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BigP50
08-19-2008, 11:56 PM
So do we bring Broadway back up and send Clayton down. What's the deal?

SpartanSoxFan
08-20-2008, 12:10 AM
So do we bring Broadway back up and send Clayton down. What's the deal?

It seems like Ozzie, based on his postgame comments, isn't sure and wants to do a 5th starter by committee approach. We may or may not see Broadway again on the next start based on who the Sox are facing.

TDog
08-20-2008, 12:16 AM
My guess is that the White Sox, with upcoming off days, will be able to avoid using a fifth starter, at least the next time through the rotation and perhaps one after that.

Craig Grebeck
08-20-2008, 12:23 AM
I see no reason to send down Clayton. Let him pitch occasionally for the time being if we insist on using a four man rotation. Giving him quality innings this year to sharpen his skills will be very important.

doublem23
08-20-2008, 12:24 AM
The Sox have the next three Thursdays off, so can they skip the 5th starter's spot once or twice in the next three weeks without forcing someone to go on short rest?

I honestly have no desire to move to a 4-man rotation.

LoveYourSuit
08-20-2008, 12:49 AM
I see both Richard and Poreda being very effective as 1 inning bullpen guys for us. Poreda might not get a shot this year.

hawkjt
08-20-2008, 01:20 AM
be surprised if they started Richard again on Monday in one of the games vs Baltimore. Probably the first game.

SluggersAway
08-20-2008, 01:26 AM
Well, it looks like we only need a fifth starter twice more before the September call-ups.

The only thing is that, as I understand it, players must be on a team's 25-man roster as of August 31 to be eligible for post-season play. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team's 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position.

So KW and Ozzie better figure out who they want in the right place at the right time before the end of the month.

jcw218
08-20-2008, 03:42 AM
The only thing is that, as I understand it, players must be on a team's 25-man roster as of August 31 to be eligible for post-season play. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team's 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position.

The way I understand it is that any player on the active roster or the DL as of midnight on Aug 31 is eligible for post season play. If Joe Crede and Scott Linebrink are still on the dl as of Aug 31 and are activated after the rosters expand, they would still be able to be on the post season roster. there are exceptions however, which is how K-Rod of the Angels was able to be active for the post season in 2002.

Frater Perdurabo
08-20-2008, 06:01 AM
Well, it looks like we only need a fifth starter twice more before the September call-ups.

The only thing is that, as I understand it, players must be on a team's 25-man roster as of August 31 to be eligible for post-season play. The only exception is that a player on the 60-day disabled list may be replaced by another player from the team's 40-man roster (as of August 31) who plays the same position.

So KW and Ozzie better figure out who they want in the right place at the right time before the end of the month.

The way I understand it is that any player on the active roster or the DL as of midnight on Aug 31 is eligible for post season play. If Joe Crede and Scott Linebrink are still on the dl as of Aug 31 and are activated after the rosters expand, they would still be able to be on the post season roster. there are exceptions however, which is how K-Rod of the Angels was able to be active for the post season in 2002.

The Sox will only need four starters in the playoffs. That means they will be able to keep eight relievers, possibly Jenks, Linebrink, Dotel, Thornton, Carrasco, Ramirez, Broadway and Richard.

nccwsfan
08-20-2008, 07:04 AM
I see both Richard and Poreda being very effective as 1 inning bullpen guys for us. Poreda might not get a shot this year.

Don't forget he might get the September callup.

white sox bill
08-20-2008, 08:35 AM
If the rest of the league follows our que,(can't hit first time around pitchers) we should have it made in the 5th spot until October

Jim Shorts
08-20-2008, 08:57 AM
What's everyone's thoughts on Rameriez out of the pen? Does he have good stuff?

Haven't seen enough of him to draw my own conclusions.

voodoochile
08-20-2008, 09:35 AM
My guess is that the White Sox, with upcoming off days, will be able to avoid using a fifth starter, at least the next time through the rotation and perhaps one after that.

