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DumpJerry
07-31-2008, 10:20 AM
Continue here.

Mohoney
07-31-2008, 10:21 AM
Is there any way he can get to Minnesota tonight?

russ99
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
Is there any way he can get to Minnesota tonight?

:D:

October26
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
SoxGirl4Life: I saw your post at the end of the last thread that Griffey has approved the trade. Thanks. Wow! I still can't believe this. And still no confirmation that it is only Richar and Masset that are going back in the trade?

Chicago5oooh
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
Is there any way he can get to Minnesota tonight?

An airplane? Walking would take too long....:redneck

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
Welcome To the South Side Mr. Griffey!
And I have tickets to Tuesdays game vs Detroit.

Woo-Hoo!

itsnotrequired
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
Is there any way he can get to Minnesota tonight?

Northwest flies there.

WhiteSoxFan84
07-31-2008, 10:22 AM
Is there any way he can get to Minnesota tonight?

if he does he won't play.
but i have a feeling the sox will just tell him to fly to kansas city from houston for our weekend series.

KyWhiSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
The Sox are probably still looking for a reliever to complete the process. I can't believe they will just dip into their farm system for someone to replace Masset.

Jaffar
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
So he approved the deal, what next? There has to be another move right?

Judge Smails!
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
But do you want Griffey to play on turf???

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
Nick Masset and Danny Richar per Score

FedEx227
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
There has to be a secondary trade or this deal makes absolutely no sense for this year and next.

anewman35
07-31-2008, 10:23 AM
Is there any way he can get to Minnesota tonight?

He was in Houston yesterday, Washington tomorrow, off today. Not too close to Minnesota, but, then again, plane rides don't take too long, so you'd think it was possible, if he wanted it to happen.

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
The Sox are probably still looking for a reliever to complete the process. I can't believe they will just dip into their farm system for someone to replace Masset.

Adam Russell can "replace" Masset. He wasn't doing much.

I think Jon Link should be given an opportunity, though.

soxpride724
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
Welcome To the South Side Griff!:gulp:

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
The Score just confirmed Masset and Richar to the reds for Junior.

Only time will tell but I liked Richar last year and I thought masset had potential.

1908<2005
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
*** is Kenny thinking? He isn't even better than any of our current outfielders. Wow.

ms620
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
According to a friend of mine from Chicago, I live in Jersey, he heard on the radio that the Sox are trading Cabrera for Huston Street. Has anyone heard anything about this?

russ99
07-31-2008, 10:24 AM
The Sox are probably still looking for a reliever to complete the process. I can't believe they will just dip into their farm system for someone to replace Masset.

Carrasco already replaced Masset as the long guy. But I doubt Kenny's done. We need insurance for Linebrink.

Bucky F. Dent
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
So he approved the deal, what next? There has to be another move right?


I think so. A - acquiring Griffey has created a surplus, and B - "losing" Massett opens a spot in the pen.

Now I wouldn't give up one of those "surplus" guys solely for a Massett replacement, but those two issues exist on the roster right now.

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
According to a friend of mine from Chicago, I live in Jersey, he heard on the radio that the Sox are trading Cabrera for Huston Street. Has anyone heard anything about this?

That makes zero sense. The A's have no shot at the playoffs this year, and they're trading for a rental?

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
Now onto the next deal. Pitching.. Pitching...

MCHSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
Welcome To the South Side Mr. Griffey!
And I have tickets to Tuesdays game vs Detroit.

Woo-Hoo!

I was just telling my mom that this could actually help the Sox sell more tickets. Anyways, I am pumped to see him!!! YEEESSS!!!

delben91
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
Adam Russell can "replace" Masset. He wasn't doing much.

I think Jon Link should be given an opportunity, though.

I hear Brad Eldred is the second coming, he can probably pitch better than Tim Linecum if he was just given a chance.

Rockabilly
07-31-2008, 10:25 AM
Does anyone know how fast it will take for the Griffey jerseys goes on sale..

Dan the Man
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
This may be posted before I finish typing, but CBS Sports says Richar and Masset.

MCHSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
Now onto the next deal. Pitching.. Pitching...

Yeah. More than anything I wanted another good starter.

Gammons Peter
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
He was in Houston yesterday, Washington tomorrow, off today. Not too close to Minnesota, but, then again, plane rides don't take too long, so you'd think it was possible, if he wanted it to happen.


I don't think we want him running around in that crapdome anyway. That place is cursed, he'd blow a tire in the first inning.

russ99
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
I was just telling my mom that this could actually help the Sox sell more tickets. Anyways, I am pumped to see him!!! YEEESSS!!!

It's making me want to buy more tickets... :D:

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
Now...what number does he wear? 24?

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
Anyone hear the Cinncy writer on the Score? He was not complimentary toward Junior and his defensive prowess. I am concerned about our centerfield situation but will let kenny explain it all at 3:00 pm.

the1tab
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
A) Welcome to Chicago (finally), Ken Griffey Jr.

B) What's next? there has to be something brewing... i wouldn't be shocked if it was on more than one front, either...

C'mon Kenny...

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
Now let's get that reliever they were talking about...

Sad
07-31-2008, 10:26 AM
Welcome To the South Side Mr. Griffey!
And I have tickets to Tuesdays game vs Detroit.

Woo-Hoo!

me too!
:D:

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
Score confirming approval.

Says Griffey will be available immediately. But then say they don't know what that means.

Jr. played in Cinci yesterday I believe....that's a maximum of a 3 hour flight to Minny. Rent a private jet if you have to.

Question,

What number does he wear?

Crede is 24. 3 is retired.

Jjav829
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
I still can't believe it.

Welcome to the Sox, Grif! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

If the reports are true that the Sox are working on a 3 or 4 team deal for Street, any chance that trade includes Konerko?

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
According to a friend of mine from Chicago, I live in Jersey, he heard on the radio that the Sox are trading Cabrera for Huston Street. Has anyone heard anything about this?

The whole point in keeping Uribe was because they were thin in the IF.
They lose OC would make it paper thin.

This isnt happening.

MCHSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
Does anyone know how fast it will take for the Griffey jerseys goes on sale..

Just go to shop.mlb.com and make a custom jersyey. Don't know his number, however.

Soxfanspcu11
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
He was in Houston yesterday, Washington tomorrow, off today. Not too close to Minnesota, but, then again, plane rides don't take too long, so you'd think it was possible, if he wanted it to happen.

For as much as Kenny loves JR., I'm pretty sure that he could convince Jerry to let JR. borrow his private Cessna. Or perhaps KW has his own private Cessna that he could let JR. borrow. You would think that KW has his own Cessna but I dunno.

However, the sooner that JR. throws on a Sox uniform, the better for Me!:bandance::gulp::D:

ms620
07-31-2008, 10:27 AM
The whole point in keeping Uribe was because they were thin in the IF.
They lose OC would make it paper thin.

This isnt happening.

I would hope not. But thats why I wanted to see if anyone heard this.

UofCSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:28 AM
This may be posted before I finish typing, but CBS Sports says Richar and Masset.

Score just confirmed this. Offman said we may be getting a reliever back in return as well.

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:28 AM
I imagine Griffey will bat 7th. Swisher might get moved up to 6 or they might platoon Konerko and Swisher.

russ99
07-31-2008, 10:28 AM
Woo hoo! Congrats Kenny!! Under the freakin' Radar!!! :gulp:

palehozenychicty
07-31-2008, 10:28 AM
Wow. That's about all to say. :o:

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
Score just confirmed this. Offman said we may be getting a reliever back in return as well.

