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Carolina Kenny
08-13-2008, 12:42 PM
With the addition of Griffey it reminds me of several "great and famous" players brought in who were past their primes and were busts for the Sox.

A couple come to mind, I'm sure their are several more:

Ken Boyer
Rocky Colovito
Don Kessinger
Ron Santo
Roberto Alomar

Juice16
08-13-2008, 12:45 PM
Dave Steib
Doug Drabek
Steve Carlton
George Foster

areilly
08-13-2008, 12:50 PM
Sandy Alomar, Jr.
Dave Righetti

Carolina Kenny
08-13-2008, 12:51 PM
Dave Steib
Doug Drabek
Steve Carlton
George Foster

Wow, good catch with Foster. I completely missed the George Foster era.

eriqjaffe
08-13-2008, 12:57 PM
Wow, good catch with Foster. I completely missed the George Foster era.Wasn't "an era" as much as it was "a few weeks".

whitesox901
08-13-2008, 01:00 PM
Bobby Bonds? not sure though

seventyseven
08-13-2008, 01:03 PM
Ruben Sierra
Jose Canseco

Max Power
08-13-2008, 01:13 PM
Ron Santo. Maybe great and maybe famous, but definitely past his prime.

Harry Potter
08-13-2008, 01:16 PM
Ken Hill

salty99
08-13-2008, 01:17 PM
Todd Ritchie

eriqjaffe
08-13-2008, 01:20 PM
Ron Santo. Maybe great and maybe famous, but definitely past his prime.Every once in a while, I remember that long-time Cub Phil Cavaretta also ended his career on the South Side.

Rocky Soprano
08-13-2008, 01:21 PM
Paul Konerko
:D:

MetroPD
08-13-2008, 01:24 PM
George Bell

spawn
08-13-2008, 01:28 PM
Tom Seaver. He did pitch well though.

Orta 4-6-3
08-13-2008, 01:30 PM
Sparky Lyle
George Bell (although he did have one decent season)
Steve Sax
Darren Lewis

Chez
08-13-2008, 01:33 PM
Cleon Jones
Deron Johnson
Jerry Ruess
Ricky Horton

Rockabilly
08-13-2008, 01:33 PM
Minnie Minoso in the mid 60's, plus a few games in the 70's and 80's

guillen4life13
08-13-2008, 01:37 PM
Ruben Sierra
Jose Canseco

Ruben Sierra experienced a mini renaissance after he left the Sox.

And TBQH, Canseco was pretty damn good in 2001. You project his stats over a 500 AB season and he'd have been sitting with about 100 RBI and 32 homers. That's not bad at all...

For all the crap Canseco has done, he was a nice guy when I met him and was always out by the dugout signing autographs pregame. Always nice to kids. And in '01 he hit the crap out of the ball. We know he was juiced now, but at the time he actually helped the Sox get a boost and some hope against the Indians.

balke
08-13-2008, 01:39 PM
John friggin Kruk

Chez
08-13-2008, 01:52 PM
Scott Sanderson
Jim Abbott
Harold Baines (part 3)
Tony Pena

This is going to be a long thread!

SOXPHILE
08-13-2008, 01:55 PM
Danny Tartabull

AnkleSox
08-13-2008, 02:00 PM
He may have been young, but Billy Koch was quite past his prime years when he played for the Sox.

Mike Jackson
Jeff Nelson

Although a lot of teams take their chances with aging relievers, so those 2 might not be too unique of a scenario for the Sox.

TDog
08-13-2008, 02:08 PM
Bo Jackson came to the Sox after his hip replacement. He was definitely past his prime.

Al Simmons hit more than 30 home runs in three of the four seasons he played before coming to the White Sox. The White Sox moved home plate up to make the fences closer, and he averaged 16 homers a year in his three seasons with the Sox, never hitting more than 18.

Don Larsen was never a big winner. He was a 21-game loser for the inaugural Baltimore Orioles. But his prime was on an October day in 1956, if only for one autumn afternoon.

