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South Side Irish
07-25-2008, 09:55 PM
Anyone have any idea who would/could complete this list? I believe Cecil Fieler was back in the early 90's, but that's just a thought. I remember watching TWIB and having them bring up that he was the first MVP to not make the ASG in a long time.

I know some may think this is a Baseball Discussions topic, but when it pertains to OUR Right fielder, it's right at home here in the Clubhouse.

:dye:

M-V-P! M-V-P!

Anyone think this is going to be like '83 where Fisk and Baines "split" the Sox MVP vote? Carlos and JD could do that again.

EDIT: I just looked up the MVP vote from 83 (http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/awards_1983.shtml), and it wasn't as close as I thought. Hell, Eddie Murray came in second, then Fisk. I thought Baines finished better than 10 this year.

BadBobbyJenks
07-25-2008, 09:56 PM
Did Chipper Jones?

Edit: I looked it up when he won the MVP in 1999 he was not an all star.

jabrch
07-25-2008, 09:56 PM
Anyone have any idea who would/could complete this list? I believe Cecil Fieler was back in the early 90's, but that's just a thought. I remember watching TWIB and having them bring up that he was the first MVP to not make the ASG in a long time.

I know some may think this is a Baseball Discussions topic, but when it pertains to OUR Right fielder, it's right at home here in the Clubhouse.

:dye:

M-V-P! M-V-P!

Anyone think this is going to be like '83 where Fisk and Baines "split" the Sox MVP vote? Carlos and JD could do that again.


What about MVPs who were not even going to be on the roster at opening day if it weren't for an injury?

South Side Irish
07-25-2008, 09:59 PM
What about MVPs who were not even going to be on the roster at opening day if it weren't for an injury?

Was almost Pujols in 2001. Bonds had one hell of a year that year, and Pujols ended up winning ROY unanimously for the first time in 50 years or something. Carlos certainly could do that. He's damn clutch, as JD is also. I'm just partial to Dye, that's all. Not that I mind either of them winning!

DSpivack
07-25-2008, 10:01 PM
I think Josh Hamilton probably wins MVP.

South Side Irish
07-25-2008, 10:05 PM
Did Chipper Jones?

Yes, he won in 99 without getting an ASG bid. Ed Sprague made it, though. :?:

I think Josh Hamilton probably wins MVP.

Think so? He's got TONS of RBI's in a hitters park on a loaded offense, but his team might finish in 3rd. Does that hurt him? I know he's the feel-good story, but he might not even be the MVP on his own team (Kinsler?).

Johnny Mostil
07-25-2008, 10:16 PM
Anyone have any idea who would/could complete this list?

No idea about an exhaustive list, but would it include Rollins last year and Morneau in '06?

hawkjt
07-25-2008, 10:54 PM
I can hardly imagine Hamilton not getting it if he gets like 150 RBIs..emotionally satisfying vote by those writers.
JD could really make an arguement right now. Homers like tonite just fill in the drama quotient. Carlos and JD have had the highlight hits this year and you could not pick between them. They willed the team to victory in that 9th inning in spectacular fashion. Split mvps right now.

DSpivack
07-25-2008, 11:09 PM
I can hardly imagine Hamilton not getting it if he gets like 150 RBIs..emotionally satisfying vote by those writers.
JD could really make an arguement right now. Homers like tonite just fill in the drama quotient. Carlos and JD have had the highlight hits this year and you could not pick between them. They willed the team to victory in that 9th inning in spectacular fashion. Split mvps right now.

Yes, he won in 99 without getting an ASG bid. Ed Sprague made it, though. :?:



Think so? He's got TONS of RBI's in a hitters park on a loaded offense, but his team might finish in 3rd. Does that hurt him? I know he's the feel-good story, but he might not even be the MVP on his own team (Kinsler?).

Kinsler is having a great year, as is Milton Bradley (I'd argue a slightly better season than Hamilton; higher batting average, on base percentage, and slugging; just hasn't been as healthy). But with the possibility of 150+ RBIs plus his story, I'd bet on Hamilton to win it as of right now. As for who I'd vote for and think is most deserving, I don't really know, no one seems to really stand out in the AL.

UofCSoxFan
07-25-2008, 11:15 PM
Hamilton will get consideration but while he has a lot of RBI, how many of those have been clutch, game winners? TCQ and Dye are doing it in a pennnant race.

K-Rod will get some consideration too, but outside of his saves, his other peripherals aren't even the best of closers this year. The MVP award is the Most Valuable Player. It isn't the Player of the Year. If a guy puts up monster stats for a team that goes no where, how valuable was he? Does the difference between 80 wins and 65 wins matter? No. If it's a Player of the Year award, then call it that, and then you could make a case for Hamilton.

WhiteSoxJunkie
07-27-2008, 10:54 PM
Frank Thomas didn't make the All Star team in 2000.

Oh wait...

South Side Irish
07-27-2008, 11:22 PM
Frank Thomas didn't make the All Star team in 2000.

