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SoxFan64
06-30-2008, 02:04 PM
Saw this article in the Daily Herald (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=213683) and I thought back to what I would have done if the Sox were in St. Pete. I remember going to work the next day (a Friday) and several coworkers in DC congratulating me on their staying.

I was convinced that they would bolt for Florida. I thought somewhere down the line Chicago would get an AL team but seeing first hand how it took DC 33 years to get a team back maybe that thinking was off.

Anyway when I heard the Sox were staying I was pleased even if I thought that a south loop locale would have been better.

Looking at the Sox 1988 and the Sox 2008 I say :gulp::gulp:

tony1972
06-30-2008, 02:07 PM
Saw this article in the Daily Herald (http://www.dailyherald.com/story/?id=213683) and I thought back to what I would have done if the Sox were in St. Pete. I remember going to work the next day (a Friday) and several coworkers in DC congratulating me on their staying.

I was convinced that they would bolt for Florida. I thought somewhere down the line Chicago would get an AL team but seeing first hand how it took DC 33 years to get a team back maybe that thinking was off.

Anyway when I heard the Sox were staying I was pleased even if I thought that a south loop locale would have been better.

Looking at the Sox 1988 and the Sox 2008 I say :gulp::gulp:

It was actually the summer between my Sophmore and Junior Years in high school.....I wasn't a huge fan then and remember hearing about the Sox staying on the car radio during driver's ed....

skottyj242
06-30-2008, 02:12 PM
Thank you Michael Jordan.

Chrisaway
06-30-2008, 02:16 PM
I was 8 years old. I hadn't even been to a ballgame yet.

LITTLE NELL
06-30-2008, 02:19 PM
Lived in Carol Stream and I stayed up that night listening to WBBM newsradio 78 and at first cried and then jumped for joy with the good news that the Sox were staying. Gov. Jim Thompson was the big hero that night.

Stringer
06-30-2008, 02:26 PM
I was four

PolishPower83
06-30-2008, 02:27 PM
I was four years old, I can't imagine going through something like that with my favorite team! The first emotion that comes to mind is ANGER :angry:.

KnightSox
06-30-2008, 02:31 PM
We will always love and respect Thompson in my family. My Father let me know that night.

whitem0nkey
06-30-2008, 02:33 PM
I was 8, never watched a game of baseball and lived in France. soccer was the only sport that mattered then.

Jason82807
06-30-2008, 02:34 PM
I just graduated from Mrs. Dingboom's 1st grade class.

MeteorsSox4367
06-30-2008, 02:39 PM
I was in college (yikes!) and was happy and relieved as hell that the Sox were staying in Chicago. I just remember my Dad saying something along the lines that it was about time Thompson did something right - although there is that whole broken promise thing about McCuddy's.

FWIW, the writer of the Daily Herald article, Marty Maciaszek, is good people.

Law11
06-30-2008, 02:42 PM
listening on wmaq to the vote. i remember hearing folks singing na, na, na, na as the deadline hit.

SoxFan64
06-30-2008, 02:42 PM
Thank you Michael Jordan.

Recap 1988:

Jordan was not Jordan yet. And he was not involved in this process.

Wrigley Field was not the charming drinking place it is now since there were no night games. First one was in August 1988 and many people thought that was the end of an era.

There were no retro parks.

Twenty year review of 1988 in Springfield:

Thompson was the hero in this one. Speaker of the House (then and now) Madigan gets props. A bunch of downstate legislators and folks who don't care for baseball saved the day.

SoxFan64
06-30-2008, 02:46 PM
...I just remember my Dad saying something along the lines that it was about time Thompson did something right - although there is that whole broken promise thing about McCuddy's.

I remember there being a promise to McCuddy's and the other businesses. But I never saw anything that was clear on it. Got anything?

oeo
06-30-2008, 02:55 PM
Taking over the world.

bigsoxfan420
06-30-2008, 02:57 PM
I was very young (8) but I remember, it must have been the summer of 1988, a plane flying over a game that was flying a banner that had a message about "save the Sox" or something like that. I remember asking my Dad what that was all about and he told me (again paraphrasing) "the Sox cheap owner wants to move them to Florida". As a youngster it was one of those moments when I began to realize that money rules the world and nothing is sacred (anymore?). In my Dad's defense, his tune about Jerry has changed, with the WS and all. :D:

October26
06-30-2008, 03:02 PM
Lived in Carol Stream and I stayed up that night listening to WBBM newsradio 78 and at first cried and then jumped for joy with the good news that the Sox were staying. Gov. Jim Thompson was the big hero that night.

I was a newlywed living in the Western Suburbs (moved to an apartment for a couple of years for a job before moving right back into the city). All I can remember is the horrible knot in my stomach as I realized that my beloved White Sox might be moving to Florida. You have to understand that the world was not as small as it is today; the internet was not widely accessible to regular folks like you and me and the thought of the Sox being in Florida to me was the end of the world. There was no WSI, no e-mail communications and no XM radio. Had the Sox moved to Florida, I would not have been able to remain the loyal fan I am today. Thankfully, Gov. Jim Thompson saved us from this horrible fate.

jackbrohamer
06-30-2008, 03:09 PM
I went to bed certain that they'd be gone. I went to the Sox/Yankees game at Comiskey the next day (July 1) to celebrate the news that they were going to stay, and they beat the Yankees 2-1.

