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chisoxmike
07-21-2008, 10:02 PM
When we can pitch we can't hit, when we can hit we can't pitch.

Frater Perdurabo
07-21-2008, 10:04 PM
Discuss this abomination.

At least we're still in first place.

whitesox901
07-21-2008, 10:04 PM
...Second-half slide: 1-3

peeonwrigley
07-21-2008, 10:05 PM
Well, at least the fans only paid 1/2 price...

thomas35forever
07-21-2008, 10:05 PM
This past week-and-a-half has been 2007-esque. I can't believe we're still in first. We don't deserve it right now.

Blueprint1
07-21-2008, 10:05 PM
One run 2 out of the last 3 games. Royals and Rangers pitching at home.

rustysurf83
07-21-2008, 10:06 PM
I don't have a hard time seeing the Tigers firmly entrenched in the Division race come Monday if the Sox and Twins keep this **** up. The Twins finally start to **** the bed and what do the Sox do....**** THE BED!:angry:

PeteWard
07-21-2008, 10:06 PM
Bullpen is becoming a big worry.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:06 PM
Let me read from my list of therapy notes:

1. We are still in first place
2. Let's get them tomorrow.
3. Just tip your hat to the no name pitcher.

rustysurf83
07-21-2008, 10:07 PM
Bullpen is becoming a big worry.


Among other things

chisoxmike
07-21-2008, 10:07 PM
Well, at least the fans only payed 1/2 price...

Half the price, half the effort!

...
07-21-2008, 10:07 PM
One run 2 out of the last 3 games. Royals and Rangers pitching at home.

How come you're only here when we lose?

Sockinchisox
07-21-2008, 10:07 PM
Not good, get em tomorrow.

Epic post game show tonight I'm betting.

Rockabilly
07-21-2008, 10:07 PM
Well, at least the fans only payed 1/2 price...


I wish we can pay some of these players like PK half price

Cuck the Fubs
07-21-2008, 10:07 PM
Ugly.

Not much more to be said.

Mark has to be the stopper tomorrow, this division is going to be a battle to the end, and I think we'll have a real good idea of where this is all headed on the upcoming road trip.

russ99
07-21-2008, 10:08 PM
Well, at least the fans only payed 1/2 price...

I've actually passed on going tonight and tomorrow as well, because we're playing like garbage right now. Gotta tip my hat to Javy, he pitched well, finally.

Maybe it's time for Ozzie to flip out again. :rolleyes:

peeonwrigley
07-21-2008, 10:09 PM
How come you're only here when we lose?

Am I?

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:09 PM
Ugly.

Not much more to be said.

Mark has to be the stopper tomorrow, this division is going to be a battle to the end, and I think we'll have a real good idea of where this is all headed on the upcoming road trip.


It scares me that we have to send him out ther on 3 days rest ... I hope this is not desparation.

...
07-21-2008, 10:09 PM
Am I?

Uhhh, maybe? :dunno:

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:10 PM
If this team would like to start playing like a major league team any time soon, that would be just fine with me!!

Meanwhile we get shut down by a ****ing Double A pitcher. Jesus ****ing Christ. If we called up Broadway and had him throw BP to our guys he'd shut us down cold. We're pissing this ****ing division away.

cws05champ
07-21-2008, 10:10 PM
Maybe the theme for this 2nd half will be "Losing Ugly". Pathetic effort tonight by most. Javy pitched better than the result after one mistake to Hamilton.

Ohh...yeah, and a horrible strike zone by the ump.

TomBradley72
07-21-2008, 10:10 PM
I'm getting tired of staring at Swisher's .237 average and Konerko's .219...with Crede now in the .250's...it's the end of July not April/May, combined with sloppy defense and a bullpen allowing plenty of "add on" runs. We're not a very good baseball team right now and haven't been since Cleveland and their horrible bullpen left town three weeks ago.

JB98
07-21-2008, 10:10 PM
Ugly.

Not much more to be said.

Mark has to be the stopper tomorrow, this division is going to be a battle to the end, and I think we'll have a real good idea of where this is all headed on the upcoming road trip.

Agreed. We need to get it together before that road trip starts. We can sustain another loss or two to Texas, but a poor showing against Detroit and Minnesota could be devastating to our hopes.

Get well soon, JD. The lineup looks a lot weaker with Wise in there.

russ99
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
It scares me that we have to send him out ther on 3 days rest ... I hope this is not desparation.

Yeah, scares me too, but nowhere near as scared as I am if we keep playing like this in Minnesota.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
It scares me that we have to send him out ther on 3 days rest ... I hope this is not desparation.
Oh Jesus, we are sending Mark out there on three days rest? Three days rest in the middle of July usually doesn't spell out wonders for teams in the thick of a divisional race. This is bad. God ****ing dammit.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Our SP holding that offense to 3 runs in 7 IP, I would gurantee a win from a mile away.

EuroSox35
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/9906/kilbaneni1.jpg

peeonwrigley
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
Uhhh, maybe? :dunno:

I don't think so.

JB98
07-21-2008, 10:11 PM
I'm getting tired of staring at Swisher's .237 average and Konerko's .219...with Crede now in the .250's...it's the end of July not April/May, combined with sloppy defense and a bullpen allowing plenty of "add on" runs. We're not a very good baseball team right now and haven't been since Cleveland and their horrible bullpen left town three weeks ago.

Yeah, that 6-7-8 is a real drag on the offense right now. Wouldn't mind seeing a shakeup.

Konerko and Crede are killing us.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:12 PM
I'm getting tired of staring at Swisher's .237 average and Konerko's .219...with Crede now in the .250's...it's the end of July not April/May, combined with sloppy defense and a bullpen allowing plenty of "add on" runs. We're not a very good baseball team right now and haven't been since Cleveland and their horrible bullpen left town three weeks ago.
At least Swisher gets on, Crede is and always will be streaky, he might finish with a .270 something average and then get some ridiculous contract because of it, I'm sick of Paulie.

thomas35forever
07-21-2008, 10:12 PM
It scares me that we have to send him out ther on 3 days rest ... I hope this is not desparation.
Buehrle's on the mound tomorrow?? Where did this come from? I thought Masset or Richard was getting the ball.:scratch:

kitekrazy
07-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Another opportunity wasted to put some cushion between the Twins.

