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TomBradley72
07-22-2008, 10:33 AM
Looking at the WSox hitting over the past 30 days...it's like a flip flop of April...with Ramirez and Thome getting hot and Crede and AJ cooling off.

With these batting averages over the past 30 days, what adjustments (if any) would you make?

Joe Crede- .189
Paul Konerko- .231
Orlando Cabrera- .234
Nick Swisher- .241
AJ- .247

spiffie
07-22-2008, 10:37 AM
Looking at the WSox hitting over the past 30 days...it's like a flip flop of April...with Ramirez and Thome getting hot and Crede and AJ cooling off.

With these batting averages over the past 30 days, what adjustments (if any) would you make?

Joe Crede- .189
Paul Konerko- .231
Orlando Cabrera- .234
Nick Swisher- .241
AJ- .247
None. These are all all-star caliber players who just need to get their strokes going. People love to piss their pants and bitch because a guy has a bad week or two. All of them will start hitting very soon, and then someone else will become the target of all the whining and moaning.

Mohoney
07-22-2008, 10:42 AM
There really is no adjustment that can be made, unless they want to put Swisher #2, which I thought might help him. Even with a low AVG, his OBP is still plenty respectable, and he has power from both sides of the plate. Plus, his main strong suit is his ability to work counts, and that could help Cabrera pick a pitch and run. I want Cabrera and Ramirez running practically every time they are on 1st with less than 2 out. If they get thrown out, so be it, but I think it's time to put the other team's catchers on their heels instead of the other way around.

itsnotrequired
07-22-2008, 10:44 AM
Paul Konerko- .231 - DFA
Orlando Cabrera- .234 - KILLED
Nick Swisher- .241 - JAILED
AJ- .247 - CHOKED

done

TomBradley72
07-22-2008, 10:53 AM
None. These are all all-star caliber players who just need to get their strokes going. People love to piss their pants and bitch because a guy has a bad week or two. All of them will start hitting very soon, and then someone else will become the target of all the whining and moaning.

I'm not pissing my pants...but we made adjustments in May after 4-5 weeks of this kind of stuff...I'd make some more....I'd rest OC more frequently and get Uribe a little playing time to keep OC fresher, and I'd move Ramirez up to the top of the order and AJ down in the order where he can drive in runs. I'd also rest Swisher a little bit more...I think CF wears him down and it impacts his hitting.

PaleHoser
07-22-2008, 10:53 AM
The posted averages for Konerko and Swisher are improvements from where they were a month ago. :whiner:

The Immigrant
07-22-2008, 10:54 AM
I'd move Ramirez up from the 9-hole, maybe even bat him leadoff. I'd give Cabrera a couple of days off. I'd swap A.J. and Swisher in the lineup, with Crede batting 9th.

kittle42
07-22-2008, 10:56 AM
I don't see how .241 is a slump for Swisher when he's pretty much at his average.

hi im skot
07-22-2008, 11:26 AM
done

Someone should have been flogged.

itsnotrequired
07-22-2008, 11:33 AM
Someone should have been flogged.

Herm - FLOGGED

TomBradley72
07-22-2008, 11:37 AM
Someone should have been flogged.

Flogging is for the bullpen.

getonbckthr
07-22-2008, 11:46 AM
Bounce Ramirez to leadoff, OC 2nd.

palehozenychicty
07-22-2008, 11:49 AM
Bounce Ramirez to leadoff, OC 2nd.

That's about all they can do. People have mentioned Swisher for his OBP, but he's also not good enough of a bat handler to hold up, in my mind. They're stuck with all these other guys until the offseason.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2008, 11:58 AM
Jab:

Shocking -- more losing.

Lip

WhiteSoxBlog
07-22-2008, 12:06 PM
Looking at the WSox hitting over the past 30 days...it's like a flip flop of April...with Ramirez and Thome getting hot and Crede and AJ cooling off.

With these batting averages over the past 30 days, what adjustments (if any) would you make?
Joe Crede- .189
Paul Konerko- .231
Orlando Cabrera- .234
Nick Swisher- .241
AJ- .247

I'd love to see them break up Konerko, Swish, And Crede in the lineup. If all three of them are a mess, then you just give the pitcher an easy inning. Bump up Ramirez, or better yet, move Konerko to 10

DumpJerry
07-22-2008, 12:37 PM
done
I guess you have a man crush on Crede.

102605
07-22-2008, 12:39 PM
I think a lineup shuffle is in order.