Supposedly, either Affeldt or Weathers.

thedudeabides
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
That makes zero sense. The A's have no shot at the playoffs this year, and they're trading for a rental?

Type A free agent. 2 draft picks.

Also, I'm not sure what the Reds would want with Richar already having Brandon Phillips. Massett is also out of options and he opens a spot if they trade for a reliever.

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
I still can't believe it.

Welcome to the Sox, Grif! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

If the reports are true that the Sox are working on a 3 or 4 team deal for Street, any chance that trade includes Konerko?

Who's eating THAT contract? The Sox arent know for eating large portions of money.

Gammons Peter
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
why would the A's want Cabrera, they are in youth movement/salary dump mode

Dan the Man
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
I wonder what number he will wear?

24-Crede
3-Harold
30-Swish

If this means Konerko sees less of the field, it's good. Perhaps the pine time will light a fire under Paul, but I'm just excited to see formerly the best player in baseball play for the Sox.

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
I would not mind seeing junior in the lineup tonite vs Baker who is a tough righty but again...that turf might not be Juniors cup of tea and it is a big outfield.

Maybe he could pinch hit ...he did hit a three run homer last nite.

Jjav829
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
Now...what number does he wear? 24?

I'd guess #33. Or maybe Swish will give up #30.

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
According to a friend of mine from Chicago, I live in Jersey, he heard on the radio that the Sox are trading Cabrera for Huston Street. Has anyone heard anything about this?

I would hate the effect on our lineup, since that would probably mean Uribe is back to being a regular player (especially if Richar is the one leaving for Griffey)

Rockabilly
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
Score just confirmed this. Offman said we may be getting a reliever back in return as well.


I heard it might be David Weathers

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
I'd guess #33. Or maybe Swish will give up #30.

Javy has #33 on his back.

And duh, Crede has #24. I don't know why I forgot that. I'm thinking no one has it for some reason.

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:29 AM
Woo hoo! Congrats Kenny!! Under the freakin' Radar!!! :gulp:

You have all the no trade for Sox talk yesterday and now this.

ms620
07-31-2008, 10:30 AM
why would the A's want Cabrera, they are in youth movement/salary dump mode

They would take him for the draft picks...

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:30 AM
why would the A's want Cabrera, they are in youth movement/salary dump mode

Maybe to move him to the dodgers who covet a ss.

I hope they do not move OC ...too much defensive uncertainty as it is.

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:30 AM
I would hate the effect on our lineup, since that would probably mean Uribe is back to being a regular player (especially if Richar is the one leaving for Griffey)

Why would the A's want Cabrera? That makes 0 sense.

Sockinchisox
07-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Sources tell the Score Griffey to center, Swisher to 1st, Thome and Konerko platoon at DH.

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Now Score saying Jr in CF with Thome/Konerko platooning DH.

Rockabilly
07-31-2008, 10:31 AM
All I have to say is KW is awesome to get Griffey on the Sox

kkappelk
07-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Konerko has to be the odd man out now. I'd be surprised if he is NOT traded today. Does anyone know if PK has no trade clause? Is he a 10-5?

Jjav829
07-31-2008, 10:31 AM
Who's eating THAT contract? The Sox arent know for eating large portions of money.

It would take a team who thinks Konerko is going to return to form. It's unlikely, but you never know...

Jerko
07-31-2008, 10:32 AM
Maybe he'll ask the league for permission to wear 42?

gosox3072
07-31-2008, 10:32 AM
Konerko has to be the odd man out now. I'd be surprised if he is NOT traded today. Does anyone know if PK has no trade clause? Is he a 10-5?

yes he is

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:32 AM
All I have to say is KW is awesome to get Griffey on the Sox

As awesome as getting Robbie Alomar twice? Griffey is better than Alomar at this point in his career, but I don't know how much this will help the team besides the fact that he's another HOFer to draw in more fans to the park.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 10:32 AM
Cabrera is worth 2 first round draft picks. That's why Beane would be interested.

doublem23
07-31-2008, 10:32 AM
Konerko has to be the odd man out now. I'd be surprised if he is NOT traded today. Does anyone know if PK has no trade clause? Is he a 10-5?

He is a 10/5.

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:32 AM
I wonder what number he will wear?

24-Crede
3-Harold
30-Swish

If this means Konerko sees less of the field, it's good. Perhaps the pine time will light a fire under Paul, but I'm just excited to see formerly the best player in baseball play for the Sox.

33 is my pick

delben91
07-31-2008, 10:33 AM
I heard it might be David Weathers

I heard he's better than Bobby Jenks.

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:33 AM
Cabrera is worth 2 first round draft picks. That's why Beane would be interested.

Not a bad deal then...

Alexei to the leadoff spot!

Parrothead
07-31-2008, 10:33 AM
This moves sucks. The sox already have enough guys who can't hit and field but they can hit the occasional HR. I wish Kenny would find someone who is not washed up.

russ99
07-31-2008, 10:33 AM
Konerko has to be the odd man out now. I'd be surprised if he is NOT traded today. Does anyone know if PK has no trade clause? Is he a 10-5?

Yep - he got it this spring.

I doubt Paul gets traded now. He should go on the DL and hit minor league pitching for a few weeks and get his confidence back.

Don't forget, Jr.s injury prone, and the extra backup is a good idea. Plus having a Konerko/Thome up your sleeve for the playoffs is a great idea.

Gammons Peter
07-31-2008, 10:33 AM
Street took the loss last night with 40 pitches in 1.2 innings. ERA up to 4.05...DO NOT WANT

SoxGirl4Life
07-31-2008, 10:34 AM
SoxGirl4Life: I saw your post at the end of the last thread that Griffey has approved the trade. Thanks. Wow! I still can't believe this. And still no confirmation that it is only Richar and Masset that are going back in the trade?


This SoxGirl should be working. Yikes.. I'm gonna get myself in trouble!

MCHSoxFan
07-31-2008, 10:34 AM
Sources tell the Score Griffey to center, Swisher to 1st, Thome and Konerko platoon at DH.

Fine. I am guessing whoever is pitching versus the Sox will determine if its PK/JT? Man, I actually would prefer JT.

IlliniSox4Life
07-31-2008, 10:34 AM
Konerko has to be the odd man out now. I'd be surprised if he is NOT traded today. Does anyone know if PK has no trade clause? Is he a 10-5?

I'm pretty sure he does.

russ99
07-31-2008, 10:34 AM
Street took the loss last night with 40 pitches in 1.2 innings. ERA up to 4.05...DO NOT WANT

Good, we can get him cheap in a classic Beane dump before the DL move.

kkappelk
07-31-2008, 10:35 AM
He is a 10/5.

That definitely complicates matters. If something were to happen, I'd like to listen in on the conversation KW has with PK asking him to approve a trade.

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:35 AM
33 is my pick

Javy has it.

#1swisher
07-31-2008, 10:35 AM
Score confirming approval.

Says Griffey will be available immediately. But then say they don't know what that means.

Jr. played in Cinci yesterday I believe....that's a maximum of a 3 hour flight to Minny. Rent a private jet if you have to.

He's a pro. I want to see him play tonite! We need his bat.

Welcome to the White Sox Mr. Griffey:D:

2906
07-31-2008, 10:35 AM
Carrasco already replaced Masset as the long guy. But I doubt Kenny's done. We need insurance for Linebrink.

Agreed. I'm expecting another deal today.