What's up with Logan? He's on a suckfest.

Javy pitched well enough to win.

Patrick134
07-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Twins lose so no harm done. Javy having a good outing was more important than getting a win tonight. good to see him back on track. get em tomorrow!!

kobo
07-21-2008, 10:13 PM
It scares me that we have to send him out ther on 3 days rest ... I hope this is not desparation.
If there is any pitcher I am comfortable with going on short rest it's Mark.

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:13 PM
Leadoff hitter has an OBP of a whopping .320.
2 hole hitter check in at .326.
Free swingers in holes 1 and 2 may equal Ozzieball but they also equal, by definition, frequent offensive droughts. (To be fair, Cabrera's got some patience, but he is having a bad year offensively)

And stop the Wise stuff. We've got all we can get out of this 1 tool player. That's like running Bukvich out there day after day.

sox1970
07-21-2008, 10:14 PM
I blame that *******, Lance Armstrong. :shrug:

thomas35forever
07-21-2008, 10:15 PM
Twins lose so no harm done. Javy having a good outing was more important than getting a win tonight. good to see him back on track. get em tomorrow!!
Isn't it better to get both?

EuroSox35
07-21-2008, 10:15 PM
...Second-half slide: 1-3

I'd rather have the count start when Konerko came back

It's Dankerific
07-21-2008, 10:15 PM
Get well soon, JD. The lineup looks a lot weaker with Wise in there.


Wise gave up 3 runs by himself today, and he's not even the pitcher. I can't fault his hitting because he's been sitting next to BA on the bench for 11 days too, but why the **** can't we have the best defender out there. Way to reward the hit with RISP from yesterday, since we have so much of that to ****ing waste.

kitekrazy
07-21-2008, 10:16 PM
Ugly.
I think we'll have a real good idea of where this is all headed on the upcoming road trip.

3rd place?

kobo
07-21-2008, 10:16 PM
Twins lose so no harm done. Javy having a good outing was more important than getting a win tonight. good to see him back on track. get em tomorrow!!
Javy having a good outing was important, but it's not more important than a win.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:16 PM
Twins lose so no harm done. Javy having a good outing was more important than getting a win tonight. good to see him back on track. get em tomorrow!!
No, there is harm done. We have had the chance now for two straight days to put ground between us and the ****ing Twins and have flopped both days. We should be up by 2.5 right now and could have potentially gone into to Minnesota with a lead big enough to ensure that even if the worst did happen and we got swept we'd still be in first, we don't and probably won't have that luxury. In fact, if we keep playing like this we're not going to be in first when we go to Minnesota.

southsideirish71
07-21-2008, 10:16 PM
Ozzie thinks our offense was good tonight. According to his postgame interview.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:17 PM
Question of the week it seems:

Where is Scott Linebrink?

Should we send a search team?


Maybe 8th inning action tonight would not have been bad or even the ninth?

His status scares me.

And then all we get from Coop at the Cork is arrogant ass answers from him.

Frater Perdurabo
07-21-2008, 10:17 PM
Where to start? Going into tonight's game:

Orlando Cabrera is hitting .207 in July;

AJ is hitting .245 in July;

Paulie is hitting .229 in July;

Swisher is hitting .235 in July;

Crede is hitting .200 in July.

Given who is hot and who is not, Ozzie ought to get his head out of his rear end and put Alexei, Thome and Dye (when he's ready to return) up higher in the order.

rustysurf83
07-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Twins lose so no harm done. Javy having a good outing was more important than getting a win tonight. good to see him back on track. get em tomorrow!!

The Twins aren't the only team in the Division, and its way way early to scoreboard watch, we need to win series. Losing to KC, I see it being very tough to get two in a row against Texas

JB98
07-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Buehrle's on the mound tomorrow?? Where did this come from? I thought Masset or Richard was getting the ball.:scratch:

Buehrle has a funeral to attend Wednesday, so he's gonna pitch tomorrow. Richard on Wednesday.

Frankie5Angels
07-21-2008, 10:18 PM
Twins lose so no harm done. Javy having a good outing was more important than getting a win tonight. good to see him back on track. get em tomorrow!!
:scratch:

Blueprint1
07-21-2008, 10:19 PM
How come you're only here when we lose?

I am not but you are.

EuroSox35
07-21-2008, 10:19 PM
Dear Hawk, please stop with the lame Chicago sports radio references that no one cares about, and the stupid awkward tone with the 20 Cubs score updates you do every game. Guess it makes it a lot more annoying during a slide

soltrain21
07-21-2008, 10:19 PM
We need some reinforcements.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:20 PM
If there is any pitcher I am comfortable with going on short rest it's Mark.


The way arm injuries are so frequent these days, Buehrle is a long term $$$ commitment we can't afford to lose.

thomas35forever
07-21-2008, 10:20 PM
Buehrle has a funeral to attend Wednesday, so he's gonna pitch tomorrow. Richard on Wednesday.
Seriously? Holy ****ing ****. I don't see tomorrow night's game ending well. Good thing I have radio matters to attend to.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:20 PM
Where to start? Going into tonight's game:

Orlando Cabrera is hitting .207 in July;

AJ is hitting .245 in July;

Paulie is hitting .229 in July;

Swisher is hitting .235 in July;

Crede is hitting .200 in July.

Given who is hot and who is not, Ozzie ought to get his head out of his rear end and put Alexei, Thome and Dye (when he's ready to return) up higher in the order.
I think Alexie should move up to the top half but we already have Thome and Dye hitting 4-5, unless you want to move them up to 3-4, but it's not like we can have them leading off.

Vernam
07-21-2008, 10:21 PM
At least Swisher gets on, Crede is and always will be streaky, he might finish with a .270 something average and then get some ridiculous contract because of it, I'm sick of Paulie.I'm generally not in favor of run-on sentences, but in this case, I'll make an exception. :thumbsup:

Get well soon, Jermaine!

Vernam

sox1970
07-21-2008, 10:22 PM
The Sox need a real leadoff hitter, and Konerko, Thome, and Swisher need to split playing time.

