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sullythered
08-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Broadway back up, Getz down. Per Hawk. Available right now. What does this mean for the rotation?

Frater Perdurabo
08-25-2008, 08:39 PM
Broadway back up, Getz down. Per Hawk. Available right now. What does this mean for the rotation?

Not sure it means much for the rotation, but it does add a needed bullpen arm.

Getz looked promising in his brief stint. But with Crede back with the Sox, Uribe goes to the utility role and Getz becomes superfluous.

oeo
08-25-2008, 08:41 PM
Ozzie already said we're going to a 4 man rotation, didn't he? Even if we did stick with 5, after another good start by Richard, I can't imagine him not getting the call.

Getz looked promising in his brief stint. But with Crede back with the Sox, Uribe goes to the utility role and Getz becomes superfluous.

Getz will be back next week...we need the pitcher.

Daver
08-25-2008, 08:43 PM
Ozzie already said we're going to a 4 man rotation, didn't he? Even if we did stick with 5, after another good start by Richard, I can't imagine him not getting the call.


Ozzie contradicts himself on a daily basis, and there is no way the organization was going to pitch anyone on three days rest.

delben91
08-25-2008, 08:46 PM
I thought the organization had lost all faith in Lance?

oeo
08-25-2008, 08:48 PM
Ozzie contradicts himself on a daily basis, and there is no way the organization was going to pitch anyone on three days rest.

Only Buehrle and Javy would have to go on three days rest for a couple of weeks with the off days. Then you'll need a spot starter, but Gavin and Danks can get regular rest, which is the biggest issue, IMO.

doublem23
08-25-2008, 08:52 PM
I thought the organization had lost all faith in Lance?

Only according to 1 person. Who's not affiliated with the White Sox.

Frater Perdurabo
08-25-2008, 09:24 PM
Frankly I'd like to see Richard start and Broadway relieve him on those days when a fifth starter is needed. Plan on one going 5 innings and the other one going 4 innings.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-25-2008, 09:27 PM
If they were going to bring him up, they should have had him start the suspended game, in my opinion.

Stringer
08-25-2008, 09:28 PM
Good, I'm tired of playing with extra infielders and center fielders

even though Getz was great off the bench

UofCSoxFan
08-25-2008, 09:32 PM
Ozzie contradicts himself on a daily basis, and there is no way the organization was going to pitch anyone on three days rest.

Well when the article came out saying they were going to a 4 man rotation, Ozzie said that was the plan and they would see how things go....so he left himself plenty of wiggle room.

The probablem to me with going with a 4 man rotation is you typically need a fairly strong pen to do so as your starters aren't going to be able to go quite as long in games with one fewer day's rest. I frankly rather take my chances with Richard once every 5 days if the alternative means trying to get another inning or so out of our pen on a daily basis.

soltrain21
08-25-2008, 09:35 PM
Who is our pinch runner now? Wise is out as well. Roster expansion is in a few days, I suppose.

DickAllen72
08-25-2008, 09:35 PM
Ozzie said because of the scheduled days off he would go with a four man rotation only when they can pitch on regular rest. He said they'd use a spot starter for days when they need a fifth starter in the rotation. He never said anything about pitching his four guys on short rest.

Daver
08-25-2008, 09:35 PM
Well when the article came out saying they were going to a 4 man rotation, Ozzie said that was the plan and they would see how things go....so he left himself plenty of wiggle room.

The probablem to me with going with a 4 man rotation is you typically need a fairly strong pen to do so as your starters aren't going to be able to go quite as long in games with one fewer day's rest. I frankly rather take my chances with Richard once every 5 days if the alternative means trying to get another inning or so out of our pen on a daily basis.

One of these days some team is going to wise up and use the four man rotation philosophy from the low minors on up and save some serious money being able to compete without a fifth starter, it would be very easy to do.

eastchicagosoxfan
08-25-2008, 09:42 PM
One of these days some team is going to wise up and use the four man rotation philosophy from the low minors on up and save some serious money being able to compete without a fifth starter, it would be very easy to do.
Would the closer's role have to revert back to something similiar to Rollie Fingers? Could a team afford to carry a one inning specialist who only comes in with the lead?