Hitmen77
07-31-2008, 10:35 AM
With Griffey on the 25 man roster, I assume this means that a position player is either being traded or sent down to Charlotte today.

Also, does this mean that Griffey might go into the HOF wearing a Sox cap?

ndgt10
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
I heard he's better than Bobby Jenks.
Weathers
3.40 ERA, 2-5W/L, 45 IP, 32 K's, 19 BB, 5 HR's

Not to shabby.

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
He's a pro. I want to see him play tonite! We need his bat.

I want to see him tonight, too.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
2008 Griffey >>>> Any DeWayne Wise.

2008 Griffey's bat >>>> Anderson's bat.

2008 Griffey >>>> 2008 Paul Konerko

Masset = not helping us.

Richar = nice player with potential, but has been passed up by Beckham, Alexei, and Getz.

This move = added depth with one of my favorite players ever.

This move = good.

Kenny Williams has performed another roundhouse kick.

Dan the Man
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
What I like is that he has an option on his contract, so he can DH for us next year, assuming Thome is out.

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
With Griffey on the 25 man roster, I assume this means that a position player is either being traded or sent down to Charlotte today.

Also, does this mean that Griffey might go into the HOF wearing a Sox cap?

Wise going back down?

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
Weathers
3.40 ERA, 2-5W/L, 45 IP, 32 K's, 19 BB, 5 HR's

Not to shabby.

I could do without the walks, but I'd take it.

Harry Potter
07-31-2008, 10:36 AM
I'm still not convinced this trade will happen. It's not a Wednesday :redneck

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 10:37 AM
This is still pretty confusing, doesn't make a ton of sense. Again, seems to be a name acquisition, but from an actual baseball standpoint, you are downgrading center defense, not gaining much in terms of a bat, and creating another logjam at 1B. As of right now I don't like it because I've always felt like we've had too many DH's, and now we add another one, there's got to be more to this...

DumpJerry
07-31-2008, 10:37 AM
With Richar gone, number 1 is now available.

balke
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
That definitely complicates matters. If something were to happen, I'd like to listen in on the conversation KW has with PK asking him to approve a trade.

PK ain't going nowhere. You don't trade players with low value. The time to Trade PK was last season or the one prior.

I think the Sox would be great if they kept everyone and rotated players. If they feel like they are going to need to trade someone, it'll be Swisher.

Save McCuddy's
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
I wonder what number he will wear?

24-Crede
3-Harold
30-Swish


If this means Konerko sees less of the field, it's good. Perhaps the pine time will light a fire under Paul, but I'm just excited to see formerly the best player in baseball play for the Sox.

Harold would lend him #3 for a stint

ndgt10
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
Affeldt
4.05 ERA, 1-0 W/L, 53.1 IP, 55 K's, 21 BB, 7 HR

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
I love some of these callers on the radio.. This trade is horrible, it sucks, etc.
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You have to think Kenny has given this just a bit of thought as to what he has in mind. I dont think he was fishing through a media guide and saw Griffey's picture and though Ohh maybe we can get him..

We cant judge any of this until 3 today when another move which I think is probable happens.

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
With Richar gone, number 1 is now available.

What about 6? Why the hell does no one ever wear 6?

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
Wise going back down?

Wise might be out of options.

Harry Potter
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
In other news, Todd Jones went on the DL

jabrch
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
Richar? Seems an odd price to pay for Griff. Still waiting on the rest of the deals to pass judgement.

delben91
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
Weathers
3.40 ERA, 2-5W/L, 45 IP, 32 K's, 19 BB, 5 HR's

Not to shabby.

He's no Jeremy Accardo.

kkappelk
07-31-2008, 10:38 AM
This is still pretty confusing, doesn't make a ton of sense. Again, seems to be a name acquisition, but from an actual baseball standpoint, you are downgrading center defense, not gaining much in terms of a bat, and creating another logjam at 1B. As of right now I don't like it because I've always felt like we've had too many DH's, and now we add another one, there's got to be more to this...

I agree 100%. This makes no sense, so someone else has to be going away today via trade.

turners56
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
Affeldt
4.05 ERA, 1-0 W/L, 53.1 IP, 55 K's, 21 BB, 7 HR

Getting any kind of ex-Royal is not good.

sox1970
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
What about 6? Why the hell does no one ever wear 6?

Unofficially retired for Charlie Lau.

FedEx227
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
This is still pretty confusing, doesn't make a ton of sense. Again, seems to be a name acquisition, but from an actual baseball standpoint, you are downgrading center defense, not gaining much in terms of a bat, and creating another logjam at 1B. As of right now I don't like it because I've always felt like we've had too many DH's, and now we add another one, there's got to be more to this...

My thoughts exactly. Good deal in a vacuum, but makes no sense whatsoever to this team.

oeo
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
Unofficially retired for Charlie Lau.

Did not know that, thanks.

2906
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
Wise going back down?
They'd have to DFA him, either than or someone else gets moved.

SoxGirl4Life
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
With Griffey on the 25 man roster, I assume this means that a position player is either being traded or sent down to Charlotte today.

Also, does this mean that Griffey might go into the HOF wearing a Sox cap?


That would be Masset

Palehose Pete
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
This SoxGirl should be working. Yikes.. I'm gonna get myself in trouble!


No kidding! I'm on a conference call with some folks from our company's Ireland plant, half listening to the call and half reading this thread!

btrain929
07-31-2008, 10:39 AM
According to a friend of mine from Chicago, I live in Jersey, he heard on the radio that the Sox are trading Cabrera for Huston Street. Has anyone heard anything about this?

No. That would make -50% sense for the A's.

Soxfanspcu11
07-31-2008, 10:40 AM
I was just telling my mom that this could actually help the Sox sell more tickets. Anyways, I am pumped to see him!!! YEEESSS!!!

There is no doubt about that!

You know how many people from My Generation (I'm 25) grew up absolutely LOVING Ken Griffey Jr.? Myself included. I even heard scrubs fans talking back in 2005 when We were supposed to get him that they would pay money to see Jr. play on the Southside. So yes, look for tickets to be going FAST!

Anyone hear the Cinncy writer on the Score? He was not complimentary toward Junior and his defensive prowess. I am concerned about our centerfield situation but will let kenny explain it all at 3:00 pm.

If you go to the Reds message boards, you will see that one of the main discussions going on there right now is about how pretty much EVERY Cinncy writer was down on Jr. That they constantly got on his case, about pretty much everything. So this does not surprise Me. Don't worry about this at all.

Score confirming approval.

Says Griffey will be available immediately. But then say they don't know what that means.

Jr. played in Cinci yesterday I believe....that's a maximum of a 3 hour flight to Minny. Rent a private jet if you have to.

Question,

What number does he wear?

Crede is 24. 3 is retired.

Teams have been known to let players wear retired numbers, just as long as it is okay with the person whose number was retired. I can't see Baines getting upset if JR. wanted to wear 3. Infact, he would probably be a bit flattered and tell him to go for it.

I still can't believe it.

Welcome to the Sox, Grif! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

If the reports are true that the Sox are working on a 3 or 4 team deal for Street, any chance that trade includes Konerko?

There is a chance. But remember, other teams see how Konerko is playing, it is not just us. And they also see the amount of cash that is due to him. I foresee that as being a problem with any potential deal involving Konerko.

The whole point in keeping Uribe was because they were thin in the IF.
They lose OC would make it paper thin.

This isnt happening.

Agreed.