Soxman219
07-21-2008, 10:22 PM
Javy deserved better tonight. He only made one mistake despite the bad strike zone but it was enough. What got me more angry is how Josh Hamilton can run down those balls in center. I don't even want to go to Wednesday's game anymore. We'll probably get rocked while more no name Double A pitchers baffle the Sox hitters. Detriot is now in the rear view mirror people! They better turn this around before the 10 game road trip.:(:

peeonwrigley
07-21-2008, 10:23 PM
A little happier perspective:

Of all the 1st and 2nd place teams in the AL, only the Angels (7-3) are over .500 in their last 10.

Our Sox, the Red Sox, the Twins, and the Rangers are 5-5. Tampa is 3-7.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:23 PM
I think Rongey is getting nice money under the table from Paulie, He see's nothing wrong with him right now. Making solid contact?

Walking the Company Line I guess.

PS This is the first time I listen to the post game show all year, just to hear why it is everyone calls for prayers in favor of Rongey every night.

TomBradley72
07-21-2008, 10:24 PM
At least Swisher gets on, Crede is and always will be streaky, he might finish with a .270 something average and then get some ridiculous contract because of it, I'm sick of Paulie.

I can tolerate it when Swisher is at 1st...but when he's in CF...we're giving up a ton of defense for that .237 + walks he brings to the table.

Our pitching is the real problem (11th in the AL for July), but I'd like to see Ozzie go with round 2 of a line up shake up (round 1 was AJ and Quentin moving). Ramirez should be moved to the top of the order (we're not good enough to have a .314 hitter batting 9th), AJ down where he can drive in runs, and BA/Wise to need to be back in the mix.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:25 PM
A little happier perspective:

Of all the 1st and 2nd place teams in the AL, only the Angels (7-3) are over .500 in their last 10.

Our Sox, the Red Sox, the Twins, and the Rangers are 5-5. Tampa is 3-7.

I didin't know those 1st place teams were battling for our division lead.

Great, we have nothing to worry about then.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:25 PM
I'm generally not in favor of run-on sentences, but in this case, I'll make an exception. :thumbsup:

Get well soon, Jermaine!

Vernam
Yea I couldn't really think of how to properly punctuate that.

Blueprint1
07-21-2008, 10:25 PM
A little happier perspective:

Of all the 1st and 2nd place teams in the AL, only the Angels (7-3) are over .500 in their last 10.

Our Sox, the Red Sox, the Twins, and the Rangers are 5-5. Tampa is 3-7.

Yeah, no one is playing great right now. I just hope we can put it back together. It sucks that were starting to lose games at home. We have to pick it up on the road if we start to lose at home.

Frater Perdurabo
07-21-2008, 10:26 PM
Given the fact that the Sox do not have a true leadoff hitter on the roster, I'd go with:

Alexei
Cabrera
Thome
Dye
Quentin
Swisher
AJ
Crede
Paulie/BA/Wise

I don't want any crap about Paulie being too slow to hit ninth. He's sucking too much as a hitter to bat anywhere else.

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:27 PM
Where to start? Going into tonight's game:

Orlando Cabrera is hitting .207 in July;

AJ is hitting .245 in July;

Paulie is hitting .229 in July;

Swisher is hitting .235 in July;

Crede is hitting .200 in July.

Given who is hot and who is not, Ozzie ought to get his head out of his rear end and put Alexei, Thome and Dye (when he's ready to return) up higher in the order. Swisher's at least walking - he also has a .356 obp to go along with his .236 average. Let him bat 2nd to take the walk in front of Q.

I'd go
Alexei
Swisher
Dye
Quentin
Thome
etc.


And get Wise out of there.

peeonwrigley
07-21-2008, 10:28 PM
I didin't know those 1st place teams were battling for our division lead.

Great, we have nothing to worry about then.

Now through August are the dog days. Need to get through it in good enough shape and win the ****ing thing in September.

Not off to a good start in July, but neither are the other leaders in the AL.

And for the record, the Wild Card may very well come from the Central. Not worth looking at now, but its not like the Central exists in a vacuum.

LoveYourSuit
07-21-2008, 10:28 PM
Given the fact that the Sox do not have a true leadoff hitter on the roster, I'd go with:

Alexei
Cabrera
Thome
Dye
Quentin
Swisher
AJ
Crede
Paulie/BA/Wise

I don't want any crap about Paulie being too slow to hit ninth. He's sucking too much as a hitter to bat anywhere else.


Paulie is the worst of the bunch.

But Crede and Swisher are not too far behind.

Group those 3 guys 7-8-9 in the order.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:28 PM
Swisher's at least walking - he also has a .356 obp to go along with his .236 average. Let him bat 2nd to take the walk in front of Q.

I'd go
Alexei
Swisher
Dye
Quentin
Thome
etc.


And get Wise out of there.
If you're going to have Alexei leadoff you might as well have OC bat second. He's a great two hitter.

soxstarter
07-21-2008, 10:29 PM
Face it...the whole team is off their rhythm right now. What is going on with the coaching staff, the management.....whatever it is, it's all in their heads at this point. :scratch:

kitekrazy
07-21-2008, 10:29 PM
[quote=LoveYourSuit;1970898]I think Rongey is getting nice money under the table from Paulie, He see's nothing wrong with him right now. Making solid contact?
quote]

I agree with him. He is coming around. He and Crede swung at the first pitch with men on.

The ump behind the plate was very inconsistent for both teams but somehow the Rangers were able to hit.

Frater Perdurabo
07-21-2008, 10:31 PM
Swisher's at least walking - he also has a .356 obp to go along with his .236 average. Let him bat 2nd to take the walk in front of Q.

That's an interesting thought about having Swisher hit second. His plate patience might give Alexei opportunities to steal bases. So in that case, I'd go:

Alexei
Swish
Dye
Thome
Quentin
AJ
Cabrera (not a bad idea to get some speed in here)
Crede
Paulie/BA/Wise

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:31 PM
If you're going to have Alexei leadoff you might as well have OC bat second. He's a great two hitter.
If he's a "great" 2 hitter, he should have remained there.
why is he great? He looks extremely mediocre offensively in about every way to me.
I'd put Alexei in 1 or 2 in these circumstances....but he needs to learn the strike zone to be a great hitter. He got a walk tonight -woo hoo. But even with him swining at every ball on his shoetops or at his eyebrows, he's one of the better hitters on this team.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:31 PM
Face it...the whole team is off their rhythm right now. What is going on with the coaching staff, the management.....whatever it is, it's all in their heads at this point. :scratch:
Could another Ozzie tirade really hurt that much?