They need one Tuesday for sure. With a potential inning eating situation on Monday I wouldn't be surprised to see Richard left on the roster through Monday and if he gets used to have him immediately sent down and Broadway recalled for Tuesday's game. I think Broadaway might even be traveling with the team just in case.

voodoochile
08-20-2008, 09:37 AM
The way I understand it is that any player on the active roster or the DL as of midnight on Aug 31 is eligible for post season play. If Joe Crede and Scott Linebrink are still on the dl as of Aug 31 and are activated after the rosters expand, they would still be able to be on the post season roster. there are exceptions however, which is how K-Rod of the Angels was able to be active for the post season in 2002.

That is correct and the Sox could even make roster adjustments between series based on a player becoming healthy enough to be activated if they so choose.

Iwritecode
08-20-2008, 09:48 AM
The Sox have the next three Thursdays off, so can they skip the 5th starter's spot once or twice in the next three weeks without forcing someone to go on short rest?

No. Especially with them having to finish that suspended game on the 25th.

Aug 19 - Richard
Aug 20 - Floyd
Aug 21 - off day
Aug 22 - Danks
Aug 23 - Vasquez
Aug 24 - Burly
Aug 25 - Floyd?/Richard?/Broadway?
Aug 26 - ???

If Gavin pitches on normal rest on the 25, Danks would have to go on short rest on the 26th or they'd have to use somebody else.

doublem23
08-20-2008, 10:07 AM
No. Especially with them having to finish that suspended game on the 25th.


It's not like they have to burn 2 starters for that day, though.

I'm not saying they can go to a straight 4-man rotation and keep everybody on full rest, but I bet they could go through the rotation the next 3-4 times (which gets you to the 1st or 2nd week of September) and only have to use the 5th spot twice.

Iwritecode
08-20-2008, 11:38 AM
It's not like they have to burn 2 starters for that day, though.

I'm not saying they can go to a straight 4-man rotation and keep everybody on full rest, but I bet they could go through the rotation the next 3-4 times (which gets you to the 1st or 2nd week of September) and only have to use the 5th spot twice.

If I'm looking at this right, they can do the same thing without ever skipping the fifth starter's spot. Either way, they'll need a fifth starter twice between now and Sept 5. Really, they aren't even skipping the spot. They are just pushing it back a day or two.

Skipping the #5 spot

20 - #1
21 - OFF
22 - #2
23 - #3
24 - #4
25 - #1
26 - #5
27 - #2
28 - OFF
29 - #3
30 - #4
31 - #1
1 - #2
2 - #5
3 - #3
4 - OFF
5 - #4

Not Skipping the #5 spot

20 - #1
21 - OFF
22 - #2
23 - #3
24 - #4
25 - #5
26 - #1
27 - #2
28 - OFF
29 - #3
30 - #4
31 - #5
1 - #1
2 - #2
3 - #3
4 - OFF
5 - #4

:shrug:

sox1970
08-20-2008, 11:41 AM
I think skipping the 5th spot right now is a little overrated. They just need to set up the rotation the way they want it the last week of the season, and work backwards.

Jrbear98
08-20-2008, 11:46 AM
Now I know Richard Pitched well yesterday and got the win, However i cannot understand why he got the call over Lance Broadway. Going into yesterdays game against seattle Richard was 0-2 with an awful ERA. To me he looks like more of a left handed specialists. Now Broadway was 2-0 with a much lower ERA lifetime in the majors. Dont know what the though process was with going with Richard over Broadway. Broadway pitch a great game last year against the royals and got the win thats why i was refering to him as 2-0. Yes it work out yesterday with Richard but i am much more comfortable with Broadway and think he shoud start.

Irishsoxfan
08-20-2008, 11:50 AM
Now I know Richard Pitched well yesterday and got the win, However i cannot understand why he got the call over Lance Broadway. Going into yesterdays game against seattle Richard was 0-2 with an awful ERA. To me he looks like more of a left handed specialists. Now Broadway was 2-0 with a much lower ERA lifetime in the majors. Dont know what the though process was with going with Richard over Broadway. Broadway pitch a great game last year against the royals and got the win thats why i was refering to him as 2-0. Yes it work out yesterday with Richard but i am much more comfortable with Broadway and think he shoud start.
As referred to in other threads, Broadway was not available as he has to wait 10 days in the minors. The reason he was down in the minors is discussed at length in the other threads also.

russ99
08-20-2008, 11:54 AM
I think skipping the 5th spot right now is a little overrated. They just need to set up the rotation the way they want it the last week of the season, and work backwards.