What the hell would Oakland do with OC??? Unless it was part of a larger trade, perhaps involving more teams. There is no way that this would happen. At least in this proposed form.

And am I crazy, or did I just hear a caller on the Score say that the Sox should go after Manny Ramirez?!?!? I know KW is not that stupid (Thank God) but what a DISASTERPIECE that would be!!!!!

ndgt10
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
Wise might be out of options.
As long as we get Griffey I don't care what happens with Wise.

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
Holmes on the Score said he kills the Twins. Might be worth it just for that.:wink:

Cangelosi CF
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
No. That would make -50% sense for the A's.
is that Oakland wants Aaron Poreda, now at AA Birmingham. http://www.baseballamerica.com/statistics/players/cards/?pl_id=80587

Lukin13
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
2008 Griffey >>>> Any DeWayne Wise.

2008 Griffey's bat >>>> Anderson's bat.

2008 Griffey >>>> 2008 Paul Konerko


Wise/Anderson Lefty Righty Platoon >>>>>> Griffey in CF
Swisher in CF>>>>>>>>>>> Griffey in CF

This makes very little sense to me, unless Griffey is just an overqualified LH off the bench and insurance policy for our DH/Corner Outfielders.

chaotic8512
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
No kidding! I'm on a conference call with some folks from our company's Ireland plant, half listening to the call and half reading this thread!

My last day of work at a research job. Technically, I am researching something... what are they going to do, fire me? :redneck

kruzer31
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
In a way I am excited to get Ken Griffey Sr. But my heart tells me this isnt the guy I used to rip open 1989 Upper Deck Foil packs for to get that rookie card. But hey, Im with Kenny Williams roller coaster all the way and lets see what happens.

Welcome aboard Ken Griffey Sr.


Jeff

Sockinchisox
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
ESPN confirms it is Masset and Richar.

KRS1
07-31-2008, 10:41 AM
Weathers
3.40 ERA, 2-5W/L, 45 IP, 32 K's, 19 BB, 5 HR's

Not to shabby.

...and 50 H which combined with the BBs = a 1.55 WHIP, not too goody either.

Harry Chappas
07-31-2008, 10:42 AM
The whole point in keeping Uribe was because they were thin in the IF.
They lose OC would make it paper thin.

This isnt happening.

Not to mention Cabrera is playing very well. There's no way in hell I would deal a steady SS in the middle of a play-off race. Plus, Cabrera will net us two 1st rounders when we let him walk at the end of the year.

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:42 AM
Wise might be out of options.

He is. He'll never clear waivers.
A playoff roster may be interesting.

kkappelk
07-31-2008, 10:42 AM
PK ain't going nowhere. You don't trade players with low value. The time to Trade PK was last season or the one prior.

I think the Sox would be great if they kept everyone and rotated players. If they feel like they are going to need to trade someone, it'll be Swisher.

I feel like Swisher is the one that isn't going anywhere. He's signed for a while at a low price, he's a switch hitter and plays multiple positions. I think PK is on the way down from a productivity standpoint. The hope is that you get a GM out there who thinks PK will benefits from a change to a new organization.

SoxGirl4Life
07-31-2008, 10:42 AM
Holmes on the Score said he kills the Twins. Might be worth it just for that.:wink:

Shoot.. no teal needed for that.

btrain929
07-31-2008, 10:43 AM
I wonder what number he will wear?

24-Crede
3-Harold
30-Swish

If this means Konerko sees less of the field, it's good. Perhaps the pine time will light a fire under Paul, but I'm just excited to see formerly the best player in baseball play for the Sox.

#1

thedudeabides
07-31-2008, 10:43 AM
Wise going back down?

I think he's out of options.

Carolina Kenny
07-31-2008, 10:43 AM
Otis where are you? We need some clarity here.

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:43 AM
I hope they get Weathers....his last two months in 30 appearances he has only given up 7 earned runs and 7 runs overall...his era the last two months is 1.95 and 2.77...he could replace Masset as a righty out of the pen and he is a vet.

mccoydp
07-31-2008, 10:44 AM
In a way I am excited to get Ken Griffey Sr. But my heart tells me this isnt the guy I used to rip open 1989 Upper Deck Foil packs for to get that rookie card. But hey, Im with Kenny Williams roller coaster all the way and lets see what happens.

Welcome aboard Ken Griffey Sr.


Jeff

We didn't get his dad. :redneck

downstairs
07-31-2008, 10:44 AM
So..... Konerko, Thome, Griffey? At the same time?

I'm totally confused by this move, unless we have a big-name position player for a big-name pitcher deal working?

I don't see this helping, but we got a deal, so.... meh.

Harry Potter
07-31-2008, 10:44 AM
I think he's out of options.

Yes, he is out of options. He already cleared waivers once this year and went back to Charlotte before he was called back up

Andy T Clown
07-31-2008, 10:44 AM
[quote=kruzer31;1984344]In a way I am excited to get Ken Griffey Sr. But my heart tells me this isnt the guy I used to rip open 1989 Upper Deck Foil packs for to get that rookie card. But hey, Im with Kenny Williams roller coaster all the way and lets see what happens.

Welcome aboard Ken Griffey Sr.


Jeff[/quoteI wanted JR. not SR.:(:

BeviBall!
07-31-2008, 10:45 AM
#1

That's what I was thinking.

ilsox7
07-31-2008, 10:45 AM
Well this is a nice thing to come out of unconsciousness and see. I am sure Nick will be a 20 game winner in the NL.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 10:45 AM
Otis where are you? We need some clarity here.

Otis? Did he ever get anything right?
Might as well as Rockabilly for clarity.

IlliniSox4Life
07-31-2008, 10:45 AM
Interesting trade. I was pretty high on Richar. Anyone know much about this Griffey fellow? Is he supposed to be good?

102605
07-31-2008, 10:46 AM
Between Griffey, Konerko, Swisher, Dye and Thome. Only 1 will be sitting on a daily basis.


I think this will work awesome. Everyone one of those guys could use every 5th game off to stay healthy and fresh.

FOBA fans can rejoice as he also stays and likely sees CF alot in the end of games.

I don't see how Wise still fits in here though and I do really like having his speed around.

Fungo
07-31-2008, 10:46 AM
I don't like. There has to be another trade coming up.

Jjav829
07-31-2008, 10:46 AM
There is a chance. But remember, other teams see how Konerko is playing, it is not just us. And they also see the amount of cash that is due to him. I foresee that as being a problem with any potential deal involving Konerko.


Really? I thought it was only the Sox who could see how Konerko was playing.

Like I said, it's unlikely, but if some team thinks this is simply a bad slump, and not necessarily fully indicative of Konerko's abilities at the age of 32, then who knows...

Given the way salaries have increased since Konerko signed, $12 million isn't awful if he gets back to his .840 OPS self rather than what he's doing now.

Judge Smails!
07-31-2008, 10:46 AM
So..... Konerko, Thome, Griffey? At the same time?

I'm totally confused by this move, unless we have a big-name position player for a big-name pitcher deal working?

I don't see this helping, but we got a deal, so.... meh.

That is one speedy lineup!

30DaysintheHole
07-31-2008, 10:47 AM
Did anyone see this coming? Wow. This should add a spark to the club (although they looked like a first place team last night).