Frankie5Angels
07-21-2008, 10:31 PM
I would stick PK o the bench, and stick BA in CF the rest of the year. Let's see what he can do. He cannot be any worse at the plate than PK has been, and our defense improves in the outfield and at 1base with Swish

alexei
Oc
CQ
dye
thome
swish
aj
crede
ba

DickAllen72
07-21-2008, 10:31 PM
I'm getting tired of staring at Swisher's .237 average and Konerko's .219...with Crede now in the .250's...it's the end of July not April/May, combined with sloppy defense and a bullpen allowing plenty of "add on" runs. We're not a very good baseball team right now and haven't been since Cleveland and their horrible bullpen left town three weeks ago.
I agree.

Too many one dimensional players who aren't even producing in their dimension.

And now the pitching is faltering.

This team needs some kind of spark from the outside or from the minors. Barring a trade, maybe bring up Richar/Borgeous/Getz to play 2B, put Ramirez in CF, let Dye DH until his knee is 100%, and let Thome and Konerko share playing time to cut down on their PA's (Konerko's because he isn't producing, and Thome's to prevent his option from kicking in).

Soxman219
07-21-2008, 10:32 PM
Swisher's at least walking - he also has a .356 obp to go along with his .236 average. Let him bat 2nd to take the walk in front of Q.

I'd go
Alexei
Swisher
Dye
Quentin
Thome
etc.


And get Wise out of there.

Why can't BA start more games at CF.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:34 PM
If he's a "great" 2 hitter, he should have remained there.
why is he great? He looks mediocre offensively in about every way to me.
He can bunt, take the ball the other way, move guys over...to be a good number two hitter, you're really dependent on the leadoff guy to get on, and when Swisher was our leadoff guy he just wasn't getting on which makes it harder for a two hitter to move a guy over. Also Swisher's speed is less than spectacular which again makes it harder to move a guy over on something like a bunt or to have him swipe second to put him to scoring position so the two hitter can drive him in.

...
07-21-2008, 10:40 PM
I'm an idiot.

I agree

Lip Man 1
07-21-2008, 10:41 PM
Another bad effort tonight against a mediocre team and an unknown pitcher.

This slide is starting to get serious.

Lip

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:41 PM
He can bunt, take the ball the other way, move guys over...to be a good number two hitter, you're really dependent on the leadoff guy to get on, and when Swisher was our leadoff guy he just wasn't getting on which makes it harder for a two hitter to move a guy over. Do you really think that the Sox would be better of bunting or making some other intentional out in front of Quentin, Thome and Dye? I'd say that's pretty close to the last thing the 2 hole hitter should be doing. O

That was Ozzie's idea for 2007 - Pods gets on, then Erstad could make an out where Ozzie told him to. The result was baseball's worst O.

1 and 2 hole hitters need to get on base. Cabrera's not very good at that (but who is? I have no objection to him where he is)

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:43 PM
Why can't BA start more games at CF.
I agree. Great D and developing a young player. Ozzie prefers playing the mediocre-bad veterans to the young ace defender who could improve. Wise out there is bizarre

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Do you really think that the Sox would be better of bunting or making some other intentional out in front of Quentin, Thome and Dye? I'd say that's pretty close to the last thing the 2 hole hitter should be doing. O

That was Ozzie's idea for 2007 - Pods gets on, then Erstad could make an out where Ozzie told him to. The result was baseball's worst O.

1 and 2 hole hitters need to get on base. Cabrera's not very good at that.
I think right now the Sox should be trying to score as many runs as they can, if that means moving a guy over, then move him over. I'm not saying we sac bunt a guy over to second, I'm saying that we do more things like a hit and run, steal bases. Do things to make a pitcher and a defense nervous. Do something that results in them throwing us more fastballs. It didn't work in '07 but it sure as hell worked in '05.

JB98
07-21-2008, 10:44 PM
Let's talk about BA some more!

Seriously, guys, we would have lost tonight even if Anderson had played. I know that's hard to believe.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:45 PM
I agree. Great D and developing a young player. Ozzie prefers playing the mediocre-bad veterans to the young ace defender who could improve. Wise out there is bizarre
**** as far back as yesterday people were saying Wise should have been hitting in the eighth instead of BA, now after one start by Wise in CF BA is our savior.

Having said that, BA is the better CFer and player than Wise.

It's Dankerific
07-21-2008, 10:49 PM
**** as far back as yesterday people were saying Wise should have been hitting in the eighth instead of BA, now after one start by Wise in CF BA is our savior.

Having said that, BA is the better CFer and player than Wise.

In all honesty, i don't think those are the same people =)

and jb98, you save 3 runs from this game, and who knows what would have happened..

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:49 PM
Let's talk about BA some more!

Seriously, guys, we would have lost tonight even if Anderson had played. I know that's hard to believe.
And the Sox would have lost if Konerko or Swisher or Cabrera had 3 hits or if any number of things had been different.

The field management has lots of patience with bad veterans. (especially as compared to struggling young players). That costs this team games the long run. In that theme, isn't it time to Getz or Richar up here?

Soxman219
07-21-2008, 10:51 PM
Let's talk about BA some more!

Seriously, guys, we would have lost tonight even if Anderson had played. I know that's hard to believe.

I know that, but he's the best CF on this team period. BA at least would have made a better play on the blooper Murphy hit. Put Swisher on first and we got the team that was hot before we went to KC. Just bench Konerko, did you see how angry he got after he struck out in the 9th. He's confused out there and will only hold this team back. BA can't do any worse that PK is doing right now.

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:53 PM
And the Sox would have lost if Konerko or Swisher or Cabrera had 3 hits or if any number of things had been different.

The field management prefers mediocre veterans over young players (specifically bad veterans over struggling young players). That costs this team games. In that theme, isn't it time to Getz or Richar up here?
And take the place of WHO? You want a guy who .230 last year to replace a guy who is hitting .310? No, neither Richar nor Getz is the answer for this team. Unless they can pitch, they're not what this team needs.