Brian26
08-25-2008, 09:44 PM
One of these days some team is going to wise up and use the four man rotation philosophy from the low minors on up and save some serious money being able to compete without a fifth starter, it would be very easy to do.

Aren't there grumblings that the player's union has always whined about this idea and will never let it happen?

Daver
08-25-2008, 09:50 PM
Aren't there grumblings that the player's union has always whined about this idea and will never let it happen?

The MLBPA is tired of Congressional committee's kicking their ass.

A. Cavatica
08-25-2008, 09:55 PM
Who is our pinch runner now? Wise is out as well. Roster expansion is in a few days, I suppose.

Whomever pitched yesterday.

Daver
08-25-2008, 10:02 PM
Who is our pinch runner now? Wise is out as well. Roster expansion is in a few days, I suppose.

The same guy that has been the pinch runner since Griffey was acquired would be my guess.

kitekrazy
08-25-2008, 10:19 PM
One of these days some team is going to wise up and use the four man rotation philosophy from the low minors on up and save some serious money being able to compete without a fifth starter, it would be very easy to do.

It's hard to believe that a 4 man rotation was the norm at one time. Modern day baseball has gotten so "wussified".

Daver
08-25-2008, 10:26 PM
It's hard to believe that a 4 man rotation was the norm at one time. Modern day baseball has gotten so "wussified".

I think the Mets are to blame.

jabrch
08-25-2008, 10:39 PM
Only according to 1 person. Who's not affiliated with the White Sox.

A lot of folks here drew that same conclusion last year...

Richard surely deserves the next start for the 5th man - but Lance didn't embarass himself last time out either.

Second best part about it is that, in addition to helping us win now, these guys have both boosted their trade value. I'm sure KW is preparing for his offseason and trying to guage the value these guys would have to teams with a CF available.

BigP50
08-25-2008, 11:09 PM
I perfer the 4 man rotation with more guys in the pen

btrain929
08-25-2008, 11:39 PM
Ozzie said because of the scheduled days off he would go with a four man rotation only when they can pitch on regular rest. He said they'd use a spot starter for days when they need a fifth starter in the rotation. He never said anything about pitching his four guys on short rest.

Bingo. We're not going to a four-man rotation. But, if we have a day off and our guys are rested, he'll go with 1 of the 4 regulars instead of using the 5th starter. But for those stretches where there are no days off, it'll be a 5 man rotation.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-26-2008, 06:48 AM
A lot of folks here drew that same conclusion last year...

Richard surely deserves the next start for the 5th man - but Lance didn't embarass himself last time out either.

Second best part about it is that, in addition to helping us win now, these guys have both boosted their trade value. I'm sure KW is preparing for his offseason and trying to guage the value these guys would have to teams with a CF available.

If they're going to start trading some of these younger prospects, my priorities for next year is a third baseman and second baseman, assuming Ramirez moves to SS, plus a fifth starter. And if Richard has a lot of potential as the 5th starter, I would keep him. Broadway is the guy I would try to package to get something of value in return.

Chez
08-26-2008, 09:30 AM
If they were going to bring him up, they should have had him start the suspended game, in my opinion.

They didn't make the move until the suspended game was completed.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-26-2008, 09:35 AM
They didn't make the move until the suspended game was completed.

That was the point I was trying to make. If Crede was available for the suspended game, Getz was not needed and Broadway could have been used in that game.

I understand that if Crede could not play or an infielder was hurt and had to come out, we did not have a backup if Getz was sent down, but I think it would have been worth that risk. I would rather have had a starter than Ramirez to start the suspended game, because you never know how long it would go.

Chez
08-26-2008, 09:45 AM
Gotcha. I gotta believe they wanted the flexibility of having a spare infielder/pinch runner for the suspended game.

doublem23
08-26-2008, 10:28 AM
I perfer the 4 man rotation with more guys in the pen

I can't wait to blow out John Danks' or Gavin Floyd's arm, either.