MsSoxVixen22
07-31-2008, 10:47 AM
It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out! I like Swish being moved to 1st...and I hope he stays there and isn't traded!!! Unfortunately there probably isn't anyone that would want PK and pay him a ****load of money for playing, well like ****. This is going to be a long day and one I spend the majority of on WSI

Hitmen77
07-31-2008, 10:47 AM
That would be Masset

No, i understand that Griffey takes Masset's spot on the roster. But, I was going under the assumption that we are going to keep the same number of pitchers. So, a non-pitcher currently on the 25 man roster needs to be moved.

kkappelk
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
Enough with the Griffey, Konerko, Swisher, Dye, Thome "1 day off" rotation. Tell me how that helps the team out in the playoffs?

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
...and 50 H which combined with the BBs = a 1.55 WHIP, not too goody either.
Coop will fix him.

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
No need to trust sports radio, now ESPN saying they're just getting those players from CBS Sportsline, they're also just speculating/reading the same sources we are

sox1970
07-31-2008, 10:48 AM
No, i understand that Griffey takes Masset's spot on the roster. But, I was going under the assumption that we are going to keep the same number of pitchers. So, a non-pitcher currently on the 25 man roster needs to be moved.

Yep, but the day isn't done. There could be one or two more trades today. The Sox will probably be short in the pen tonight, but hopefully Danks goes 7+.

Madvora
07-31-2008, 10:49 AM
Two old time great athletes join Chicago in two days.
Brian McBride to the Fire
Griffey to the Sox.

The Milkman
07-31-2008, 10:49 AM
Enough with the Griffey, Konerko, Swisher, Dye, Thome "1 day off" rotation. Tell me how that helps the team out in the playoffs?

You need to get into the playoffs before you play those games...

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:49 AM
...and 50 H which combined with the BBs = a 1.55 WHIP, not too goody either.

Players like weathers go into slumps...he was bad early on in the season but his last two months have been decent.

7 earned runs in his last 30 appearances.
7 runs overall over the same period.

Better than masset lately.

PennStater98r
07-31-2008, 10:50 AM
Griffey . . . Kenny Williams has performed another roundhouse kick.

So now I do believe that KW would kick Chuck Norris' ass. Bring on the ghost of Bruce Lee!

cheezheadsoxfan
07-31-2008, 10:50 AM
Shoot.. no teal needed for that.

True.:smile:

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 10:50 AM
Wise/Anderson Lefty Righty Platoon >>>>>> Griffey in CF
Swisher in CF>>>>>>>>>>> Griffey in CF

This makes very little sense to me, unless Griffey is just an overqualified LH off the bench and insurance policy for our DH/Corner Outfielders.
You're slobbering over Wise's limited journeyman abilities and Swisher's mediocrity?

I think you're right though, Griffey is added insurance and gives us a great PH option when he's not starting. That's why I love this deal.

I've been trying to make the case for a Mark Kotsay deal as added insurance/versatility/pinch hitting abilities, but Kenny has out-ninjaed my expectations and delivered something much better.

Lukin13
07-31-2008, 10:50 AM
To the average ticket buying WSox fan this trade means that Kenny pulled out all of the stops trying to win this year.

You can even see the love for "Griffey The Name" leaking into posts here.

If the Sox would have traded for Xavier Nady it wouldn't have cracked Sportscenter.... A Griffey trade who is an inferior player to Nady will not only be on Sportscenter but it will be breaking news.

ms620
07-31-2008, 10:51 AM
To the average ticket buying WSox fan this trade means that Kenny pulled out all of the stops trying to win this year.

You can even see the love for "Griffey The Name" leaking into posts here.

If the Sox would have traded for Xavier Nady it wouldn't have cracked Sportscenter.... A Griffey trade who is an inferior player to Nady will not only be on Sportscenter but it will be breaking news.

Griffey has over 600 home runs. Regardless of his current abilities, him getting traded is more newsworthy than Nady.

officerron
07-31-2008, 10:51 AM
just saw on bottom line of espnnews and on espn.com, griffey confirms trade...batting 6th or 7th tonite possibly?

KRS1
07-31-2008, 10:52 AM
Players like weathers go into slumps...he was bad early on in the season but his last two months have been decent.

7 earned runs in his last 30 appearances.
7 runs overall over the same period.

Better than masset lately.


39 year old RP's who struggle to break 90 also get shellacked when they are two pitch pitchers.

Lukin13
07-31-2008, 10:53 AM
You're slobbering over Wise's limited journeyman abilities and Swisher's mediocrity?

I think you're right though, Griffey is added insurance and gives us a great PH option when he's not starting. That's why I love this deal.

I've been trying to make the case for a Mark Kotsay deal as added insurance/versatility/pinch hitting abilities, but Kenny has out-ninjaed my expectations and delivered something much better.


I hear ya... not a Wise fan at all.

Just a realist, being 26 years old I love the Legend of Griffey as much as the next guy, but he isn't an upgrade for this team in CF. Plain and simple in my eyes.

palehozenychicty
07-31-2008, 10:53 AM
Damn, we are still slow, though. :(:

thomas35forever
07-31-2008, 10:54 AM
I can live without Masset and Richar isn't a big loss since we've got Getz waiting in the wings.

As a kid who grew up in the 90s when Griffey dominated baseball, I can't believe he's actually going to be on my team. God, this'll either be awesome or a bust. Either way, I can't wait to see him!

Rockabilly
07-31-2008, 10:54 AM
With the Sox being in 1st and just getting griffey..

Every single game should be a sell out .. If not that is very disappointing

Lukin13
07-31-2008, 10:55 AM
Griffey has over 600 home runs. Regardless of his current abilities, him getting traded is more newsworthy than Nady.

Exactly, thanks for explaining my point to me.

Nady is a better player but the average fan would look at it as a meaningless move.

Griffey will excite the fanbase and steal some headlines.

The Dude
07-31-2008, 10:55 AM
Unofficially retired for Charlie Lau.

Why would they unofficially retire a jersey unless they plan on retiring it ala #35??

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 10:55 AM
As a kid who grew up in the 90s when Griffey dominated baseball, I can't believe he's actually going to be on my team. God, this'll either be awesome or a bust. Either way, I can't wait to see him!

Exactly how I feel.
I will be there on Tuesday to give him a standing O.

hawkjt
07-31-2008, 10:56 AM
39 year old RP's who struggle to break 90 also get shellacked when they are two pitch pitchers.


Todd Jones seemed to get away with it for years but you could be totally correct. Somehow Weathers is getting away with it in June and july anyway.
Of course all speculation anyway so we will just have to wait and see if he is even in the deal. Afelts numbers were not as good but not too bad.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 10:56 AM
To the average ticket buying WSox fan this trade means that Kenny pulled out all of the stops trying to win this year.

You can even see the love for "Griffey The Name" leaking into posts here.

If the Sox would have traded for Xavier Nady it wouldn't have cracked Sportscenter.... A Griffey trade who is an inferior player to Nady will not only be on Sportscenter but it will be breaking news.
The name is great.

Look at what KW gave up. One nice player and a guy that's well, not all that great and probably would have been cut next year anyway? Bring it on. Nady or any other "under the radar player" doesn't come anywhere near that cheaply.

Carolina Kenny
07-31-2008, 10:56 AM
Kenny always gets his man (even if it takes years).

Whose next for Kenny's lust?

FedEx227
07-31-2008, 10:56 AM
Exactly, thanks for explaining my point to me.

Nady is a better player but the average fan would look at it as a meaningless move.

Griffey will excite the fanbase and steal some headlines.

Cool. When headlines per day (HPD) is a vital part of MLB standings allowing the Sox to get into the playoffs, let me know.

