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Heffalump
08-10-2008, 11:41 AM
Per the Trib:

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/08/sox-call-up-bro.html

turners56
08-10-2008, 11:46 AM
Anything's better than Logan right now...

viagracat
08-10-2008, 11:52 AM
Anything's better than Logan right now...

It got to the point with Logan that I cringed whenever he got the call. Last night he really pissed me off. Hope Broadway is the answer.

oeo
08-10-2008, 11:52 AM
I still wonder if Broadway will be starting, or put in the long relief role. Ozzie seemed quite impressed with Carrasco.

If he's starting, hopefully he can just eat up some innings and keep us in the ballgame. If he's better than Richard, then I'll take it.

turners56
08-10-2008, 11:53 AM
I still wonder if Broadway will be starting, or put in the long relief role. Ozzie seemed quite impressed with Carrasco.

If he's starting, hopefully he can just eat up some innings and keep us in the ballgame. If he's better than Richard, then I'll take it.

I'd say relief. Work him in slowly. Get some mop up situations first.

We worked Russell in slowly and he did pretty well for a couple of weeks until he ran into Texas.

southsideirish71
08-10-2008, 11:55 AM
They are hitting near 300 against Broadway, and he has a penchant for giving up the homer. Bringing him up is a bad idea. I would rather see Poreda because at least he has a plus pitch and it has sink on it. Bringing up Broadway, is Felix Diaz II.

turners56
08-10-2008, 11:56 AM
They are hitting near 300 against Broadway, and he has a penchant for giving up the homer. Bringing him up is a bad idea. I would rather see Poreda because at least he has a plus pitch and it has sink on it. Bringing up Broadway, is Felix Diaz II.

Clayton Richard's stats were more like Diaz's.

turners56
08-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Let's not forget guys, Broadway was 8-9 in AAA last season with a 4.65 ERA until his call up. He's never been a good minor league pitcher.

Yet, he did have a productive 10 innings of work up in the Majors.

KyWhiSoxFan
08-10-2008, 12:02 PM
I'd use Broadway in long relief to start, with Carrasco as the 5th starter.

Vernam
08-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Per the Trib:

http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports_hardball/2008/08/sox-call-up-bro.html:hijacked: Anyone but me surprised to see Griffey sitting out for the second straight day?

Vernam

viagracat
08-10-2008, 12:06 PM
I'd use Broadway in long relief to start, with Carrasco as the 5th starter.

Carrasco has the right attitude; he wants the ball. He looked OK last night filling in for Contreras. I say give him a shot.

southsideirish71
08-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Let's not forget guys, Broadway was 8-9 in AAA last season with a 4.65 ERA until his call up. He's never been a good minor league pitcher.

Yet, he did have a productive 10 innings of work up in the Majors.

The bulk of which was a start against the free swinging KC Royals in september of last year. Sure that translates to a pennant race against good teams.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2008, 12:09 PM
I just heard that Paul Byrd has cleared waivers. He's been pretty good lately. Might be a thought.

TomBradley72
08-10-2008, 12:09 PM
Looks like Carrasco take the Contreras slot, Ramirez takes Logan's slot...Russell takes Carrasco's slot and Broadway is now our long relief guy. Masset wasn't doing a great job...but with our paper thin pitching...I'd rather have him right now than our 17th aging/DH guy.

WhiteSoxBlog
08-10-2008, 12:10 PM
:hijacked: Anyone but me surprised to see Griffey sitting out for the second straight day?

Vernam
He's been having "general soreness" Is that another word for 'low productivity'? perhaps.

soxinem1
08-10-2008, 12:10 PM
Carrasco has the right attitude; he wants the ball. He looked OK last night filling in for Contreras. I say give him a shot.

He looks good when he pitches multiple innings, but his track record strongly suggests he does not have the stuff or stamina to be a starter.

I'd leave him as he is and put Broadway in the rotation. Now's as good as a time as any to see if he has what it takes to pitch in the big leagues.

oeo
08-10-2008, 12:12 PM
The bulk of which was a start against the free swinging KC Royals in september of last year. Sure that translates to a pennant race against good teams.

You have no idea how he responds. I saw a guy with stones last year, and if he brings that same thing this year, then we could see a fairly successful pitcher over the rest of the year. Remember...it's only for a limited time. It's not like we threw the guy into the rotation at the beginning of the year. It's very possible that we get lucky in such a short amount of time.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 12:13 PM
I just heard that Paul Byrd has cleared waivers. He's been pretty good lately. Might be a thought.

Cleared AL and NL and no team claimed him? Where did you see this?

