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BadBobbyJenks
07-23-2008, 11:16 PM
Interesting topic brought up by the Brewers announcers tonight.

Let's just say Sabathia does not lose while pitching for the Brewers, does he deserve consideration for the NL Cy Young?

Why or Why not?

SBSoxFan
07-23-2008, 11:59 PM
Worked for Rick Sutcliffe.

eriqjaffe
07-24-2008, 12:00 AM
Worked for Rick Sutcliffe....and he lost a game!

SBSoxFan
07-24-2008, 12:04 AM
...and he lost a game!

Really? I don't remember that. What was it --- something like 16-1?

TDog
07-24-2008, 12:48 AM
Worked for Rick Sutcliffe.

That's exactly what I thought when I read the opening post.

Sutcliffe went 16-1 after going -- what was it 4-5 for the Indians? Sutcliffe had more starts than Sabathia got. I think the key was that the Cubs won the division and Sutcliffe was 16-1 after they traded for him. If Sabathia goes 15-0 for the Brewers and the Brewers win the division, it won't matter if there is a 20-game winner in the league.

WhiteSox5187
07-24-2008, 01:11 AM
That's exactly what I thought when I read the opening post.

Sutcliffe went 16-1 after going -- what was it 4-5 for the Indians? Sutcliffe had more starts than Sabathia got. I think the key was that the Cubs won the division and Sutcliffe was 16-1 after they traded for him. If Sabathia goes 15-0 for the Brewers and the Brewers win the division, it won't matter if there is a 20-game winner in the league.
What if that twenty game winner's team makes the playoffs too??? But yea, I'm thinking CC could pull off what Sutcliff did.

Hitmenof77
07-24-2008, 04:16 AM
That's exactly what I thought when I read the opening post.

Sutcliffe went 16-1 after going -- what was it 4-5 for the Indians? Sutcliffe had more starts than Sabathia got. I think the key was that the Cubs won the division and Sutcliffe was 16-1 after they traded for him. If Sabathia goes 15-0 for the Brewers and the Brewers win the division, it won't matter if there is a 20-game winner in the league.

That's true because when Sutcliffe won the NL Cy Young in 84, Andujar won 20 games for the Cardinals.

Railsplitter
07-24-2008, 06:19 AM
That's exactly what I thought when I read the opening post.

Sutcliffe went 16-1 after going -- what was it 4-5 for the Indians? Sutcliffe had more starts than Sabathia got. I think the key was that the Cubs won the division and Sutcliffe was 16-1 after they traded for him. If Sabathia goes 15-0 for the Brewers and the Brewers win the division, it won't matter if there is a 20-game winner in the league.
1.000 is a better winning percentage than .800.

Of course, it all depends on what the Cy Young voters think.

Jaffar
07-24-2008, 08:35 AM
Good question, I was thinking about this last night after his 3rd complete game for the brew crew.

ondafarm
07-24-2008, 09:24 AM
Considered? Yeah, sure. Not certain I would vote for him if there was a legit 20 game winner. As if I had a vote.

The Milkman
07-24-2008, 10:06 AM
Considered? Yeah, sure. Not certain I would vote for him if there was a legit 20 game winner. As if I had a vote.

He would definitely be considered...probably wouldn't win. But consideration--yes.

BadBobbyJenks
07-24-2008, 01:19 PM
What if he goes 10-0 and there are 18 game winners, but no twenty game winners.

lukeman89
07-24-2008, 04:11 PM
What if he goes 10-0 and there are 18 game winners, but no twenty game winners.

i'd rather have a guy with 18 wins than 10 wins!

the1tab
07-24-2008, 04:21 PM
on ESPN 1000 earlier today, I think it was Waddle that proposed that, if CC continues to pitch like he is, he would be the MVP of the National League.

In this year's NL, the Cy is more likely

PatK
07-24-2008, 05:31 PM
Sutcliffe was 4-5 with a 5.15 ERA in 15 starts before he went 16-1 with a 2.69 ERA in 20 games after being traded to the Cubs.

TDog
07-24-2008, 10:09 PM
Sutcliffe was 4-5 with a 5.15 ERA in 15 starts before he went 16-1 with a 2.69 ERA in 20 games after being traded to the Cubs.

Because Sutcliffe did it in another league, the first 15 starts were irrelevant. Sutcliffe won the award in large part because of the hype surrounded his season with the Cubs, who were supposed to win their first World Series since 1908. Steve Garvey and the San Diego Padres got in the way of those plans, of course.

Postseason awards are all about hype. You can talk about who is most deserving. Often the most deserving pitcher gets the most hype. But if the Brewers run away with the NL Central on the shoulders of Sabathia, it might not matter if someone deserves it more.

lukeman89
07-24-2008, 11:31 PM
lets say he played half the year in Cleveland, made 17 starts and went 15-1 with a 1.88 ERA and had 140 K's, then got traded to the brew crew, where he then proceeded to make another 17 starts and put up the same stats. should he win a cy young in both leagues?

Johnny Mostil
07-25-2008, 10:12 PM
on ESPN 1000 earlier today, I think it was Waddle that proposed that, if CC continues to pitch like he is, he would be the MVP of the National League.

In this year's NL, the Cy is more likely

I've always wondered whether Doyle Alexander should have been the AL MVP in '87. When he joined the Tigers, the team was 1.5 games in back of the Jays. He then went 9-0 with a 1.53 ERA and 1.01 WHIP--and the Tigers finished just 2.0 games in front of the Jays. He finished 13th in MVP voting (George Bell won it), and 4th in Cy Young voting (Roger Clemens, 20-9, 2.97 ERA, 1.18 WHIP, won it).

Yeah, in hindsight, maybe the Tigers shouldn't have given up Smoltz for him, but that was a helluva run . . .

WhiteSoxJunkie
07-27-2008, 11:18 PM
Is there a minimum innings pitched requirement to win the Cy Young like there's a minimum at bats requirement to win the batting title?