Oh wait...

I don't think I'll ever get over the injustice. Though the porn-stache makes it a little more humorous, he still robbed Frank.

PushinWeight
07-28-2008, 12:00 AM
I want to say Kirk Gibson?

FedEx227
07-28-2008, 12:04 AM
Although undeserving, in fact not even the best MVP candidate on his team Josh Hamilton already has that award locked up, because he did drugs once before, not sure if you knew, but yeah he did drugs, then like came back and like overcame his addiction. Not sure if you guys knew that. True story. Believe it or not. Came back. Drugs. Back. Drugs. Tattoos.

Railsplitter
07-28-2008, 07:48 AM
The first modern MVP (chosen by Baseball Writers of America) , Phildeelphia A's pitcher wasn't an All-Star, of course, this was before there was an All-Star Game!

itsnotrequired
07-28-2008, 07:52 AM
Think so? He's got TONS of RBI's in a hitters park on a loaded offense, but his team might finish in 3rd. Does that hurt him? I know he's the feel-good story, but he might not even be the MVP on his own team (Kinsler?).

The chance of going to th epostseason definitely increases a player's chance. Dye would have been a serious contender in 2006 had the team not fizzled at the end.

hellview
07-28-2008, 08:01 AM
Morneau wasn't an All-Star in 2006 when he won the MVP.

fquaye149
07-28-2008, 08:20 AM
Think so? He's got TONS of RBI's in a hitters park on a loaded offense, but his team might finish in 3rd. Does that hurt him? I know he's the feel-good story, but he might not even be the MVP on his own team (Kinsler?).

MVP voters, aka baseball writers, are self-serving idiots.

If it comes down to a close vote, they'll give it to Hamilton just so they'll have feel-good columns to write the next day.

The MVP award has really pissed me off lately and I get the feeling it will piss me off even more this year.

fquaye149
07-28-2008, 08:22 AM
Morneau wasn't an All-Star in 2006 when he won the MVP.

Another funny thing about that year is that, additionally, Morneau wasn't an MVP that year.

And yet he still overcame both those obstacles to win MVP.

****ing MVP voters....

itsnotrequired
07-28-2008, 08:35 AM
Another funny thing about that year is that, additionally, Morneau wasn't an MVP that year.

And yet he still overcame both those obstacles to win MVP.

****ing MVP voters....

But imagine if he had been!

fquaye149
07-28-2008, 08:38 AM
But imagine if he had been!

Think of how many 1st place votes he would have gotten if he had actually been the best player on his team instead of the 4th best!!!!!

alohafri
07-28-2008, 09:00 AM
I'm not surprised is hasn't happened more often, especially since the advent of internet voting by the fans for the All-Star team. It used to be that you had to go to a game to vote for the All-Star team. If Berkman didn't have such a tremendous first half, a slumping Derrek Lee would have been the starter.

There is a large segment of the population that will vote for ANYONE who they see from their team on the ballot, whether they are worthy or not. Heck, this year's starting team could have been the Yankees/Red Sox vs. the Cubs!

Oblong
07-28-2008, 09:38 AM
I want to say Kirk Gibson?

Correct.

At one point he and Eric Karros had the most HR's by a guy to never make an ASG. I think Karros broke his "record". Don't know the status of it now.

skottyj242
07-28-2008, 09:57 AM
I don't think Jimmy Rollins was an All-Star last year.

daveeym
07-28-2008, 10:04 AM
The last month and a half of the season has a much bigger impact on MVP voting than anything done up until now. Hamilton stands a good chance but he's not chasing any records that I know of and the rangers won't be in the playoff hunt. What goes down from here on out will be much more important. Also a reason why you see so many MVP's that weren't allstars.

Dice
07-28-2008, 10:07 AM
Terry Pendleton in 1991 was another MVP who didn't make the all-star game. The great Chris Sabo started that game at 3rd.

areilly
07-28-2008, 11:45 AM
Terry Pendleton in 1991 was another MVP who didn't make the all-star game. The great Chris Sabo started that game at 3rd.

The eyewear along made Sabo a legend around my baseball card collection in the early 1990s.

PennStater98r
07-28-2008, 02:05 PM
Thought you might be intersted in this crap. Last night - I did not catch which person said it - but on baseball tonight when talking about Tatis, they said he was the best signing/trade on a team that was not expected (the player) to do anything. Then Kruk says - the best left fielder anyway. Hello - who here things that Tatis is having a better year than TCQ? Who here expected TCQ to have the year that he's having? Sit down please Kenny... ;)

Save McCuddy's
07-31-2008, 08:41 AM
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I want to say Kirk Gibson?


Correct.

At one point he and Eric Karros had the most HR's by a guy to never make an ASG. I think Karros broke his "record". Don't know the status of it now.



Actually, incorrect. Gibson never won an MVP. He did win the 1984 ALCS MVP, but Guillermo "Willie" Hernandez was the AL MVP that year.