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2008, 12:13 PM
Cleared AL and NL and no team claimed him? Where did you see this?


Buster Onley, ESPN.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

Halfway down the page. Oh, I think you have to have a subscription or something. Here's part of the blurb:

COPYRIGHTED TEXT

Mods, sorry if this is too much for the copyright thing. Yes it is, please read the "Things Every Poster Should Know thread." No copying and pasting at all allowed.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 12:15 PM
If that's the case I don't understand why 1st the yankmes didn't claim him and then why the Sox didn't.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 12:21 PM
Buster Onley, ESPN.

http://insider.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=olney_buster

Halfway down the page. Oh, I think you have to have a subscription or something. Here's part of the blurb:

COPYRIGHTED TEXT

Mods, sorry if this is too much for the copyright thing. Yes it is, please read the "Things Every Poster Should Know thread." No copying and pasting at all allowed.


I would love to see the Sox get Byrd, thanks for giving me some hope this Sunday morn.

2906
08-10-2008, 12:21 PM
Broadway will likely start Thursday vs. KC unless a deal is made in the interim. Sun Times says Williams is going after Washburn.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2008, 12:23 PM
Broadway will likely start Thursday vs. KC unless a deal is made in the interim. Sun Times says Williams is going after Washburn.


I heard on the Score that Carrasco is the leading candidate for Thursday.

oeo
08-10-2008, 12:26 PM
If that's the case I don't understand why 1st the yankmes didn't claim him and then why the Sox didn't.

Well, Contreras was coming back...

2906
08-10-2008, 12:30 PM
I heard on the Score that Carrasco is the leading candidate for Thursday.

Yeah, scratch that. :tongue:

Carrasco to start Thursday and Broadway would be the long man I suppose. Wow they are short in the bullpen right now. Russell went 3 innings, Carrasco is unavailable for today too.

turners56
08-10-2008, 12:31 PM
I would love to see the Sox get Byrd, thanks for giving me some hope this Sunday morn.

He'll bring his stashes of porn with him.

SoxGirl4Life
08-10-2008, 12:33 PM
I would love to see the Sox get Byrd, thanks for giving me some hope this Sunday morn.


Sure. I would just be concerned that we don't have what they want back for the trade.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 12:36 PM
Well, Contreras was coming back...

That would have held water if it was June or if the pitching was pitching lights out. But not with a staff that has been in disarray since the break and with the Twins getting healthy. When a team has an opportunity as the Sox do in August and are drawing very well, you make moves like this. Give up a "prospect" and cut open the mattress and use that rainy day money.

southsideirish71
08-10-2008, 12:45 PM
Hopefully when Broadway is in the pen, they use him as a ROOGY because when he faces lefties bad things happen.

He has given up 17 homers in only 74 innings to lefties. Lefties are hitting .317 against him.

kba
08-10-2008, 12:47 PM
If that's the case I don't understand why 1st the yankmes didn't claim him and then why the Sox didn't.

Paradoxically, if a player you're interested in shows up on the waiver wire, sometimes it's better NOT to claim him. If you claim him, you have only 48 hours to work out a trade with the other team. If you can't work it out in that amount of time, the waiver expires and his team can't put him back on revocable waivers for the rest of the season.

On the other hand, if you DON'T claim him - and take a chance that nobody else claims him either - then he's "cleared waivers" and is available for trade to any team for the rest of the season.

Almost always, when teams put a guy on waivers, they're hoping nobody claims him so they can start listening to trade offers. If a player IS claimed, his team often pulls him back off of waivers because they don't want to be locked into dealing with only one suitor. There are exceptions (like the recent Chad Bradford deal, apparently), but few trades result from waiver claims.

southsideirish71
08-10-2008, 12:49 PM
You have no idea how he responds. I saw a guy with stones last year, and if he brings that same thing this year, then we could see a fairly successful pitcher over the rest of the year. Remember...it's only for a limited time. It's not like we threw the guy into the rotation at the beginning of the year. It's very possible that we get lucky in such a short amount of time.

10 innings, with the bulk of it against the Royals and you claim you saw a guy with stones. There are a lot of guys who look good against the Royals. On that mark, Wasserman should be lights out this year because he showed us his stones last year. Broadway sucked this year, has a problem keeping the ball in the ballpark. But you think for 10 innings last year that he might be lightning in a bottle. Come on now.

TDog
08-10-2008, 01:13 PM
He's been having "general soreness" Is that another word for 'low productivity'? perhaps.

It is possible low productivity is the result of general soreness. The Sox basically gave up ineffective relief pitching for Griffey, whose debut was solid for the Sox, but who hasn't done anything positive since while playing hard. With Thome, who missed time last year with soreness after playing defense, the Sox don't have need for Griffey at DH.

