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delben91
09-01-2008, 01:50 PM
So one of the "neat stats" coming from the completion of the suspended game was Orioles OF Lou Montanez technically getting his first ML hit several months before acutally being called up to the major league club.

Now, my question is, would this mean Montanez's service time actually started in April, the original date of the suspended game, or did it really start when he was truly called up to Baltimore, in July?

TDog
09-01-2008, 02:29 PM
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Now, my question is, would this mean Montanez's service time actually started in April, the original date of the suspended game, or did it really start when he was truly called up to Baltimore, in July?

His service time began when he was called up. Montanez didn't get a major league hit before he was called up, he got a hit in a game that was started before he was called up.

People had fun with the statistics because it was unusual for a game suspended in a cold April rain in Chicago would be completed on a summer night in Baltimore months later. In the old days, which weren't that long ago, the game would have been made up as a tie. It amounted to the teams being forced to play a one inning game that went into extra innings. In the official record, the game has two dates -- the day it started and the day it finished.

The 25-inning game the White Sox played in 1984 began on May 8, but Harold Baines ended it with a home run on May 9. The home run is in the record books as having occurred in the May 9 completion of the May 8 suspended game (which was suspended on May 9 anyway). The White Sox won two World Series games on the same day. That's reality. They didn't start two World Series games on the same day.

People think it's cute to say Montanez got a major league hit before he was called up, but baseball records won't reflect that.

Even if baseball thinks it's cute, they aren't going to give hm time he didn't earn.

bnlfanmatt
09-01-2008, 02:55 PM
I know Baseball Reference isn't the foremost authority, but it does list the game as having completely occurred on Apr 28. Which makes Griffey's 2008 game log (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=griffke02&t=b&year=2008) as being interesting.

Also, look at Luis Montanez's 2008 game log (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=montalu01&t=b&year=2008).

TDog
09-01-2008, 03:26 PM
I know Baseball Reference isn't the foremost authority, but it does list the game as having completely occurred on Apr 28. Which makes Griffey's 2008 game log (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=griffke02&t=b&year=2008) as being interesting.

Also, look at Luis Montanez's 2008 game log (http://www.baseball-reference.com/pi/gl.cgi?n1=montalu01&t=b&year=2008).

Baseball referenceis a database. Those references are expedient to get the database to work. To look at what Griffey did the last Monday of August, you have to call up the a file for a game started in April.

Look at the official baseball records in reference to records set as part of suspended games and it notes the supsension datess. Even the Baseball Retrosheet, which is database driven but strives to be an accurate record of baseball, goes to efforts to note suspensed games with footnotes showing their completiion dates. Scroll down to May 8 in this 1984 White Sox game log (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1984/VCHA01984.htm). Or even scroll down to May 26 in this 1973 White Sox game log (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1973/VCHA01973.htm) if you're looking for a game that wasn't completed the day after it was started.

bnlfanmatt
09-01-2008, 03:38 PM
Baseball referenceis a database. Those references are expedient to get the database to work. To look at what Griffey did the last Monday of August, you have to call up the a file for a game started in April.

Look at the official baseball records in reference to records set as part of suspended games and it notes the supsension datess. Even the Baseball Retrosheet, which is database driven but strives to be an accurate record of baseball, goes to efforts to note suspensed games with footnotes showing their completiion dates. Scroll down to May 8 in this 1984 White Sox game log (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1984/VCHA01984.htm). Or even scroll down to May 26 in this 1973 White Sox game log (http://www.retrosheet.org/boxesetc/1973/VCHA01973.htm) if you're looking for a game that wasn't completed the day after it was started.

I agreed that Baseball Reference isn't official records, which is why I said it wasn't the foremost authority, I was just pointing out how it makes the two players' logs look like in retrospect.