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Adele_H
08-07-2008, 01:26 AM
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So, Bobby Cox, you sagacious baseball guru you... Care to offer an explanation for such almost unprecedented team-wide chokery, and outline a plan of correction? Anything to say at all in your defense?



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Uh....eh....supercalifragilisticexpialidocious?



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chaerulez
08-07-2008, 01:30 AM
Being on the wrong side of one run games, I would say "choke" isn't the right word. Perhaps unlucky is a better description.

Adele_H
08-07-2008, 01:39 AM
Being on the wrong side of one run games, I would say "choke" isn't the right word. Perhaps unlucky is a better description.

Wait, but back in 2005, didn't our superb record in one-run games serve as further proof of Ozzie's managerial chops and testimony to the awesomeness of 'Ozzieball' as playing philosophy?

doublem23
08-07-2008, 01:53 AM
Wait, but back in 2005, didn't our superb record in one-run games serve as further proof of Ozzie's managerial chops and testimony to the awesomeness of 'Ozzieball' as playing philosophy?

I believe it also proved that we were pretty lucky.

Maybe it'd be one thing if Bobby Cox had an extraordinarily bad record in 1-run games over his career, but those year-to-year splits aren't enough of a sample size, IMO.

Ozzie's career 1-run games:

2008: 15-13
2007: 16-26
2006: 24-21
2005: 35-19
2004: 28-18
Total: 118-97 (.548)... 13 percentage points higher than his career winning percentage.

As for Cox, he's managed 4,135 games in his career and he's won over 55% of them. Crucifying him over less than 1% of his total body of work is pretty silly, IMO (especially since this is one of the least successful teams he's had in his career).

Konerko05
08-07-2008, 02:02 AM
Luck and bullpen.

WhiteSox5187
08-07-2008, 02:12 AM
Luck and bullpen.
Exactly! You don't win as many one run games as we did in '05 without SOME luck and you don't lose that many one run games without some bad luck. But Atlanta is battling a string of injuries right now and their bullpen is, well, I don't know how good or bad their bullpen is but judging from that stat, I'd say it's bad. It's like saying "Well Ozzie is an awful manager because they had an awful team in '07." I'm not saying Ozzie is as good as Bobby Cox, but even John McGraw had bad teams. A manager is only as good as his players.

SpartanSoxFan
08-07-2008, 02:12 AM
Can't people just buy into the idea that teams don't just win 'magically' but they make their own luck a good deal of the time? What are the Braves batting with runners in scoring position?

chaerulez
08-07-2008, 02:39 AM
Can't people just buy into the idea that teams don't just win 'magically' but they make their own luck a good deal of the time? What are the Braves batting with runners in scoring position?

No one is saying you win one run games by magic, but you can't judge a team by it's one run record. The Braves have scored more runs than given up, yet they are under .500. Are they necessarily a bad team? Maybe. But at the same time, they could easily be 9 games over .500.

hose
08-07-2008, 07:36 AM
They miss Andruw Jones

soxfanatlanta
08-07-2008, 10:49 AM
Considering that the entire bullpen is God awful, this is to be expected; they are simply horrible. You can pin it on Bobby if you want, but I'd put some of the blame on Schuerholz and Wren too.

turners56
08-07-2008, 11:04 AM
Don't the Braves have Rafael Soriano closing? Their bullpen sucks.

Adele_H
08-07-2008, 04:01 PM
They miss Andruw Jones

He's their Aaron Rowand, only not as good defensively as Aaron.

Adele_H
08-07-2008, 04:03 PM
Don't the Braves have Rafael Soriano closing? Their bullpen sucks.

That's the guy I wanted the Sox to get some time ago as another CRP, liked him in Seattle.

hose
08-07-2008, 04:56 PM
He's their Aaron Rowand, only not as good defensively as Aaron.

or as grindy as Aaron .