If Carrasco starts, it is likely Broadway will be needed in long relief, or vice versa. I don't see Carrasco going six effective innings.

I'm gong to see the Sox play in Oakland next Friday night. I'm happy I'll be missing whoever the Sox have going as their fifth starter.

oeo
08-10-2008, 01:14 PM
That would have held water if it was June or if the pitching was pitching lights out. But not with a staff that has been in disarray since the break and with the Twins getting healthy. When a team has an opportunity as the Sox do in August and are drawing very well, you make moves like this. Give up a "prospect" and cut open the mattress and use that rainy day money.

Not when it looked like the Sox were 'getting healthy,' as well.

oeo
08-10-2008, 01:15 PM
10 innings, with the bulk of it against the Royals and you claim you saw a guy with stones. There are a lot of guys who look good against the Royals. On that mark, Wasserman should be lights out this year because he showed us his stones last year. Broadway sucked this year, has a problem keeping the ball in the ballpark. But you think for 10 innings last year that he might be lightning in a bottle. Come on now.

It's called hope, try it sometime.

I'm not expecting a whole lot from Broadway, and I'd expect the same thing from Poreda at this point in time. We just have to hope that we do catch lightning in a bottle.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 01:21 PM
Not when it looked like the Sox were 'getting healthy,' as well.


Thats what they told us but I think they knew differently.

southsideirish71
08-10-2008, 01:23 PM
It's called hope, try it sometime.

I'm not expecting a whole lot from Broadway, and I'd expect the same thing from Poreda at this point in time. We just have to hope that we do catch lightning in a bottle.

I have hope. However reality and logic keep creeping into imagination-land and tell me that 10 innings with the majority against the Royals in september of last year equal him being a good starter this year. Lightning in a bottle usually requires some physical skill such as a good control, good fastball, plus secondary pitch. None of these are possessed by Broadway.

Frankie5Angels
08-10-2008, 01:24 PM
They are hitting near 300 against Broadway, and he has a penchant for giving up the homer. Bringing him up is a bad idea. I would rather see Poreda because at least he has a plus pitch and it has sink on it. Bringing up Broadway, is Felix Diaz II.
I agree. Poreda should be brought up and put in the rotation. Like you said he has a plus pitch with sink. I will take my chances with a guy that has a dominant fastball, than a guy who frankly isn't that good, and in my eyes Broadway isn't that good. You can get away with more mistakes when you have a dominant fastball, I would much rather see Poreda. But my first choice would go outside and find a starter.

Daver
08-10-2008, 01:26 PM
I agree. Poreda should be brought up and put in the rotation. Like you said he has a plus pitch with sink. I will take my chances with a guy that has a dominant fastball, than a guy who frankly isn't that good, and in my eyes Broadway isn't that good. You can get away with more mistakes when you have a dominant fastball, I would much rather see Poreda. But my first choice would go outside and find a starter.

Poreda would get killed by MLB hitters.

oeo
08-10-2008, 01:27 PM
Thats what they told us but I think they knew differently.

They knew Contreras was going to rupture his achilles? :scratch:

oeo
08-10-2008, 01:31 PM
I have hope. However reality and logic keep creeping into imagination-land and tell me that 10 innings with the majority against the Royals in september of last year equal him being a good starter this year. Lightning in a bottle usually requires some physical skill such as a good control, good fastball, plus secondary pitch. None of these are possessed by Broadway.

Catching lightning in a bottle usually requires luck, and that's it. I'm hoping we get lucky, because unless we add another starter, that's what we're going to need.

southsideirish71
08-10-2008, 01:33 PM
Catching lightning in a bottle usually requires luck, and that's it. I'm hoping we get lucky, because unless we add another starter, that's what we're going to need.

Bobby Jenks was lightning in a bottle. The ability to throw a 100mph fastball in the zone with a 12/6 curve as an out pitch was his physical talent. Luck had little to do with it.

oeo
08-10-2008, 01:38 PM
Bobby Jenks was lightning in a bottle. The ability to throw a 100mph fastball in the zone with a 12/6 curve as an out pitch was his physical talent. Luck had little to do with it.

Stop being difficult. You can be lucky without a lot of physical talent...that's why you're lucky.

And I never said what I'm hoping for is what I'm expecting, so what's your issue? This is all moot anyway, since it looks like it will be Carrasco in the rotation.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 01:41 PM
They knew Contreras was going to rupture his achilles? :scratch:
I was talking about Linebrink and Crede.

oeo
08-10-2008, 01:44 PM
I was talking about Linebrink and Crede.

