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thomas35forever
09-19-2008, 04:11 PM
If the Sox someone find their way into the postseason, choose who you would bring along for the ride and rank them by how much you trust them.

1) Jenks
2) Thornton
3) Carrasco
4) Dotel
5) Richard
6) Linebrink
7) Ramirez
8) Logan

SoxGirl4Life
09-19-2008, 04:12 PM
Oh, we can't pick guys on a different team? Cuz Thornton and Bobby are gonna get awfully tired.

hi im skot
09-19-2008, 04:13 PM
1) Jenks
2) Thornton
3) Dotel
4) Carrasco
5) Richard
6) Ramirez
7) Linebrink




99) Logan

kittle42
09-19-2008, 04:14 PM
Richard should be included, as we'll not have the need for a 5th starter.

turners56
09-19-2008, 04:15 PM
Long Relief - Richard
Middle Relief - Dotel
Middle Relief - Linebrink
Middle Relief - Carrasco (can also be used in long relief)
Middle Relief - MacDougal
Setup - Thornton
Closer - Jenks

TDog
09-19-2008, 04:26 PM
The ALDS roster would involve some interesting bullpen decisions. I expect the starters to go longer in the postseason, that is, as long as they are effective. I don't expect to see them come out simply because they have thrown a lot of pitches.

Sometimes, relievers pitch better in the postseason than they did in the regular season, as Larry Sherry did in 1959 or as Francisco Rodriguez did in 2002. There also are pitchers who do their job when fans don't expect them to. There were Sox fans who didn't want to see Damaso Marte on the mound in the 2005 World Series, but he ended up the winning pitcher in Game 3.

hi im skot
09-19-2008, 04:28 PM
There were Sox fans who didn't want to see Damaso Marte on the mound in the 2005 World Series, but he ended up the winning pitcher in Game 3.

Marte was awesome when he loaded the bases in Boston.

The best thing Marte did in the 2005 postseason was jumping around in the bullpen as Konerko's grand slam cleared the fence.

Konerko05
09-19-2008, 04:35 PM
1. Jenks
2. Thornton
3. Dotel
4. Carrasco
5. Linebrink
6. Richard
7. Logan
8. Macdougal (This spot hurts bad)

white sox bill
09-19-2008, 05:09 PM
Burls
Javy
Danks
Floyd
:smile: All complete games

TDog
09-19-2008, 06:18 PM
Marte was awesome when he loaded the bases in Boston.

The best thing Marte did in the 2005 postseason was jumping around in the bullpen as Konerko's grand slam cleared the fence.

The best thing he did was not give up a run to the Astros with the score tied in a potential game-ending situation. He gave the Sox a chance to win. Jenks blew the save in Game 2, but the Sox won anyway. And Jenks went back to the mound to hold the Astros in Game 3 and save Game 4. Marte loaded the bases in Game 3 of the ALDS, but the runners didn't score thanks to his Hernandez. He came back and held the Astros when they needed holding.

In Marte's last appearance as a member of the Chicago White Sox, he picked up the win in a World Series game. You can count on one hand the number of living men who have won World Series games for the White Sox.

Marte wasn't by any means the most valuable reliever on the White Sox in the 2005 postseason, but give credit where credit is due.

scarsofthumper
09-19-2008, 06:26 PM
Ehren Wassermann

BigP50
09-19-2008, 06:27 PM
Jenks, Linebrink, Broadway, Logan, Thornton, MacDougal, Dotel, Richard

Jpgr91
09-19-2008, 06:40 PM
The starters go 8 innings then....

1) Jenks
8) Thornton

sox1970
09-19-2008, 06:43 PM
I don't want MacDougal or Logan anywhere near the Sox bullpen when the playoffs start, let alone the rest of the season.

Jenks, Dotel, Linebrink, Thornton, Carrasco, Richard...and if you're taking one more--Wassermann (and hope you don't have to use him).

No Broadway, Russell, MacDougal, Ramirez, Logan

Rdy2PlayBall
09-19-2008, 07:59 PM
99) Logan2008 Highlights:
-Had a string of 17 consecutive scoreless outings ended on June 15 vs. Colorado.

-Posted a 0.78 ERA in 25 games from April 29 to July 9

-Struck out 23 batters in 23 innings during that scoreless streak

The guy has major league stuff, it's jerks like you that put him down. :scratch:

Rdy2PlayBall
09-19-2008, 08:01 PM
Long Relief - Richard
Middle Relief - Dotel
Middle Relief - Linebrink
Middle Relief - Carrasco (can also be used in long relief)
Middle Relief - MacDougal
Setup - Thornton
Closer - JenksI like this one right here. But Carrassco might be better to replace Richard at long relief because that makes it less likely Richard goes through that big inning he always seems to go through.

sox1970
09-19-2008, 08:04 PM
2008 Highlights:
-Had a string of 17 consecutive scoreless outings ended on June 15 vs. Colorado.