Tragg
07-21-2008, 10:54 PM
**** as far back as yesterday people were saying Wise should have been hitting in the eighth instead of BA, . I read that nonsense on the scoreboard. And after half of the sages were hollering "automatic double play" "why is he in the game" he proceeed to get yet another clutch hit (he's had several recently). After that, the responses were "the idiot threw him a fastball" - as if the hit really didn't count. (What hitter doesn't hit fastballs as their bread and butter?)
I know that wasn't you, but what am I supposed to say to that level of wisdom?
It didn't make any difference in today's game. But he is the better player right now. And he could improve. Why is he sitting for Wise? That's crazy.

JB98
07-21-2008, 10:55 PM
In all honesty, i don't think those are the same people =)

and jb98, you save 3 runs from this game, and who knows what would have happened..

We would have lost.

:deadhorse:

WhiteSox5187
07-21-2008, 10:56 PM
I read that nonsense on the scoreboard. And after half of the sages were hollering "automatic double play" "why is he in the game" he proceeed to get yet another clutch hit (he's had several recently). After that, the responses were "the idiot threw him a fastball" - as if the hit really didn't count. (What hitter doesn't hit fastballs as their bread and butter?)
I know that wasn't you, but what am I supposed to say to that level of wisdom?
It didn't make any difference in today's game. But he is the better player right now. And he could improve. Why is he sitting for Wise? That's crazy.
Well, I was commenting on how our opinion of BA changes from day to day collectively as a whole on WSI...I also said though that BA is a vastly better CFer and player to Wise. Maybe Ozzie just wanted that left handed bat out there?

It's Dankerific
07-21-2008, 10:58 PM
We would have lost.

:deadhorse:

Yeah, its not like there would have been a different texas pitcher in for the ninth inning. one, that perhaps, we would have been emotionally charged to come in ready to hit.

Yeah, thats not even considering whatever offense he might have added to the mix.

We might have won, we might have lost. The difference is, we would have had a BETTER chance to win.

MCHSoxFan
07-21-2008, 11:09 PM
Buehrle's on the mound tomorrow?? Where did this come from? I thought Masset or Richard was getting the ball.:scratch:

Masset is pitching tomorrow. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=cws

Oh, and, this was a complete **** game. So was the past two. :mad:

Sockinchisox
07-21-2008, 11:12 PM
Masset is pitching tomorrow. http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/index.jsp?c_id=cws

Oh, and, this was a complete **** game. So was the past two. :mad:

No he's not Buehrle is, his grandfather passed away and he needs to attend the funeral on Wednesday.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080721-clayton-richard-chicago-white-sox,1,6452315.story

kittle42
07-21-2008, 11:13 PM
God ****ing damn all your people and your ****ing BA discussion. Talk about the ****ing major problems on this team and not something that will be moot as soon as Dye is back in the lineup.

Grow the **** up and get over it.

Cuck the Fubs
07-21-2008, 11:16 PM
God ****ing damn all your people and your ****ing BA discussion. Talk about the ****ing major problems on this team and not something that will be moot as soon as Dye is back in the lineup.

Grow the **** up and get over it.

:bandance: Thank you very much :bandance:

Unless BA can pitch he doesn't solve jack ****.

Enough about this guy already for god sake :angry:

MCHSoxFan
07-21-2008, 11:17 PM
No, there is harm done. We have had the chance now for two straight days to put ground between us and the ****ing Twins and have flopped both days. We should be up by 2.5 right now and could have potentially gone into to Minnesota with a lead big enough to ensure that even if the worst did happen and we got swept we'd still be in first, we don't and probably won't have that luxury. In fact, if we keep playing like this we're not going to be in first when we go to Minnesota.

Thank you!!! This is EXACTLY why I am so ****ing mad! Most fans in the stadium by me the past 3 games don't realize why these games are so very important. I mean, yes, I want to win every game, especially the ones I attend which is almost half of the entire season. They will not go 162-0. Anyways, my point is these games are extremely important so we have a good lead going into MIN and even, unfortunately DET!!! I say, most likely, this upcoming MIN series will MAKE or BREAK our entire season. Yes, we can win the series and blow the division later or we could get swept there and we could still win the division. I just doubt those things will happen. I really do believe that series will MAKE or BREAK out season.

It's Dankerific
07-21-2008, 11:18 PM
God ****ing damn all your people and your ****ing BA discussion. Talk about the ****ing major problems on this team and not something that will be moot as soon as Dye is back in the lineup.

Grow the **** up and get over it.

Why the **** does it bother you so much what other people discuss?

Cuck the Fubs
07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
Why the **** does it bother you so much what other people discuss?

Because every game they lose, BA would have saved the day. :rolleyes:

Hey I like Anderson too, but enough with that nonsense already.

MCHSoxFan
07-21-2008, 11:20 PM
:bandance: Thank you very much :bandance:

Unless BA can pitch he doesn't solve jack ****.

Enough about this guy already for god sake :angry:

Thank you very much too!!! 1 row in front of me and about 4-5 seats over there was 4 men saying Wise is complete **** and BA would have made that throw home. Also, when Wise almost hit a HR, they said BA would have made it a HR. STOP IT...PLEASE!!!!

MCHSoxFan
07-21-2008, 11:22 PM
Because every game they lose, BA would have saved the day. :rolleyes:

Hey I like Anderson too, but enough with that nonsense already.

Yep! EXACTLY!!! Hell, if Paulie could hit, if we did not give up a 3-run HR, if we didn't make those errors, etc. ALL OF THIS MAKES UP A LOSS!!! The fact that BA did not play really has nothing to do with it. Those things means MORE!!!

MCHSoxFan
07-21-2008, 11:24 PM
No he's not Buehrle is, his grandfather passed away and he needs to attend the funeral on Wednesday.

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/whitesox/cs-080721-clayton-richard-chicago-white-sox,1,6452315.story

Anyways, I know MB's grandfather died. MB was going to pitch in WED, NOT tomorrow. So, Masset is filling in for JC.

I see. MB is not pitching this series then. So, who is pitching the next 2 games in order?

It's Dankerific
07-21-2008, 11:27 PM
Because every game they lose, BA would have saved the day. :rolleyes:

Hey I like Anderson too, but enough with that nonsense already.

Thank you very much too!!! 1 row in front of me and about 4-5 seats over there was 4 men saying Wise is complete **** and BA would have made that throw home. Also, when Wise almost hit a HR, they said BA would have made it a HR. STOP IT...PLEASE!!!!


BA can catch and throw the ball. He certainly would have made the throw home, but i doubt the rangers send the runner with BA in CF anyways.

