT'S IT!!

Damn straight! The hypothetical if is no longer valid. They're in position to win the division, they need to do it.

Lundind1
09-25-2008, 02:30 PM
I still think we'll get it together just in time and escape with the division.

Until it is over for real, I still agree with this idea.

LoveYourSuit
09-25-2008, 02:30 PM
You'll blame the umps but won't hold the players accountable?

Holy moses.


Spiffie has to be Hawk Harrelson.

Hawk, is that you?

Lundind1
09-25-2008, 02:30 PM
Damn straight! The hypothetical if is no longer valid. They're in position to win the division, they need to do it.

The best teams always find a way to win, whether it is solid or by the seat of the pants.

Lundind1
09-25-2008, 02:32 PM
Exactly. If we lose tonight, it's a choke.

And what if we make it??? Are people going to spew hot molten lava that we still choked?

I agree that we need this or we are in bbbbbbbiiiiiiigggggg trouble.

Jim Shorts
09-25-2008, 02:39 PM
Spiffie has to be Hawk Harrelson.

Hawk, is that you?

Funny. Earlier in the thread I asked spiffie if they played the organ at USCF.

Red Barchetta
09-25-2008, 02:42 PM
Think of it this way. Did you, on April 1st, think that the Sox would be in this kind of race? I personally figured that we would be done, watching the Indians take it all while we basement-dwelled again with the Royals. If we don't pull through with this, are you satisfied with the season? This team has still given us over 80 wins, and we were picked by most "experts" as the 3rd or 4th place team in this division. Even if we don't make the big show, I think this season has been a success given how far we have come since September 25, 2007. My point is: lets enjoy being in such an exciting race, even if it is depressing/disappointing. I certainly didn't think we'd be this close at this time. Go Sox.

No! :angry: They look like frickin' zombies in September. We weren't expecting much in April because none of us expected Quentin, Ramirez, Floyd and Danks to play as well as they did. Now that they have, I expect them to win the division.

Your analysis above sounds like that of a Cub Fan. That's why SOX fans are different.

LoveYourSuit
09-25-2008, 02:43 PM
Funny. Earlier in the thread I asked spiffie if they played the organ at USCF.


Either that or South Paw.

Jollyroger2
09-25-2008, 03:06 PM
Enough with this "if I would have told you on April 1st crap" If the Sox end up blowing this it's a choke job and a collapse.

Dammit, I'm so sick of you guys that pat the Sox on the back for moral victories.

WIN...THAT'S IT!!

Jumping into this thread really late, but couldn't agree more with this post. Just because we were predicted to be 3rd or 4th before the season started, will make me no less extremely ticked off if we don't make the playoffs.

This team, regardless of injuries, the occasional bad umpire call, or bad bounce or bad luck, has had plenty of opportunities to put the division away time and time again. I wish I had $5 for every loss they've gotten just by playing poorly, not giving 100%, making mental errors...

If they blow it, they have nobody to blame but themselves. Hopefully it won't come to that.

BadBobbyJenks
09-25-2008, 05:57 PM
Hey you mean like losing 9-3, and then coming back and playing a game that would have been a W had the umps not sucked? Sure don't see no teams like that around here. :scratch:
The guy calling Sox fans embarrassing says we would have won had it not been for the umps. Interesting, I didn't know you could win a game where you scored the same amount of runs as the other team.

I'm with you and the poster who called this a pennant race not a choke job. I don't like to settle for less either but would you rather have mired around in 3rd all season. Then the same people would be complaining "I would have been happy if they just had made a run for it".

Personally, I think a lot of people here (not all) just are dreading the **** they are going to have to take from Cub fans.

It is a pennant race, but if we blow this lead how can it not be considered a choke? 2.5 game lead, up 3 in the loss column with 7 to play and not winning would be choking.

I am enjoying being in a pennant race, but I am not going to sit back and call it a successful season IF we blow this.

BigP50
09-25-2008, 06:03 PM
honestly, in ST I thought it would be us and the Kitties battling for the division

Frontman
09-25-2008, 06:10 PM
To me, I won't call the season a total loss. Sure, I want the Sox playing a few more weeks; but if it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen. With an injured club, Ozzie kept them in it to the last weekend. If its over, I had fun for a full season, unlike last year.

I do however, hope Kenny gets some more players, namely a third baseman and a CENTER FIELDER for crying out loud. A few more starters wouldn't hurt.

But unlike that Duke educated moron on WSCR, I don't think a season of winning baseball with meaningful games in the last week of September is a total loss.

LoveYourSuit
09-25-2008, 06:24 PM
honestly, in ST I thought it would be us and the Kitties battling for the division


I thought the same, plus you throw me the nuggets that we would have a break out year by CQ at MVP levels and a ROY candidate in Alexei plus the emergance of a 16 game winnier in Gavin and a top 10 ERA guy in Danks ................... I would have printed WS tickets in March had you told me that.

So based on that above, struggling to win this division is an epic dissapointment itself. Now losing it completely will be the Armegedon to me.

Dear God please listen to my prayers :praying:

BigP50
09-25-2008, 06:28 PM
man about an 1 1/2 til the game. Cant wait.

this might be one of the most nerve racking games I can remember watching

aside from the WS and ALCS

Frontman
09-25-2008, 06:35 PM
"But I firmly believe that any man's finest hour - his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear - is that moment when he has to work his heart out in a good cause and he's exhausted on the field of battle - victorious."

If the Sox give it their all the next four games, I will not complain.

Desert Rat
09-25-2008, 06:52 PM
Agree, just show up and play your best. Can't stand the look in their eyes when you just know they are not even there. The apparent lack of effort. The "it's just another game/series against insert team name" It's a push for a playoff spot, guys! Ride for the brand and show some some pride. You play hard and lose to a better team and I am ok with that. Don't show up and lose to a mediocre club drives me nuts. Go Sox!