-Posted a 0.78 ERA in 25 games from April 29 to July 9

-Struck out 23 batters in 23 innings during that scoreless streak

The guy has major league stuff, it's jerks like you that put him down. :scratch:

Logan sucks NOW, and that cannot be debated.

BadBobbyJenks
09-19-2008, 08:04 PM
Starter, Thornton, Jenks

Sometimes Dotel and Richard

turners56
09-19-2008, 08:05 PM
2008 Highlights:
-Had a string of 17 consecutive scoreless outings ended on June 15 vs. Colorado.

-Posted a 0.78 ERA in 25 games from April 29 to July 9

-Struck out 23 batters in 23 innings during that scoreless streak

The guy has major league stuff, it's jerks like you that put him down. :scratch:

He also has a ERA in the high 5s. He had a good streak, but has lost all of it since. You don't earn your stripes for pitching well in two months. You earn it by pitching well for six months.

Rdy2PlayBall
09-19-2008, 08:10 PM
He also has a ERA in the high 5s. He had a good streak, but has lost all of it since. You don't earn your stripes for pitching well in two months. You earn it by pitching well for six months.I know, but I also know that if he was able to do it for that long of an extended time, he can do it in the play-offs. It's to late to experiment, so forget him on the roster, but still... I don't think he is soo bad that he should be treaked like the worst player of all time. :?:

Taliesinrk
09-19-2008, 08:48 PM
at this point, I'd rather see Richard than ramirez.. not anytime.. im talking about like a set-up role. there are some guys in this pen that seriously scare me

TDog
09-19-2008, 08:49 PM
... You don't earn your stripes for pitching well in two months. You earn it by pitching well for six months.

Not that I am disagreeing with you, but sometimes players do perform better in the postseason than they do in the regular season, especially when their use is limited. Geoff Blum had one World Series at bat. Willie Harris had one World Series at bat. Scott Podsednik won a game with a home run in four World Series games with the White Sox. How often did he do that in 330 regular season games with the White Sox?

Not that players don't fail, and players you would expect to fail don't sometimes, if not often, fail. Some people questioned Chad Bradford making the ALDS roster in 2000, and Chad Bradford failed in the ALDS. But it isn't simply a matter of looking at players' stats.

soxwon
09-19-2008, 08:55 PM
Richard should be included, as we'll not have the need for a 5th starter.

ozzie said he's in the pen remainder of season, that prob means playoffs

oeo
09-19-2008, 09:59 PM
1. Jenks
2. oeo

...who else wants in?

kevingrt
09-19-2008, 10:01 PM
Marte was awesome when he loaded the bases in Boston.

The best thing Marte did in the 2005 postseason was jumping around in the bullpen as Konerko's grand slam cleared the fence.

He won a damn game. Game III WS.

DumpJerry
09-19-2008, 10:43 PM
Jenks
Politte, 2005 edition.
Cotts, 2005 edition.
El Duque, 2005 ALDS edition.

None others are needed.

Rockabilly
09-19-2008, 11:20 PM
Jenks
Thornton
Linebrink
Dotel
Richard
DJ
Macdougal

Tragg
09-19-2008, 11:56 PM
1) Jenks
2) Thornton
3) Carrasco
4)LInebrink (projecting that I will trust him)
5) Richard
6)Dotel

Hopefully that's enough. If not
7) Russell
8) Broadway
9) Logan - he actually pitched well for a couple of months
10)MacDougal (the only reason I mention him is that if we need a K - like we'll lose with a fly ball - he might be useful.
I don't know how deep we're going but I'd say Ramirez is out - has he done anything for us?

Hopefully we'll clinch on Wednesday or so and Richard will get a little pen action over the weekend to get used to it.

Lip Man 1
09-20-2008, 01:27 AM
I'm not going to rank them but my bullpen is as follows:

Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, Linebrink, Carraso, Ramirez and maybe Russell (as the long / mop up guy)

I want as many guys as possible with experience.



Lip

Brian26
09-20-2008, 09:39 AM
He won a damn game. Game III WS.

Really, Geoff Blum won the damn game in the 14th inning. Marte just happened to be on the mound because Ozzie had run through his entire bullpen before that.

oeo
09-20-2008, 10:07 AM
I'm not going to rank them but my bullpen is as follows:

Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, Linebrink, Carraso, Ramirez and maybe Russell (as the long / mop up guy)

I want as many guys as possible with experience.