Ozzie can fix half the bitching all of the time, but he cant fix all the bitching half of the time. (by playing/not playing BA).

I'd say though, I think the bitching about BA's offense would be alot less than what you get seeing countless defensive occurences that BA would cure.

Sockinchisox
07-21-2008, 11:27 PM
Anyways, I know MB's grandfather died. MB was going to pitch in WED, NOT tomorrow. So, Masset is filling in for JC.

I see. MB is not pitching this series then. So, who is pitching the next 2 games in order?

Buehrle is pitching tomorrow, Richard is pitching on Wednesday.

kittle42
07-21-2008, 11:38 PM
Why the **** does it bother you so much what other people discuss?

There are better things to talk about, and every thread that begins with a discussion of actual significant issues on this team ends with a discussion of the 4th OF. It's just plain silly.

So why do I care? Because I'm a Sox fan who wants to be proud of Sox fans. And I find the continued BA discussion moronic, no matter what "side" of this debate one is on.

RockJock07
07-21-2008, 11:40 PM
I'm getting tired of staring at Swisher's .237 average and Konerko's .219...with Crede now in the .250's...it's the end of July not April/May, combined with sloppy defense and a bullpen allowing plenty of "add on" runs. We're not a very good baseball team right now and haven't been since Cleveland and their horrible bullpen left town three weeks ago.

I really felt like this was a stretch where the sox could put some distance between them and the rest of the division. 12 games vs. KC and TEX, and they go 4-6 with the possiblity of it getting worse.

I'm glad you brought up Crede. He's still giving good production but this season has shown me that he's not worth the money he's going to get this off-season. I wanted to be proven wrong but he's a above-average player maybe even good but not great, and certainly not a top-shelf player.

I'm taking comfort in the fact that this team may rise to the occasion and ramp it up next week when they go to Det for 3 and Minny for 4. If not, that could be a very, very bad road trip. The Tigers are primed for breaking out, 19 runs tonight vs. KC.

I sure hope the sox can find it here, go on this road trip and send a message, but at this point, what's really going in a positive direction right now? Getting shut down by a AA pitcher is inexcusable, tonight was probably in the top 3 of worst losses this season.

JB98
07-21-2008, 11:51 PM
There are better things to talk about, and every thread that begins with a discussion of actual significant issues on this team ends with a discussion of the 4th OF. It's just plain silly.

So why do I care? Because I'm a Sox fan who wants to be proud of Sox fans. And I find the continued BA discussion moronic, no matter what "side" of this debate one is on.

Amen. I don't want to talk about various hits that BA supposedly "would have had" every time we lose.

We got our asses kicked every which way but sideways tonight. It's just damn foolish to talk about .230-hitting fourth outfielders constantly.

Our .220-hitting first baseman and our suddenly leaky bullpen are bigger worries than anything DeWayne Wise did or did not do in tonight's game.

Droso5
07-22-2008, 12:03 AM
Well that game was surely no fun for all involved!

Even So I will stay well into the Positive Camp, but it sure is getting lonely in here.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2008, 12:03 AM
You look at Javy and you just shake your head. The guy has electric stuff, he pretty consistently strikes out six, seven, ten guys and doesn't seem to give up a lot of hits.

Yet the past two months he's giving up four, five, six runs a start....it just doesn't figure to me. Another way the stat geeks at BP are wrong, they always talk about having to have a lot of strike out guys on your team if you want to win.

Well Javy strikes out a ton of guys and career-wise he's mediocre at best.

Lip

Droso5
07-22-2008, 12:25 AM
The scary parts that in maybe a month or so the White Sox could be looking up at both the Twins and Tigers....

soxfandy
07-22-2008, 12:29 AM
I'm just hoping KW has some trade in mind. After watching this team day in and day out, I just don't think we have what it takes. Plus this team would be very tough to watch in the playoffs. We need to try a new lineup and need one more pitcher.

Try a lineup of:

Cabrera
Swisher
Quentin
Dye
Thome
Alexei
AJ
Konerko
Crede

We need someone with patience batting 2nd. AJ swings at the first pitch every single time. I know he has the better batting average, but I rather see men on base for Quentin and Dye. Who knows maybe Swisher will get some better pitches batting 2nd.

Then bat Alexei behind the big three since he is our best pure hitter. Atleast he will go up there and be aggressive with me RISP. I can't watch paulie take strike after strike anymore.

AJ is more suited to drive in runs at the bottom of the order. Paulie just sucks (should be benched, but he never will) and Crede is really streaky. He will carry us for about a week and then not do a damn thing for about 2-3 weeks.

Please I hope we do something. I just don't have faith in this team. If we play like we have since the all star break, there is no doubt in my mind that we will come out of the twins series in third place.

Jerome
07-22-2008, 12:35 AM
streaky ****ing team

It's tough for me to get too high on this team, so right now I don't want to get too low.

I am however tired of all the no-name pitchers who not only succeed but shut this offense down.

Nellie_Fox
07-22-2008, 01:01 AM
About the only positive for me tonight was that for some reason the Extra Innings channel that was scheduled to have the Sox game on tonight had an error message all evening. Games were on all the other channels, but I got nothing. Never happened before.

kevingrt
07-22-2008, 05:30 AM
streaky ****ing team

It's tough for me to get too high on this team, so right now I don't want to get too low.

I am however tired of all the no-name pitchers who not only succeed but shut this offense down.

It's been so flipping annoying for the last ten years now (minus 05-06) on how poorly Sox face no name or young inexperienced pitchers. I just cannot understand it.

And right now is the lowest I have been on this team all season. I know it seems like they can flip the switch on anytime they want but for some reason I just don't feel really good about it right now. This is getting ugly and needs to be turned around quickly.

oeo
07-22-2008, 07:29 AM
You look at Javy and you just shake your head. The guy has electric stuff, he pretty consistently strikes out six, seven, ten guys and doesn't seem to give up a lot of hits.

Yet the past two months he's giving up four, five, six runs a start....it just doesn't figure to me. Another way the stat geeks at BP are wrong, they always talk about having to have a lot of strike out guys on your team if you want to win.

Well Javy strikes out a ton of guys and career-wise he's mediocre at best.