Blueprint1
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
Exactly how I feel.
I will be there on Tuesday to give him a standing O.

Really, a standing O for a guy that has yet to play a game for us? I am not sure about this move. I was hoping that Paulie would break out of his slump and we would win with the team we have.

The Dude
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
#1

You need to update your sig to include TRADED for Richar!:redneck

102605
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
Enough with the Griffey, Konerko, Swisher, Dye, Thome "1 day off" rotation. Tell me how that helps the team out in the playoffs?

Helps them get to the playoffs.

I also think the lineup is stronger now not to mention we get an extra lefty against a RHP we go up against.

PaleHoser
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
First thing I'd do after Junior gets off the plane is see if he can beat A.J. in a 30 yard dash. If he can, Junior hits second and A.J. moves down to sixth.

MushMouth
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
I love the financials on this too - the Reds are copping for half the remainder of the salary, and half his '09 buyout. Although I could Jr. being our DH if Thome is let go after this year??

Lukin13
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
Cool. When headlines per day (HPD) is a vital part of MLB standings allowing the Sox to get into the playoffs, let me know.


I am on your side man, trust me...

I was pointing out why KW made the trade, to excite the average fan.

Law11
07-31-2008, 10:57 AM
Welcome Jr!

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 10:58 AM
Really, a standing O for a guy that has yet to play a game for us? I am not sure about this move. I was hoping that Paulie would break out of his slump and we would win with the team we have.

Do you not know Griffey's history?
That alone deserves a great welcome by Sox fans.

Parrothead
07-31-2008, 10:58 AM
I can live without Masset and Richar isn't a big loss since we've got Getz waiting in the wings.

As a kid who grew up in the 90s when Griffey dominated baseball, I can't believe he's actually going to be on my team. God, this'll either be awesome or a bust. Either way, I can't wait to see him!

I am sure if Getz was called up he would turn out to be another Chris Young or any other guy the Sox had....Low average, good power.

Now the Sox have 4 guys old who don't hit and are not very good fielders. If either, Konerko, Thome, Griffey or Swisher is not moved this trade sucks balls.

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 10:58 AM
To the average ticket buying WSox fan this trade means that Kenny pulled out all of the stops trying to win this year.

You can even see the love for &quot;Griffey The Name&quot; leaking into posts here.

If the Sox would have traded for Xavier Nady it wouldn't have cracked Sportscenter.... A Griffey trade who is an inferior player to Nady will not only be on Sportscenter but it will be breaking news.

That's what kind of annoys me, HOF and 600+ HRs is impressive, but doesn't do anything for me in terms of 2008, just like the guy who jokingly said that Griffey kills the Twins, well I hope that was jokingly, that was what, 7 years ago, and how does that help us today :?:

Domeshot17
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
The ONLY other idea I have and this is just 100000000% speculation, could Kenny be talking a trade for Dye now to get a starting pitcher?

wulfy
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
Kenny always gets his man (even if it takes years).

Whose next for Kenny's lust?

Frank Catalanotto

KRS1
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
Todd Jones seemed to get away with it for years but you could be totally correct. Somehow Weathers is getting away with it in June and july anyway.
Of course all speculation anyway so we will just have to wait and see if he is even in the deal. Afelts numbers were not as good but not too bad.

Tod has thrown in at least the low 90s for the last few years, and his secondary stuff and location were pretty darn good too.

Jurr
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
Still scratching the old noggin' over this trade. Great name recognition. Great way to fire up fans. The utility of the move? Uhhhh....I guess you get to bench Konerko or Swish if either is struggling.

I always said that Griff would look SNAZZY in the black and gray. We shall see.

Milkman43
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
If Richar is on the move, who will play second in the future when Cabrera leaves and Alexei moves to short? I have a feeling thats KW's plan but does anyone know if the Sox have another good second baseman in their farm system?

lonestar101285
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
I am really going to let this play out before making judgement on this deal. KW needs to have something else in the works, especially for a reliever now that Masset is gone and Linebrink on the DL (how long is he out for, is it just a 15 day deal or is his injury worse than I think?).

I don't know how this will work out considering that you now have four players battling for playing time at only three positions (because Quentin and Dye aren't going anywhere in the OF). Does PK ride the bench for some time or platoon with Thome at DH? Will Swish and Griff split time in CF? PK and Swish at 1st or will Ozzie just pull names out of his cap on a daily basis?

This move alone will not win us a championship, but again, gotta wait until after the 3 PM deadline before making a prediction on the outcome for the rest of the year.

I don't even want to think of what of what the lineup will look like in Games 3 & 4 of the WS:D:.

Chicken Dinner
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
Really, a standing O for a guy that has yet to play a game for us? I am not sure about this move. I was hoping that Paulie would break out of his slump and we would win with the team we have.

The standing O is for the guy who got rid of Masset! :smile:

nsdjoe
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
This pretty much sinks B.A. Keep Wise up for backup-backup CF duty and pinch running.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 10:59 AM
The ONLY other idea I have and this is just 100000000% speculation, could Kenny be talking a trade for Dye now to get a starting pitcher?

Dye has a no trade clause for this year.
I rather move PK which also has one, so we shall see if anything else goes on.

nsdjoe
07-31-2008, 11:00 AM
If Richar is on the move, who will play second in the future when Cabrera leaves and Alexei moves to short? I have a feeling thats KW's plan but does anyone know if the Sox have another good second baseman in their farm system?

Getz!!

thomas35forever
07-31-2008, 11:00 AM
Helps them get to the playoffs.

Exactly. We've been running the same lineup out there most days for the past two months or so. Having at least one of Thome-Konerko-Swisher-Griffey fresh will be a boost to us offensively.

wulfy
07-31-2008, 11:00 AM
The ONLY other idea I have and this is just 100000000% speculation, could Kenny be talking a trade for Dye now to get a starting pitcher?

That pitcher's name better end in *alladay then.

BUMMER
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
ESPN confirms it is Masset and Richar.

It's been obvious the Sox lack an abundance of speed guys and when I saw Richar last year, I had hopes that he would develop. Obviously, he has fallen behind in the depth chart since Alexi signed, Getz seems to have moved up, and Beckham got drafted. Coming out of spring training, I thought Masset would be an asset.. but lately has hit the skids. I thought all along he should be a starter (somewhere). Good luck to both in Cincy.

I've also felt that sooner or later, the Sox would have to upgrade their roster away from the older, expensive, plodding, strikeout-heavy, injury-prone, defensive liability, DH-types and more towards the 4 or 5 tool guys like CQ & Alexi. Adding Griff just goes the oppopsite way. On the surface, I really don't like it.

There just HAS to be something else in the works for today - our pitching staff needs some shoring up and in the CF/1B/DH pool, we got about 2 too many guys.

Jurr
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Dye has a no trade clause for this year.
I rather move PK which also has one, so we shall see if anything else goes on.
Who also has a no trade clause.

Madvora
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Dye has a no trade clause for this year.
I rather move PK which also has one, so we shall see if anything else goes on.
PK does too with his 10/5 thing.

This doesn't make sense just to put PK on the bench (though I'd love it.) I hope another move is coming.

areilly
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Do you not know Griffey's history?
That alone deserves a great welcome by Sox fans.

That's pretty poisonous thinking. I'm not interested in rooting for 1998.

wulfy
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Getz!!

Beckham?

Jjav829
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
I am on your side man, trust me...

I was pointing out why KW made the trade, to excite the average fan.