What do Linebrink and Crede have to do with Paul Byrd?

And even in their cases, I don't think they saw either one coming. Crede was actually put on a rehab assignment. The Sox usually don't BS about their players' health, so I don't see why that would be any different here.

Noneck
08-10-2008, 01:52 PM
What do Linebrink and Crede have to do with Paul Byrd?


Linebrinks role affects the roles of the whole pitching staff and the needs of the staff.

viagracat
08-10-2008, 02:01 PM
I'm gong to see the Sox play in Oakland next Friday night. I'm happy I'll be missing whoever the Sox have going as their fifth starter.

Hope they don't get "gonged" out West. If they do, it gets a little tougher...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/91/Gongshowtitle.jpg/250px-Gongshowtitle.jpg

TDog
08-10-2008, 02:05 PM
Hope they don't get "gonged" out West. If they do, it gets a little tougher...

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/9/91/Gongshowtitle.jpg/250px-Gongshowtitle.jpg

Once again, I am reminded that the spell check is not a substitute for copy editing.

gobears1987
08-10-2008, 04:50 PM
They are hitting near 300 against Broadway, and he has a penchant for giving up the homer. Bringing him up is a bad idea. I would rather see Poreda because at least he has a plus pitch and it has sink on it. Bringing up Broadway, is Felix Diaz II.
Don't judge our pitchers based off of AAA stats. They play in a very ****ty ball park with power alleys of 345.

Brian26
08-10-2008, 08:18 PM
In case anyone cares, here are the #s assigned to the new guys (per the scoreboard today):

Getz #39
Broadway #41 (he wore this last year at the end of the season)
H. Ramirez #49

williepotatoes
08-10-2008, 08:32 PM
I just heard that Paul Byrd has cleared waivers. He's been pretty good lately. Might be a thought.

If nothing else he would surely make the Sox all-time all-ugly team.

williepotatoes
08-10-2008, 08:37 PM
In case anyone cares, here are the #s assigned to the new guys (per the scoreboard today):

Getz #39
Broadway #41 (he wore this last year at the end of the season)
H. Ramirez #49

Ahhh, fresh bodies with fresh names. I luv a good pennant run, cause you don't have to be real good to do real good. You kinda just have to be on a little streak and have a little good fortune.

Law11
08-10-2008, 09:39 PM
It got to the point with Logan that I cringed whenever he got the call. Last night he really pissed me off. Hope Broadway is the answer.

It was turning into Marte from 05 all over again.

viagracat
08-10-2008, 09:49 PM
it was turning into marte from 05 all over again.

exactly.

Lillian
08-11-2008, 08:37 AM
Broadway has been terrible over his last 10 starts. His ERA is 7.27 and only 3 of those 10 starts were quality.
Tomo Ohka has been far better in his last 10 appearances, with an ERA of 2.72 and a WHIP of 1.20. His last 4 appearances have been as a starter, and all 4 of them were quality starts.
He also has experience as a releiver.
Why not go with the "hot hand"?

doublem23
08-11-2008, 09:18 AM
Broadway has been terrible over his last 10 starts. His ERA is 7.27 and only 3 of those 10 starts were quality.
Tomo Ohka has been far better in his last 10 appearances, with an ERA of 2.72 and a WHIP of 1.20. His last 4 appearances have been as a starter, and all 4 of them were quality starts.
He also has experience as a releiver.
Why not go with the "hot hand"?

Because stats don't tell the whole story.

Lillian
08-11-2008, 09:23 AM
Because stats don't tell the whole story.

What part of the "story" intrigues you about Broadway?

doublem23
08-11-2008, 09:35 AM
What part of the "story" intrigues you about Broadway?

He's been a decent prospect ever since the Sox drafted him and he had some nice work last year around this time.

:dunno:

Isn't there probably also a contract element to this, too? I doubt Ohka has any options, so if the Sox bring him up and he bombs, he has to clear waivers to be sent back to Charlotte. I'm sure Broadway has at least 1 more option left, so if he shows up and sucks, he can catch the next bus back to AAA.

Anwyays, if you're seriously arguing for Tomo Ohka, I'm just going to stop on account that there's no way I could take this seriously.

TomBradley72
08-11-2008, 09:47 AM
Don't judge our pitchers based off of AAA stats. They play in a very ****ty ball park with power alleys of 345.