Herb Score looked like he was going to be a great pitcher for the Indians before the was hit in the head with a line drive. Naturally, he ended up with the White Sox.

Claude Osteen was a pretty good southpaw for hte Dodgers in the 1960s and early 1970s. The White Sox signed him shortly after he was rleased by the Cardinals on the eve of the 1975 season. He had 189 career wins and wanted to get to 200. Unfortunately, he went 7-16 for the White Sox in 37 starts and was released on the eve of the 1976 season.

Both Tom Seaver and Jerry Koosman, of course, were better pitchers who were past their prime when they pithced for the Sox and contributed more to the Sox when they were in Chicago.

Go though the all-time White Sox player list in the media guide, and you will see a lot of past-their-prime Sox. I saw John Kruk come up with the Padres, and I would definitely put hom on the list.

About Bobby Bonds: The Sox traded Brian Downing, Chris Knapp and Dave Frost to the Angels for Bobby Bonds, Thad Bosley and Rich Dotson before the 1978 season. Bonds hit 31 home runs in 1978. He hit 29 of them after the Sox traded Bonds to the Rangers for Claudell Washington and Rusty Torres.

1917
08-13-2008, 02:11 PM
Corey Snyder

1917
08-13-2008, 02:13 PM
Danny Tartabull

He did K a lot, but he hit 27 hrs and 101 RBI's.

stl_sox_fan
08-13-2008, 02:18 PM
John friggin Kruk

Ha! He chose The Sizzler over the Sox.

champagne030
08-13-2008, 02:19 PM
Chris Sabo

Rockabilly
08-13-2008, 02:33 PM
Moose Skowron..

I believe(without looking at his stats) he had one good season with us than pretty much fell apart

pythons007
08-13-2008, 02:39 PM
Steve Sax

LITTLE NELL
08-13-2008, 02:44 PM
Herb Score, he wasnt that old when we got him from the Indians in 1960 but he was never the same pitcher after he got hit in the head from a line drive off the bat of Gil McDougald in 1957.

Carolina Kenny
08-13-2008, 03:10 PM
I just remembered another one.

Steve Kemp I think we got him for Chet Lemon (we lost big time that trade ).

Carolina Kenny
08-13-2008, 03:12 PM
Bo Jackson came to the Sox after his hip replacement. He was definitely past his prime.

Al Simmons hit more than 30 home runs in three of the four seasons he played before coming to the White Sox. The White Sox moved home plate up to make the fences closer, and he averaged 16 homers a year in his three seasons with the Sox, never hitting more than 18.

Don Larsen was never a big winner. He was a 21-game loser for the inaugural Baltimore Orioles. But his prime was on an October day in 1956, if only for one autumn afternoon.

Herb Score looked like he was going to be a great pitcher for the Indians before the was hit in the head with a line drive. Naturally, he ended up with the White Sox.

Claude Osteen was a pretty good southpaw for hte Dodgers in the 1960s and early 1970s. The White Sox signed him shortly after he was rleased by the Cardinals on the eve of the 1975 season. He had 189 career wins and wanted to get to 200. Unfortunately, he went 7-16 for the White Sox in 37 starts and was released on the eve of the 1976 season.

Both Tom Seaver and Jerry Koosman, of course, were better pitchers who were past their prime when they pithced for the Sox and contributed more to the Sox when they were in Chicago.

Go though the all-time White Sox player list in the media guide, and you will see a lot of past-their-prime Sox. I saw John Kruk come up with the Padres, and I would definitely put hom on the list.

About Bobby Bonds: The Sox traded Brian Downing, Chris Knapp and Dave Frost to the Angels for Bobby Bonds, Thad Bosley and Rich Dotson before the 1978 season. Bonds hit 31 home runs in 1978. He hit 29 of them after the Sox traded Bonds to the Rangers for Claudell Washington and Rusty Torres.

A great and detailed post. I do disagree with putting Al Simmons on that list though. Even with the fences moved in, Old Comiskey with that huge CF was a tough place to hit HR's. I think Old Bucketfoot had pretty decent numbers with the Sox and played good defense too.