Lip

Javy made one mistake yesterday. :dunno:

The biggest concern, once again, is this bullpen. How many times are they going to put the game out of reach? This is starting to look eerily like when the bullpen started to implode last year. Someone needs to step up and stabilize it before things get out of hand again. I'm looking at you, Linebrink.

palehozenychicty
07-22-2008, 08:52 AM
Javy made one mistake yesterday. :dunno:

The biggest concern, once again, is this bullpen. How many times are they going to put the game out of reach? This is starting to look eerily like when the bullpen started to implode last year. Someone needs to step up and stabilize it before things get out of hand again. I'm looking at you, Linebrink.


Other that the shot to Hamilton, he threw the ball well enough to win. But a horrible offense and bullpen did us in. What can you say? Some people thought that we would run away and hide with these games against KC/TEX, but the Rangers, especially, have some quality players. It's the Royals losses at home that I don't like much. Well, move on to today and get a game. That's it.

TomBradley72
07-22-2008, 09:27 AM
I am now in the Swisher at 1B, Anderson in CF camp. We HAVE to shore up our defense...to help the pitching staff and minimize the times they have to pitch over an error or a bloop that drops in the OF that BA could have reached but Swisher could not. I'm tired of watching Crede's record setting error pace, Cabrera's flops with the ball going under his glove, Alexei's hot dog errors...our defense is the one thing that should be consistent. Our pitching staff is gasping for air...we need to put defense 1st for a while.

Noneck
07-22-2008, 09:30 AM
Someone needs to step up and stabilize it before things get out of hand again. I'm looking at you, Linebrink.

Linebrink? Oh yea I remember him, he is the setup man that hasn't pitched in the last 9 games but has been taking up a roster spot.

oeo
07-22-2008, 09:31 AM
I am now in the Swisher at 1B, Anderson in CF camp. We HAVE to shore up our defense...to help the pitching staff and minimize the times they have to pitch over an error or a bloop that drops in the OF that BA could have reached but Swisher could not. I'm tired of watching Crede's record setting error pace, Cabrera's flops with the ball going under his glove, Alexei's hot dog errors...our defense is the one thing that should be consistent. Our pitching staff is gasping for air...we need to put defense 1st for a while.

:scratch:

Alexei is still very raw. You're going to see some amazing plays, and you're going to see some very bad ones. That's why he has no business sliding over to SS this year (for those that want Cabrera traded).

Give him some time, he will get consistently better.

TomBradley72
07-22-2008, 09:37 AM
:scratch:

Alexei is still very raw. You're going to see some amazing plays, and you're going to see some very bad ones. That's why he has no business sliding over to SS this year (for those that want Cabrera traded).

I know...just venting. I've been a huge Alexei fan from early in spring training.

Every season has a down stretch/month. The Sox just have to fight through this minimizing the damage. With the exception of Buehrle, Thome and maybe Quentin...no one is having a good month. Starters and bullpen have sucked. AJ, Crede, Swisher, Cabrera, Konerko have sucked as well. Dye and Ramirez have been OK.

oeo
07-22-2008, 09:57 AM
I know...just venting. I've been a huge Alexei fan from early in spring training.

Every season has a down stretch/month. The Sox just have to fight through this minimizing the damage. With the exception of Buehrle, Thome and maybe Quentin...no one is having a good month. Starters and bullpen have sucked. AJ, Crede, Swisher, Cabrera, Konerko have sucked as well. Dye and Ramirez have been OK.

Dye and Ramirez are actually both having very good months. Ramirez has a .905 OPS and is batting .370 in July...second straight month of .355+. Dye has a 1.003 OPS, and is batting .333.

As for our starters, they've mostly been fine. Javy has been inconsistent, Contreras has been terrible, but that's it. Buehrle has been fine, same with Floyd (just that one hiccup in Texas), and Danks has been great (one bad start doesn't change that).

turners56
07-22-2008, 11:03 AM
I don't know about some of you, but I'm starting to lose faith in this team. Not because we're slumping, but because of our injuries and our lack of a real fifth starter for now.

Mohoney
07-22-2008, 11:09 AM
I don't know about some of you, but I'm starting to lose faith in this team. Not because we're slumping, but because of our injuries and our lack of a real fifth starter for now.

Our 5th starter is not going to make or break this for us. Anything above .500 is gravy from a 5th starter.

This bullpen better shape up real fast, though. They have been MIA for a while now. It's time to get back to where we were the first 3 months of this year.

We need 1st half Scott Linebrink to come back. Ditto Boone Logan.

oeo
07-22-2008, 11:37 AM
Our 5th starter is not going to make or break this for us. Anything above .500 is gravy from a 5th starter.

This bullpen better shape up real fast, though. They have been MIA for a while now. It's time to get back to where we were the first 3 months of this year.

We need 1st half Scott Linebrink to come back. Ditto Boone Logan.

Have we even seen "2nd half" Linebrink yet?

southside rocks
07-22-2008, 11:38 AM
I went to the game last night and I must say, the 39,000 fans there deserved better baseball than the Sox played.

I was 7-0-1 (the 1 being the Baltimore game, which is in limbo) at Sox games this year until they sent the corpseball crew onto the field last night. High point of the game for me: I switched my cell service to US Cellular and got a MotoRazr2 for a penny.

The less said about the bottom of the ninth, the better. And why didn't the Home Run Derby ruin Josh Hamilton's swing?!

Lip Man 1
07-22-2008, 12:07 PM
Oeo:

And the "excuse" for Javy for the last two months has been what exactly? That's my point, he has great stuff, he strikes out a ton of guys, he doesn't allow a lot of hits.

Yet he keeps losing games. It just doesn't add up.

Seems he's making "one mistake" a game and every single time it's killing him. That appears to be his M.O.

And I was trying to find this yesterday. I got it this morning:

Boone Logan's last five outings: 2 2/3 innings, 10 hits, eight earned runs.

Now THAT'S the Boone Logan we all know and love. Was his first half a "fluke"? Is the "normal" Boone Logan finally appearing?

Time will tell I guess.

Lip

doublem23
07-22-2008, 12:09 PM
Oeo:

And the "excuse" for Javy for the last two months has been what exactly? That's my point, he has great stuff, he strikes out a ton of guys, he doesn't allow a lot of hits.

Yet he keeps losing games. It just doesn't add up.

Seems he's making "one mistake" a game and every single time it's killing him. That appears to be his M.O.