Please. Give KW a bit more credit than that. He's not in marketing. He's making the move because he feels it will help the Sox team, not just to draw fans.

Harry Potter
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Anyone care to take me on a gentlemen's bet that Getz will never amount to anything?

Frankfan4life
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
This moves sucks. The sox already have enough guys who can't hit and field but they can hit the occasional HR. I wish Kenny would find someone who is not washed up.I agree. I've always loved KGJ but aquiring him this late in his career does not thrill me. But, I have no doubt that his desire to win a championship will elevate his play. I hope he will be enough of a contributor to help us down the stretch.

psyclonis
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
Anyway we could sign Bonds next??

Rockabilly
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
getting Griffey today reminds me alot the day we got Tom Seaver just because one of the true HOF will be playing for my fav team....

KRS1
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
The ONLY other idea I have and this is just 100000000% speculation, could Kenny be talking a trade for Dye now to get a starting pitcher?

This is only speculation, but not a flippin' chance.

Cangelosi CF
07-31-2008, 11:01 AM
The ONLY other idea I have and this is just 100000000% speculation, could Kenny be talking a trade for Dye now to get a starting pitcher?
Dye has been solid all year.

Brian26
07-31-2008, 11:02 AM
George Offman is such a Scrubs loyalist, its not even funny. This update he's doing right now hasn't had one positive note in it about the trade, yet Offman is the guy that proclaimed Nomar Garciaparra's acquisition in '04 was going to guarantee the Cubs a trip to the Series.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 11:02 AM
I am on your side man, trust me...

I was pointing out why KW made the trade, to excite the average fan.
I disagree strongly. That's making a move just for the sake of making a move. Griffey gives the Sox something better than Konerko and a pinch hitter better than anything we could have ever hoped for. The name value and added excitement from the excessive man-love of baseball fans is only a bonus.

Here's how the trade matches up:

Richar's potential for Griffey's insurance and bat this year
Masset's up-and-downness (that's not a word but whatever) for Griffey's name

I love this deal, from the baseball side and from the man-love side.

Brian26
07-31-2008, 11:02 AM
The standing O is for the guy who got rid of Masset! :smile:


LOL, awesome.

jabrch
07-31-2008, 11:03 AM
First thing I'd do after Junior gets off the plane is see if he can beat A.J. in a 30 yard dash. If he can, Junior hits second and A.J. moves down to sixth.

Great idea...Junior hitting ahead of Q should see a lot of hittable pitches.

Jurr
07-31-2008, 11:03 AM
That's pretty poisonous thinking. I'm not interested in rooting for 1998.
Exactly. We also had Robbie Alomar, which led to pfft.

Noneck
07-31-2008, 11:03 AM
Dye has a no trade clause for this year.
I rather move PK which also has one, so we shall see if anything else goes on.


Good luck

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 11:03 AM
That's pretty poisonous thinking. I'm not interested in rooting for 1998.

So he doesn't derserve a great welcome?
:rolleyes:

SoxGirl4Life
07-31-2008, 11:03 AM
George Offman is such a Scrubs loyalist, its not even funny. This update he's doing right now hasn't had one positive note in it about the trade, yet Offman is the guy that proclaimed Nomar Garciaparra's acquisition in '04 was going to guarantee the Cubs a trip to the Series.


You shouldn't be surprised. and you shouldn't listen to Offman for any length of time.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
Good luck

Didn't say it would happen, wishful thinking.

thomas35forever
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
That's pretty poisonous thinking. I'm not interested in rooting for 1998.
I had my doubts about Thome when KW acquired him. He turned out fine.

btrain929
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
I love the financials on this too - the Reds are copping for half the remainder of the salary, and half his '09 buyout. Although I could Jr. being our DH if Thome is let go after this year??

Do you have proof of the financials involved?

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
The ONLY other idea I have and this is just 100000000% speculation, could Kenny be talking a trade for Dye now to get a starting pitcher?

That would kill this team, not happening

Brian26
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
Stone thinks there's more to come today.

102605
07-31-2008, 11:04 AM
There are seriously people here complaining about this deal????

How does this not immediately improve the ballclub? I don't care about having the problem of trying to fit everyone in the lineup.

We got Griffey Jr AND CASH for Masset and Richar? Are you kidding? People are complaining?

13 time All Star
7 time Silver Slugger
1997 AL MVP
10 time Gold Glove Winner
608 Career HR
One of the best if not the best of this generation

Still complaining?:scratch:

Law11
07-31-2008, 11:05 AM
Maybe the hold up with Oak is KW is trying to work a trade for the Big Hurt.

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 11:05 AM
Do you have proof of the financials involved?

I think that's from the CBSSportsline article, don't know how accurate, but they had Richar and Masset first

DSpivack
07-31-2008, 11:05 AM
Stone thinks there's more to come today.

Swisher+? for Kyle Lohse?

Jurr
07-31-2008, 11:05 AM
Anyone care to take me on a gentlemen's bet that Getz will never amount to anything?
I'll put my Topps Jeremy Reed prospect card on it.

btrain929
07-31-2008, 11:05 AM
Anyone care to take me on a gentlemen's bet that Getz will never amount to anything?

I think he'll amount to around similar production of Richar. Which makes this trade fine with me.

PaleHoser
07-31-2008, 11:05 AM
I love the financials on this too - the Reds are copping for half the remainder of the salary, and half his '09 buyout.

If my math is right, Griffey could turn out to be a two month rental for $4M ($2M remaining salary, $2M buyout).

Be sure to bring that up to the next guy who calls the Sox "cheap".

amsteel
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
The way I see it, we don't lose anyone who has contributed to a thus far first place team, and have obtained someone who will be able to contribute productively for the next 3 months.

That being said, I would like to see another arm come our way.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
There are seriously people here complaining about this deal????

How does this not immediately improve the ballclub? I don't care about having the problem of trying to fit everyone in the lineup.

We got Griffey Jr AND CASH for Masset and Richar? Are you kidding? People are complaining?

13 time All Star
7 time Silver Slugger
1997 AL MVP
10 time Gold Glove Winner
608 Career HR
One of the best if not the best of this generation

Still complaining?:scratch:

Thanks!
I swear some people here just have no ****ing clue. They rather bitch and moan about EVERYTHING.

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
Ouch/LOL, anyone here that story on ESPN 1000, they called Masset at the hotel for his thoughts, and he had no clue on the trade/that we got Griffey, so the producer hung up because he didn't want to be "the guy" who told him he was involved.

Jurr
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
Swisher+? for Kyle Lohse?
Better not be. I dropped 200 bucks on a jersey. That would be the all time quickest "d'oh" on a jersey in my long history of jerseys.

PeoriaSoxFan
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
Stone thinks there's more to come today.

I have to believe there is a reliever coming. The pen was already shorthanded and now Masset is apparently gone. He has been bad since the all-star break, so maybe they were looking to send him out anyway, or leave Richard in the pen when Jose comes back.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 11:06 AM
Anyone care to take me on a gentlemen's bet that Getz will never amount to anything?
I'll take that bet easily. Getz is a quality UT man or better in the big leagues.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 11:07 AM
Ouch/LOL, anyone here that story on ESPN 1000, they called Masset at the hotel for his thoughts, and he had no clue on the trade/that we got Griffey, so the producer hung up because he didn't want to be "the guy" who told him he was involved.

I heard that. Gotta say it was nice of the producer not to be the one breaking the story to him.

FedEx227
07-31-2008, 11:07 AM
There are seriously people here complaining about this deal????