Very good idea. But one other thing to consider, it would be a lot better for them if Richard or Broadway were to start vs. the Orioles than in Boston.

Jrbear98
08-20-2008, 11:56 AM
thanks didnt see the other threads

Irishsoxfan
08-20-2008, 01:56 PM
thanks didnt see the other threads

Not a problem and BTW, welcome to WSI.

getonbckthr
08-20-2008, 02:06 PM
I think the Sox should DL Richard with " SHoulder tightness." That way we can bring Broadway up (injury allows him up sooner). With Richard on the DL and Broadway on the roster they would both be playoff eligible.

ajismyhero
08-20-2008, 02:32 PM
No. Especially with them having to finish that suspended game on the 25th.

Aug 19 - Richard
Aug 20 - Floyd
Aug 21 - off day
Aug 22 - Danks
Aug 23 - Vasquez
Aug 24 - Burly
Aug 25 - Floyd?/Richard?/Broadway?
Aug 26 - ???

If Gavin pitches on normal rest on the 25, Danks would have to go on short rest on the 26th or they'd have to use somebody else.

Ozzie said in an interview that since we have the next couple of Thursday's off we can go to a 4 man without anyone pitching on short rest - which is what DoubleM suggested. While I haven't sat down with a calender to check this out, I trust that Ozzie has.

Iwritecode
08-20-2008, 02:50 PM
Ozzie said in an interview that since we have the next couple of Thursday's off we can go to a 4 man without anyone pitching on short rest - which is what DoubleM suggested. While I haven't sat down with a calender to check this out, I trust that Ozzie has.

It's mathmatically impossible to have a 4-man rotation and not have somebody pitch on short rest when you have 5+ games in a row with no off days. The Sox have 6 in a row between 8/22 and 8/27. Then again from 8/29 to 9/3.

Somebody has to pitch that 5th day OR somebody has pitch on 3 days rest.

CashMan
08-20-2008, 03:18 PM
I think the Sox should DL Richard with " SHoulder tightness." That way we can bring Broadway up (injury allows him up sooner). With Richard on the DL and Broadway on the roster they would both be playoff eligible.


Are you really that excited about 2 AAA players on your playoff roster? I know I am!

Craig Grebeck
08-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Are you really that excited about 2 AAA players on your playoff roster? I know I am!
At some point players must make the transition from AAA to MLB. Worthless post.

CashMan
08-20-2008, 07:23 PM
At some point players must make the transition from AAA to MLB. Worthless post.

I know......Ell Ohh Ell, I can't tell ya how excited I would be with a pitcher in Richard who had an ERA in the 9s the other day, on the playoff roster. Worthless post IMO.

Craig Grebeck
08-20-2008, 07:47 PM
I know......Ell Ohh Ell, I can't tell ya how excited I would be with a pitcher in Richard who had an ERA in the 9s the other day, on the playoff roster. Worthless post IMO.
That's ridiculous. Not every roster is overrun with guys who succeed in their first stints in MLB. Your post made it seem as though anyone brought from AAA onto the roster serves no purpose -- making it a worthless contribution.

CashMan
08-20-2008, 08:01 PM
That's ridiculous. Not every roster is overrun with guys who succeed in their first stints in MLB. Your post made it seem as though anyone brought from AAA onto the roster serves no purpose -- making it a worthless contribution.


What I said was, why are you sooo jazzed about some AAA pitcher being on the playoff roster? You would go with 4 starters anyway, so the only way he will pitch is LONNNNNNNG relief. Which I am not too worried if it is Richard or Broadway or Carasco doing that.

kitekrazy
08-20-2008, 10:30 PM
I see no reason to send down Clayton. Let him pitch occasionally for the time being if we insist on using a four man rotation. Giving him quality innings this year to sharpen his skills will be very important.

Especially after putting him in a position to have some success.