Cabrera needs to be #2, AJ further down the lineup.

Alexei Ramirez should be our leadoff hitter.

jabrch
07-22-2008, 12:51 PM
Jab:

Shocking -- more losing.

Lip

We have good timing...I deleted that right after I posted it - you grabbed it quickly. I hope you aren't implying that there is only bitching here when we lose...

#1swisher
07-22-2008, 01:29 PM
change the lineup...and keep adjusting it till it works or our bats start heating up

LoveYourSuit
07-22-2008, 02:36 PM
The Sox need a Michael Young type guy hitting 2nd in front of CQ. You want to know why J Hamilton is on pace to drive in over 150 runds this year, just look at last night's game. The guy (Young) drew a walk on a borderline pitch with 2 outs and bam a 3 run HR by Hamilton. That was the game right there.

I don't see that type of guy on our roster right now.

CQ needs more help from the top of the order.

thomas35forever
07-22-2008, 02:58 PM
All we can do is hope for the best. The lineup might be shuffled, but that's really all you can do with these guys.

Palehose Pete
07-22-2008, 03:46 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/flb/story?page=bigrotowski080722

I posted this on the mega-Paulie thread, but wanted to bring it everyone's attention as I believe that PK's numbers will start to come around based on this analysis. According to the article, PK has literally been the unluckiest hitter in baseball.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2008, 03:47 PM
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey

Lip

Palehose Pete
07-22-2008, 03:53 PM
No one can stay this unlucky for a whole season. Whenever PK hits a ball in play, his average is .238 vs a career average of .286. That's too big of a drop. Unless PK hit the wall very suddenly, his numbers will come around.

Frater Perdurabo
07-22-2008, 07:26 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/fantasy/baseball/flb/story?page=bigrotowski080722

I posted this on the mega-Paulie thread, but wanted to bring it everyone's attention as I believe that PK's numbers will start to come around based on this analysis. According to the article, PK has literally been the unluckiest hitter in baseball.

Maybe it's not bad luck.

Maybe opposing teams know exactly where he hits balls and position their defense accordingly.

Dan Mega
07-22-2008, 07:50 PM
None. These are all all-star caliber players who just need to get their strokes going. People love to piss their pants and bitch because a guy has a bad week or two. All of them will start hitting very soon, and then someone else will become the target of all the whining and moaning.

Exactly.

Some Sox fans will never be happy. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this team. I know I said this same thing in 2007, but that season never happened.

Huisj
07-22-2008, 08:42 PM
Maybe it's not bad luck.

Maybe opposing teams know exactly where he hits balls and position their defense accordingly.

Or maybe all he does is hit crappy popups on the infield. Those aren't luck, they're just bad swings. And they seem to happen a lot to him.

Frater Perdurabo
07-22-2008, 08:52 PM
Or maybe all he does is hit crappy popups on the infield. Those aren't luck, they're just bad swings. And they seem to happen a lot to him.

As do the grounders to the SS and 3B.

Gavin
07-22-2008, 10:57 PM
Konerko couldn't even hit a sac fly to save his life. You tell me if that's worrysome.

ChiSoxFan7
07-22-2008, 11:17 PM
Joe Crede- .189-----he's a streaky hitter. always has been, but he will always have his clutch stuff (hopefully...).
Paul Konerko- .231----- injuries will do this to you. give him time. he's the captain for a reason.
Orlando Cabrera- .233------ is defense makes this somewhat bearable but maybe he needs a day or two off to regain his focus.
Nick Swisher- .241 ----- he's platooning everywhere and his new toe tap that hawk his making a big deal of seems to be helping.
AJ- .247-----just a lil cold streak. give him a break
so the answer is we're in first. settle down. i know you always want to prepare in advance but don't make a flood out of a misting.

Tragg
07-22-2008, 11:45 PM
Swisher's struggling is overrated. He's a career .250 hitter who walks a lot and hits 20-30 homers.
This year he is walkinga lot, he's on his HR pace; the only difference is that he's .15 below his career average.

He's not that far away from exactly the kind of hitter he normally is.

Eddo144
07-23-2008, 10:42 AM
Swisher's AVG may be .241 over the last 30 days, but his OBP is .371. That means he makes an out only 62.9% of the time when he comes to the plate.

By comparison, Alexei Ramirez's OBP over that same time is .360, meaning he makes an out 64.0% of the time he comes to the plate. He's been more likely to make an out when he comes to bat than Swisher has.

AVG is not meaningless, but it's secondary to OBP.