How does this not immediately improve the ballclub? I don't care about having the problem of trying to fit everyone in the lineup.

We got Griffey Jr AND CASH for Masset and Richar? Are you kidding? People are complaining?

13 time All Star
7 time Silver Slugger
1997 AL MVP
10 time Gold Glove Winner
608 Career HR
One of the best if not the best of this generation

Still complaining?:scratch:

Great. But what he did in the past doesn't mean a damn thing to 2008.

What if I said we acquired Willie Mays today. How can you complain?

22 time All Star
12 time Gold Glove Winner
660 Home Runs
One of the greatest players of all-time

Brian26
07-31-2008, 11:08 AM
Stone is speculating that Swisher might be headed back to Oakland since his contract is still pretty reasonable, with the Sox either getting Dusch or Street.

EuroSox35
07-31-2008, 11:08 AM
There are seriously people here complaining about this deal????

How does this not immediately improve the ballclub? I don't care about having the problem of trying to fit everyone in the lineup.

We got Griffey Jr AND CASH for Masset and Richar? Are you kidding? People are complaining?

13 time All Star
7 time Silver Slugger
1997 AL MVP
10 time Gold Glove Winner
608 Career HR
One of the best if not the best of this generation

Still complaining?:scratch:

All of those are great if we own a time machine, everything you listed means nothing this season. If we're going by that, then let's hurry up and get Big Frank back

102605
07-31-2008, 11:08 AM
Thanks!
I swear some people here just have no ****ing clue. They rather bitch and moan about EVERYTHING.

And I doubt Swisher/Konerko/Thome/Dye are going anywhere either. If anything I would guess that we might feed more minor leaguers away for another RP.

thomas35forever
07-31-2008, 11:08 AM
Stone is speculating that Swisher might be headed back to Oakland since his contract is still pretty reasonable, with the Sox either getting Dusch or Street.
I'd be fine with either pitcher.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 11:09 AM
Swisher+? for Kyle Lohse?
LOL

Lohse still sucks. Don't let his Jeff Weaver/Sidney Ponson Dave Duncan magic fool you. He's a loser and he sucks. And Ron Gardenhire thinks he's a tool as well.

Rocky Soprano
07-31-2008, 11:09 AM
Great. But what he did in the past doesn't mean a damn thing to 2008.

What if I said we acquired Willie Mays today. How can you complain?

22 time All Star
12 time Gold Glove Winner
660 Home Runs
One of the greatest players of all-time

And Nick and Richar were doing what for 2008?

wulfy
07-31-2008, 11:09 AM
All of those are great if we own a time machine, everything you listed means nothing this season. If we're going by that, then let's hurry up and get Big Frank back

1600+ career HRs in that lineup ... assuming Frank moves back to first. :cool:

Harry Potter
07-31-2008, 11:09 AM
I'll take that bet easily. Getz is a quality UT man or better in the big leagues.

You're on. Let's mark down today's date and we shall revisit it in the future...

skottyj242
07-31-2008, 11:10 AM
Two old time great athletes join Chicago in two days.
Brian McBride to the Fire
Griffey to the Sox.


Scotty Bowman to the Hawks.
Favre to the Bears.

Jurr
07-31-2008, 11:10 AM
Stone is speculating that Swisher might be headed back to Oakland since his contract is still pretty reasonable, with the Sox either getting Dusch or Street.
This is where all of those huge veteran contracts loaded with NTC's kill you. The Sox would have to lose a great young player with loads of potential (and a clubhouse savant) because he's the only guy we could move in this logjam. That would suck.

Optipessimism
07-31-2008, 11:10 AM
You're on. Let's mark down today's date and we shall revisit it in the future...
k

102605
07-31-2008, 11:11 AM
Great. But what he did in the past doesn't mean a damn thing to 2008.

What if I said we acquired Willie Mays today. How can you complain?

22 time All Star
12 time Gold Glove Winner
660 Home Runs
One of the greatest players of all-time

Sign him!!!! :D:

No, but I dont think Griffey is washed up. He has been hot lately and I think the chance to come into meaningful games might spark him some more.

Who knows but I dont see this as a "HIGH RISK" at all.

We add Griffey Jr. for Masset and Richar. I'm not high on Masset other than for a long reliever and Richar was buried on the depth chart now.

box013
07-31-2008, 11:11 AM
Stone is speculating that Swisher might be headed back to Oakland since his contract is still pretty reasonable, with the Sox either getting Dusch or Street.


I'd be shocked to see Swisher go anywhere this year. While he might be having a down year, his contract is favorable to the Sox and his true "grinder" persona is exactly what KW has always wanted for this team.

markopat
07-31-2008, 11:13 AM
George Offman is such a Scrubs loyalist, its not even funny. This update he's doing right now hasn't had one positive note in it about the trade, yet Offman is the guy that proclaimed Nomar Garciaparra's acquisition in '04 was going to guarantee the Cubs a trip to the Series.

George who?

Jjav829
07-31-2008, 11:13 AM
Great. But what he did in the past doesn't mean a damn thing to 2008.

What if I said we acquired Willie Mays today. How can you complain?

22 time All Star
12 time Gold Glove Winner
660 Home Runs
One of the greatest players of all-time

Well, how about looking at Griffey's most recent month of production, since that is the furthest from "the past."

.271/.386/.541/.927

Not bad.

jabrch
07-31-2008, 11:13 AM
Stone is speculating that Swisher might be headed back to Oakland since his contract is still pretty reasonable, with the Sox either getting Dusch or Street.

We'd have to get a lot more than 2 months of one of those guys for Swisher for , right? He has four more years at about 8mm per. I heard Stone earlier say this, but I'd have to guess there is more to it than just one of those guys.

Now both of them - that's a different story.

Lukin13
07-31-2008, 11:13 AM
There are seriously people here complaining about this deal????

How does this not immediately improve the ballclub? I don't care about having the problem of trying to fit everyone in the lineup.

We got Griffey Jr AND CASH for Masset and Richar? Are you kidding? People are complaining?

13 time All Star
7 time Silver Slugger
1997 AL MVP
10 time Gold Glove Winner
608 Career HR
One of the best if not the best of this generation

Still complaining?:scratch:



#1 Griffey is yet another slow, all or nothing slugger.

#2 Unless MLB is going to let us use four outfielders at once you cannot possibly think that Griffey in CF is a good idea. Griffey fanboys speak up and tell me where are going to play him.

Parrothead
07-31-2008, 11:14 AM
There are seriously people here complaining about this deal????

How does this not immediately improve the ballclub? I don't care about having the problem of trying to fit everyone in the lineup.

We got Griffey Jr AND CASH for Masset and Richar? Are you kidding? People are complaining?

13 time All Star
7 time Silver Slugger
1997 AL MVP
10 time Gold Glove Winner
608 Career HR
One of the best if not the best of this generation

Still complaining?:scratch:

Yes. .245 average, bad fielder, can't run

Noneck
07-31-2008, 11:14 AM
There has to be more coming. No way Jr. comes here to be a bench player (he wouldn't have accepted the deal), No way the Sox platoon Thome and Pk
(Thome is hitting LHP well), No way Sox bench Pk or Swish or platoon them.

Something else has to be in the works.

CHIsoxNation
07-31-2008, 11:14 AM
Buster Olney (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=3512752&name=mlb_trade_deadline) has a source that says there is a 1% chance that the A's make another move before the deadline. That's fine with me...I don't want Street or Duchscherer.