The fact that the Sox scored 1 run against Scott Feldman is all Javier's fault.

JB98
07-22-2008, 12:13 PM
Our pitching staff is really going through a bad stretch right now.

Contreras is on the DL. Jenks just came off the DL. Linebrink hasn't seen the mound in two weeks because of "fatigue" or whatever. Vazquez pitched well last night, but he's pretty clearly been going through a dead-arm phase. Floyd has lost his consistency. Logan and Masset are absolute gasoline cans. Even Thornton, who has been a pleasant surprise this year, has had a couple ineffective outings as of late.

Add that to the poor defense, and you've got a stretch where you lose six out of eight. Pitching and defense set the tone, and the Sox are setting a bad tone right now.

I know everyone points at the offense, but 12-11 and 8-7 losses are the result of the inability to prevent runs, plain and simple.

Lip Man 1
07-22-2008, 12:24 PM
Double:

And again I ask what's the "excuse" for the last TWO months?

Lip

Noneck
07-22-2008, 12:26 PM
Our pitching staff is really going through a bad stretch right now.

Contreras is on the DL. Jenks just came off the DL. Linebrink hasn't seen the mound in two weeks because of "fatigue" or whatever. Vazquez pitched well last night, but he's pretty clearly been going through a dead-arm phase. Floyd has lost his consistency. Logan and Masset are absolute gasoline cans. Even Thornton, who has been a pleasant surprise this year, has had a couple ineffective outings as of late.

Add that to the poor defense, and you've got a stretch where you lose six out of eight. Pitching and defense set the tone, and the Sox are setting a bad tone right now.

I know everyone points at the offense, but 12-11 and 8-7 losses are the result of the inability to prevent runs, plain and simple.


Let us also not forget that in his last 3 outings Danks has pitched 17.3 innings and has given up 12 earned runs.

oeo
07-22-2008, 12:34 PM
Our pitching staff is really going through a bad stretch right now.

Contreras is on the DL. Jenks just came off the DL. Linebrink hasn't seen the mound in two weeks because of "fatigue" or whatever. Vazquez pitched well last night, but he's pretty clearly been going through a dead-arm phase. Floyd has lost his consistency. Logan and Masset are absolute gasoline cans. Even Thornton, who has been a pleasant surprise this year, has had a couple ineffective outings as of late.

Add that to the poor defense, and you've got a stretch where you lose six out of eight. Pitching and defense set the tone, and the Sox are setting a bad tone right now.

I know everyone points at the offense, but 12-11 and 8-7 losses are the result of the inability to prevent runs, plain and simple.

How has Gavin 'lost his consistency?' He had one bad start, and bounced back from it in his last start. That's hardly being inconsistent.

JB98
07-22-2008, 12:47 PM
How has Gavin 'lost his consistency?' He had one bad start, and bounced back from it in his last start. That's hardly being inconsistent.

Baloney. He gave up 4 HRs in a game against Colorado. He gave up six runs in the second inning against the Pirates. He was terrible in Los Angeles. He had a mediocre start against Cleveland that he won because of good run support. Then, he had a real good outing against Oakland. He absolutely SUCKED in Texas. Bar none, his worst of the year. Then, he was pretty decent the other day against Kansas City.

He's been up and down the last seven or eight times through the rotation.

oeo
07-22-2008, 12:56 PM
Baloney. He gave up 4 HRs in a game against Colorado. He gave up six runs in the second inning against the Pirates. He was terrible in Los Angeles. He had a mediocre start against Cleveland that he won because of good run support. Then, he had a real good outing against Oakland. He absolutely SUCKED in Texas. Bar none, his worst of the year. Then, he was pretty decent the other day against Kansas City.

He's been up and down the last seven or eight times through the rotation.

He's been fine. Sorry if you were expecting 7-8 innings of 1 run ball all year. Anyone with a clue knew that wouldn't continue.

It's Javy and Jose that need to step into the role you're expecting Floyd to fill.

JB98
07-22-2008, 01:25 PM
He's been fine. Sorry if you were expecting 7-8 innings of 1 run ball all year. Anyone with a clue knew that wouldn't continue.

It's Javy and Jose that need to step into the role you're expecting Floyd to fill.

Typical of your posting style. Condescending, know-it-all bull****.

You took what I said, blew it out of proportion and jumped to a conclusion that I never made.

Screw off.

oeo
07-22-2008, 01:29 PM
Typical of your posting style. Condescending, know-it-all bull****.

You expected what he did in April all year? That's not knowing it all. It's common baseball knowledge to know that things will average out over the course of a 162 game season.

You took what I said, blew it out of proportion and jumped to a conclusion that I never made.

Screw off.What did I blow out of proportion?

You called his starts recently, "mediocre" and "decent." That's what you should be expecting from Gavin Floyd. What we got earlier this year was over his head, and you're obviously expecting close to that again.

Yes, he's had a really bad start here and there (once a month, including his great April). But overall, he's been consistently "mediocre" or "decent." Why are you expecting more than that?

The same goes with Danks. We can't expect an ERA around 2.50 all year. He's going to fall back to Earth a bit. Will he be deemed inconsistent then, too?

BTW, I'm not the one who **** in your cereal this morning.

kittle42
07-22-2008, 01:45 PM
You expected what he did in April all year? That's not knowing it all. It's common baseball knowledge to know that things will average out over the course of a 162 game season.

What did I blow out of proportion?

You called his starts recently, "mediocre" and "decent." That's what you should be expecting from Gavin Floyd. What we got earlier this year was over his head, and you're obviously expecting close to that again.

Yes, he's had a really bad start here and there (once a month, including his great April). But overall, he's been consistently "mediocre" or "decent." Why are you expecting more than that?

The same goes with Danks. We can't expect an ERA around 2.50 all year. He's going to fall back to Earth a bit. Will he be deemed inconsistent then, too?

BTW, I'm not the one who **** in your cereal this morning.

You are right in your assessments, but you also said he didn't have a clue based simply on his statement that Floyd was inconsistent. Probably uncalled for a bit.

oeo
07-22-2008, 06:09 PM
You are right in your assessments, but you also said he didn't have a clue based simply on his statement that Floyd was inconsistent. Probably uncalled for a bit.

Poor choice of wording on my part. I think JB98 knows his stuff.