Broadway's ERA is 4.97 on the road in AAA (higher than at home), and it's 7.27 over his last 10 starts (5 on the road: 5 ER in 5 inn @ Richmond, 4 ER in 6 inn @ Richmond, 5 ER in 4.1 inn @ Durham, 6 ER in 5 inn @ Louisville, 3 ER in 5.2 inn @ Syracuse). He's had 3 "quality starts" in his last 10.

His inflated ERA isn't due to the Charlotte band box. It's because he sucks.

turners56
08-11-2008, 09:51 AM
Broadway's ERA is 4.97 on the road in AAA (higher than at home), and it's 7.27 over his last 10 starts (5 on the road: 5 ER in 5 inn @ Richmond, 4 ER in 6 inn @ Richmond, 5 ER in 4.1 inn @ Durham, 6 ER in 5 inn @ Louisville, 3 ER in 5.2 inn @ Syracuse). He's had 3 "quality starts" in his last 10.

His inflated ERA isn't due to the Charlotte band box. It's because he sucks.

He had similar stats last year. Jeff Samardzija had some of the ****tiest stats in the minors. Yet, he got called up and has been pretty good for that north side team.

AAA stats don't tell you everything...

TomBradley72
08-11-2008, 10:03 AM
He had similar stats last year. Jeff Samardzija had some of the ****tiest stats in the minors. Yet, he got called up and has been pretty good for that north side team.

AAA stats don't tell you everything...

You can't be serious. I realize there are some mitigating factors to AAA stats....but to call them meaningless is ridiculous. If the hitters on Richmond, Syracuse and Louiville are lighting him up, and they have been for a few months now...I don't see why we would think he'll be shutting down major league hitters in the pennant race. Samardzija is a completely different pitcher, with different "stuff"...not sure how comparing his results to Broadway is relevent. By the way, he was 4-1, 3.13 ERA in 37 IP at AAA.

Lillian
08-11-2008, 10:06 AM
He's been a decent prospect ever since the Sox drafted him and he had some nice work last year around this time.

:dunno:

Isn't there probably also a contract element to this, too? I doubt Ohka has any options, so if the Sox bring him up and he bombs, he has to clear waivers to be sent back to Charlotte. I'm sure Broadway has at least 1 more option left, so if he shows up and sucks, he can catch the next bus back to AAA.

Anwyays, if you're seriously arguing for Tomo Ohka, I'm just going to stop on account that there's no way I could take this seriously.

I'm not really arguing for Ohka as much as I'm arguing against Broadway.
He hasn't been effective at all in his last 10 starts at AAA.
I find it just as difficult to take seriously any argument advocating Broadway, as you apparently find my suggestion of Ohka.
It's a shame that there aren't any better options than either of these guys.

turners56
08-11-2008, 10:10 AM
You can't be serious. I realize there are some mitigating factors to AAA stats....but to call them meaningless is ridiculous. If the hitters on Richmond, Syracuse and Louiville are lighting him up, and they have been for a few months now...I don't see why we would think he'll be shutting down major league hitters in the pennant race. Samardzija is a completely different pitcher, with different "stuff"...not sure how comparing his results to Broadway is relevent. By the way, he was 4-1, 3.13 ERA in 37 IP at AAA.

Look at his AA stats though...his ERA was near 5 there.

I never said they were meaningless, it's obvious that Broadway has been well, mediocre to say the least in AAA. However, he had almost the exact same stats last season when he did get called up. I know it was low pressure, but he was quite dominant in one start and his relief appearances. Don't tell me it was against the Royals either, because obviously, the Royals are kicking our pitchers' asses this year.

officerron
08-11-2008, 10:11 AM
Last time we rode the hot hand, Clayton Richard came up and did pretty bad. I don't think there was a "clear-cut" guy to go to SP wise in the minors, so I don't have much of a problem with it. Hopefully this will light a fire under Broadway's ass and he can give us 4-5 decent starts.

TomBradley72
08-11-2008, 10:18 AM
Look at his AA stats though...his ERA was near 5 there.

I never said they were meaningless, it's obvious that Broadway has been well, mediocre to say the least in AAA. However, he had almost the exact same stats last season when he did get called up. I know it was low pressure, but he was quite dominant in one start and his relief appearances. Don't tell me it was against the Royals either, because obviously, the Royals are kicking our pitchers' asses this year.

I hope you're right. But there's a reason he's the 5th guy we called up (after Carrasco, Russell, Wassermann, Richard). I can't really excited about our 5th best pitcher at Charlotte.

Brewski
08-11-2008, 10:32 AM
He's been having "general soreness" Is that another word for 'low productivity'? perhaps.

If they wanted an old fat guy who can"t play baseball anymore, any one of my golf buddies could have filled the order at lesser cost.