Chez
08-13-2008, 03:31 PM
I just remembered another one.

Steve Kemp I think we got him for Chet Lemon (we lost big time that trade ).

Kemp had a great year for us. His career spiraled downward after he left via free agency.

It's Dankerific
08-13-2008, 04:12 PM
Ruben Sierra experienced a mini renaissance after he left the Sox.

And TBQH, Canseco was pretty damn good in 2001. You project his stats over a 500 AB season and he'd have been sitting with about 100 RBI and 32 homers. That's not bad at all...

For all the crap Canseco has done, he was a nice guy when I met him and was always out by the dugout signing autographs pregame. Always nice to kids. And in '01 he hit the crap out of the ball. We know he was juiced now, but at the time he actually helped the Sox get a boost and some hope against the Indians.

Canseco plays poker regularly here in LA. Always a nice guy, FWIW

Jason82807
08-13-2008, 04:19 PM
Ruben Sierra
Jose Canseco

I don't think Canseco was a bust considering we were paying him the league minimum wage.

credefan19
08-13-2008, 04:30 PM
Wasn't "an era" as much as it was "a few weeks".
lol

Vienna
08-13-2008, 05:38 PM
Tom Seaver. He did pitch well though.

Cryin' Tommy Seaver. Good call. Back when Drysdale and Hawk were calling the games.

Brian26
08-13-2008, 06:29 PM
I just remembered another one.

Steve Kemp I think we got him for Chet Lemon (we lost big time that trade ).

Actually, the Sox ended up doing ok.

Since Kemp had such a good year with the Sox in 1982, the rules back then offered the Sox a compensation pick after Kemp signed as a free agent with the Yankees after the season. That was when Roland Hemond threatened to pick Fergie Jenkins off the unprotected Cubs 40-man roster, and he ended up agreeing not to do that in exchange for a pretty lop-sided trade in favor of the Sox.

TommyJohn
08-13-2008, 07:16 PM
A lot of ground was covered, so I'll toss out a few old-timers:

Roger Peckinpaugh
Red Ruffing
Rudy York

Also, John Romano in the 60s

Del Ennis was a star with the Phillies, but was done by the time Bill Veeck acquired him in 1959

ChiSox Charlie
08-13-2008, 10:02 PM
Here's a few more:

Leon Wagner
Gary Bell (we traded Bob Locker who still had a few good years left in him)
Phil Regan (another washed up Cub)
Blue Moon Odom
Jim Kern (It was ugly watching him blow out his arm)
Robbie Alomar (TWICE!!!)

SOX LA Mikey
08-13-2008, 10:06 PM
what about the Original OG ...Oscar Gamble, the second tour of duty

LongLiveFisk
08-13-2008, 10:06 PM
Danny Tartabull

Wow, forgot about that one. (Yet I remembered George Foster. Go figure! :scratch:)

tacosalbarojas
08-13-2008, 10:11 PM
Here's a few more:

Leon Wagner
Gary Bell (we traded Bob Locker who still had a few good years left in him)
Phil Regan (another washed up Cub)
Blue Moon Odom
Jim Kern (It was ugly watching him blow out his arm)
Robbie Alomar (TWICE!!!)The Bell/Locker deal is detailed pretty well in "Ball Four". Bell was Bouton's roommate at the time of the deal.

JB98
08-13-2008, 10:34 PM
Sparky Lyle
George Bell (although he did have one decent season)
Steve Sax
Darren Lewis

Did Darren Lewis ever have a prime?

Tragg
08-13-2008, 10:44 PM
What about the gruesome twosome:
Santo and Kessinger


Ralph Garr

TomBradley72
08-13-2008, 10:57 PM
Tim Belcher
Ken Hill
Ken Boyer
Moe Drabowsky
Phil Regan
Cecil Upshaw
Rich Coggins
Clay Carroll
Warren Brusstar
Lynn McGlothen

Hank Allen

slavko
08-13-2008, 11:22 PM
Every once in a while, I remember that long-time Cub Phil Cavaretta also ended his career on the South Side.