Lip

I see no reason to pick Ramirez over Richard. It's not like Ramirez has a ton of experience, either.

SouthSoxFan
09-20-2008, 11:16 AM
Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, Linebrink, Carrasco are certain.

Richard has been getting enough work as 5th starter that he makes sense. Can go long relief, or do spot duty for lefty matchups.

The 7th spot is either Logan, MacDougal or Wasserman. They've been giving Mikey a good look lately. I think they want him to earn the spot. I'd go with MacDougal right now, because I think he's got better stuff than the other two.

Its possible there's room for 8 relievers, but I think that depends on Quentin. If Quentin makes it back, then they have to keep an extra outfielder for insurance (Wise), and that means only room for 11 pitchers. If we keep 12 pitchers, then Logan is in for the one hitter lefty matchup.

Russell, Ramirez, Broadway are out.

PaleHoser
09-20-2008, 11:37 AM
Really, Geoff Blum won the damn game in the 14th inning. Marte just happened to be on the mound because Ozzie had run through his entire bullpen before that.

When Marte took the mound it was the only time I got really nervous the entire 2005 postseason. That includes the bases loaded no outs situation in Game 3 of ALDS in Boston.

I'd take Broadway before Logan, MacDougal, Wasserman, Ramirez. They may have better stuff but they're also pitching scared, which you just can't do at any level.

Optipessimism
09-20-2008, 11:50 AM
Jenks, Thornton, Dotel, Linebrink, Carrasco are certain.

Richard has been getting enough work as 5th starter that he makes sense. Can go long relief, or do spot duty for lefty matchups.

The 7th spot is either Logan, MacDougal or Wasserman. They've been giving Mikey a good look lately. I think they want him to earn the spot. I'd go with MacDougal right now, because I think he's got better stuff than the other two.

Its possible there's room for 8 relievers, but I think that depends on Quentin. If Quentin makes it back, then they have to keep an extra outfielder for insurance (Wise), and that means only room for 11 pitchers. If we keep 12 pitchers, then Logan is in for the one hitter lefty matchup.

Russell, Ramirez, Broadway are out.
I almost totally agree with this assessment, but I think Logan is out and Ramirez still has a chance. When Ozzie told the press that Logan isn't man enough to pitch in the Major Leagues I think that pretty much sealed his fate for this season, and probably means he'll be gone completely over the offseason. Ramirez sucks a whole lot too, and doesn't have Logan's stuff, but he is more of a veteran so I think Ozzie may lean that direction. It's certainly a tough decision though as every one of the lefties in the picture aside from Thornton has proved beyond a shadow of doubt that they are not reliable Major League pitchers.

I hope the Sox clinch in Minny so they can use the entire Cleveland series to rest our starters, set the playoff rotation, and figure out the bullpen.

My picks:
Jenks - CL
Linebrink - RHSU
Thornton - LHSU
Dotel - righty specialist/2-3 batter guy
Richard - lefty specialist
MacDougal - MR
Carrasco - LR

The biggest uncertainty IMO is what to do with the bench. If Crede is gone, and Getz is done, and Bourgeois isn't eligible for the playoffs, an injured Josh Fields is our only back-up in the IF. All of our versatile infielders would be starting. I'd love it if the Sox could bring back Pablo Ozuna because I believe he'd be eligible for the playoff roster since he was on the team earlier this year. If they can't bring him back and put him on the playoff roster then we don't have much choice.

Bench if Quentin is back: Fields, Hall, Anderson, Wise, Swisher/Griffey depending on who starts

Bench without Quentin: Fields, Hall, Anderson, Wise/Griffey depending on who starts, and we take another pitcher

slavko
09-20-2008, 11:52 AM
I'd take Broadway before Logan, MacDougal, Wasserman, Ramirez. They may have better stuff but they're also pitching scared, which you just can't do at any level.

Good analysis, but Lance is a starter, not a bullpen guy. I like Mac's stuff. Make that I love Mac's stuff.

Lukin13
09-20-2008, 01:05 PM
ALDS

Jenks
Thornton
Dotel
Carrasco
Danks!
Linebrink
Wasserman
Richard!
MacDougal

Rockabilly
09-20-2008, 01:12 PM
ALDS

Jenks
Thornton
Dotel
Carrasco
Danks!
Linebrink
Wasserman
Richard!
MacDougal

I rather have Danks start game 3 instead of Vazquez...

Optipessimism
09-20-2008, 02:31 PM
I rather have Danks start game 3 instead of Vazquez...
I'd rather have Danks start game two.

Game 1: Floyd
Game 2: Danks
Game 3: Buehrle
Game 4 (if necessary): Floyd
Game 5 (if necessary): Danks