God, you're old! Poor Phil made the mistake of telling Mr. Wrigley that the team he was managing sucked and was banished. Not that they didn't suck or anything.

slavko
08-13-2008, 11:26 PM
What about the gruesome twosome:
Santo and Kessinger


Ralph Garr

I'll disagree with you on Kessinger, "Secretary of Defense" on the Hitmen, because he was the only one who could field a baseball. Santo and he were here at different times, weren't they?

PKalltheway
08-14-2008, 02:01 AM
Scott Sullivan?:dunno:

Lillian
08-14-2008, 07:53 AM
Larry Doby
Steve Carlton

Lillian
08-14-2008, 07:57 AM
I just found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_White_Sox_all-time_roster

It should save you all a lot of time, if you're really interested in knowing which aging stars had a "cup of coffee" with the Sox, at the end of their careers.

Carolina Kenny
08-14-2008, 09:15 AM
A lot of ground was covered, so I'll toss out a few old-timers:

Roger Peckinpaugh
Red Ruffing
Rudy York

Also, John Romano in the 60s

Del Ennis was a star with the Phillies, but was done by the time Bill Veeck acquired him in 1959

John "Honey" Romano was decent with the Sox. Averaged 18 HR's per season in the three seasons he was here. Not too shabby in old comiskey park. I can't remember if he could throw worth a dang though.

Carolina Kenny
08-14-2008, 09:17 AM
I just found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_White_Sox_all-time_roster

It should save you all a lot of time, if you're really interested in knowing which aging stars had a "cup of coffee" with the Sox, at the end of their careers.

Thanks for the link.

Now I remember Johnny Callison.

soxinem1
08-14-2008, 10:02 AM
Dave Steib
Doug Drabek
Steve Carlton
George Foster

Lefty actually pitched well for the White Sox. True, he was way over the hill, but for the most part, other than his debut, he did a good job.

The other three, that's a different story.

Biggest busts I can think of among stars or solid players who totally sucked in a White Sox uniform:

Ron Santo
Bobby Bonds
Rocky Colavito
Jim Kern
Claudell Washington
Claude Osteen
Roy Smalley
Phil Bradley
Don Kessenger
Ron LeFlore

Jaime Navarro was never a star, but I think he was without doubt the biggest (in size too) waste (and waist) of money period.

I could probably come up with more, but further bad memories should be laid to rest.

ike from nj
08-14-2008, 11:59 AM
A lot of ground was covered, so I'll toss out a few old-timers:

Roger Peckinpaugh
Red Ruffing
Rudy York

Also, John Romano in the 60s

Del Ennis was a star with the Phillies, but was done by the time Bill Veeck acquired him in 1959
actually john romano broke in with the sox

WisSoxFan
08-14-2008, 12:12 PM
I just found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_White_Sox_all-time_roster

It should save you all a lot of time, if you're really interested in knowing which aging stars had a "cup of coffee" with the Sox, at the end of their careers.

XXX

Looking at the list of all-time Sox players reminded me that my wife's great uncle (Doug Adams) had a cup of coffee at the end of '69 with the Sox. I'll be seeing him this weekend. I've chatted with him about his "career" once or twice. I even got the box score from his MLB debut from rotoworld and gave it to him. He didn't have anything from the papers for his debut. He was very appreciative. It was pretty neat. His career basically ended the next spring when he broke his elbow.

TommyJohn
08-14-2008, 12:15 PM
actually john romano broke in with the sox

Yes, and they traded him to the Indians, then reaquired him in 1965. By that time his best years were behind him. So it was his second tenure with the Sox that I was referencing.

Paulwny
08-14-2008, 12:42 PM
'59 pennant drive
Ted Kluzewski
Billy Goodman
Ray Boone
Don Mueller

BeeBeeRichard
08-14-2008, 01:10 PM
Atlee Hammaker
Vern Stephens
Leon Wagner
Tony Pena