At McCuddy's after the game everyone started started chanting "St. Pete Sucks!"

stacksedwards
06-30-2008, 03:17 PM
I was soiling my blue dress pants at Holy Family Preschool

LITTLE NELL
06-30-2008, 03:22 PM
The emotions of that night plus a couple other threatened moves brings to mind something that Bill Veeck one said; something like "All White Sox fans are going to heaven because they have done their penance on earth as Sox fans".

russ99
06-30-2008, 03:23 PM
I was in college (yikes!) and was happy and relieved as hell that the Sox were staying in Chicago. I just remember my Dad saying something along the lines that it was about time Thompson did something right - although there is that whole broken promise thing about McCuddy's.

Roeper mentions the broken McCuddy's promise in his column today. Has there been there any movement on that idea about building something outside the park??

While I was very glad the Sox stayed in Chicago, and didn't move to Florida, this was very different than the other times the Sox almost left town, one of which I remember in the 70s.

While the state kept the team in Chicago, they also sounded the death knell of Old Comiskey, which I still maintain could have been renovated, not unlike they did with the Wrigley outfield for a fraction of the cost of the new park.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Cell and it's a wonderful place to watch a game, but there was and is nothing like Comiskey Park.

zach074
06-30-2008, 03:25 PM
i was 5 days away from being born.

hose
06-30-2008, 03:25 PM
Downey California

russ99
06-30-2008, 03:26 PM
i was 5 days away from being born.

Wow, I feel old. Have a happy 20th in 5 days! :D:

MsSoxVixen22
06-30-2008, 03:26 PM
I was 5 yrs old :redface:

Hitmen77
06-30-2008, 03:30 PM
Wow - 20 years ago. I remember going to bed thinking it was over and that I'd wake in the morning to news that the stadium deal was offiically dead and that the Sox were moving to Florida. The next morning, I was pleasantly shocked to hear on the radio that a deal was worked out......WHEW!!!!!!

I totally disagree with the notion (popular at the time) that Chicago simply would have gotten another AL franchise to replace the Sox. Once the Sox were gone, there was no way in HELL that Chicago was getting another team. To do what? Play in a crumbling 80 year old stadium and compete against the Cubs? No way that would ever have happened - the Sox and a two-team city would have gone the way of the Chicago Cardinals.

I have to wonder how the Sox would have fared in Tampa playing at Tropicana Field instead of the Cell. The Rays can't draw in Tampa. I wonder if the Sox would have already left Tampa by now if they had moved there 20 years ago.

BoysMom3
06-30-2008, 03:33 PM
I would have been on summer break in college, working on campus, anticipating the next day because I would be turning 21!

jackbrohamer
06-30-2008, 03:37 PM
I totally disagree with the notion (popular at the time) that Chicago simply would have gotten another AL franchise to replace the Sox.

Absolutely, at the time MLB was in love with the notion of expanding everywhere. IIRC there news reports at about that time that MLB would expand to St. Pete, Colorado, Arizona, a third NY team and even Vancouver (!!!!!!!) and who knows were else. The expansion since then has been to new markets, and there was no way they were going to put a new team in a Rust Belt city, with or without a pubicly-funded new stadium.

I made up my mind I was never going to cheer for St. Pete and that I would become a Milwaukee Brewer fan the second the Sox moved.

WhiteSox5187
06-30-2008, 03:54 PM
Roeper mentions the broken McCuddy's promise in his column today. Has there been there any movement on that idea about building something outside the park??

While I was very glad the Sox stayed in Chicago, and didn't move to Florida, this was very different than the other times the Sox almost left town, one of which I remember in the 70s.

While the state kept the team in Chicago, they also sounded the death knell of Old Comiskey, which I still maintain could have been renovated, not unlike they did with the Wrigley outfield for a fraction of the cost of the new park.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Cell and it's a wonderful place to watch a game, but there was and is nothing like Comiskey Park.
I agree with this, but if I had to choose which would I rather have, Old Comiskey or the Sox it would the be the Sox in a minute.

Twenty years ago I was probably learning how to talk - I was about one and two months old.

rainbow6
06-30-2008, 03:56 PM
I just graduated from Mrs. Dingboom's 1st grade class.

I thought Robin Williams deserved an Oscar for that one.

Max Power
06-30-2008, 04:21 PM
I was 8 years old and probably had no idea the Sox almost left town. I did attend my first Sox game around 1988, but my parents weren't really sports fans and I lived in Evanston so I'm sure it wasn't big news in our household/neighborhood.

roylestillman
06-30-2008, 04:27 PM
It actually seems like longer than 20 years ago

Twenty years ago tonight I was sitting on the third base side of old Comiskey watching the Royals and waiting for an announcement or something to flash on the scoreboard saying that a deal had been reached. The announcement never came.

I remember driving home on the Ryan with WBBM on. As we drove things got bleaker. I kept the radio on as I went to bed and at one point they noted that it was midnight. Then there was a lot of confusion and the famous "stop the clock" vote took place keeping the Sox here.

I never felt better about being fleeced in my life.

Lip Man 1
06-30-2008, 04:27 PM
WMAQ radio was broadcasting the assembly session live that night and I remember listening to it in my apartment in Louisiana when I got back from the TV station.

I was very surprised when the motion passed but also very relieved. I particularly wanted to stick it right up the rear end's of those legislators who were chanting "na na na na, hey, hey, hey goodbye..." earlier in the evening.

Lip

russ99
06-30-2008, 04:34 PM
I agree with this, but if I had to choose which would I rather have, Old Comiskey or the Sox it would the be the Sox in a minute.


Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. But I am a bit annoyed as to how the renovation possibilities got swept under the rug.

lukeman89
06-30-2008, 05:06 PM
3 months away from being conceived

LongLiveFisk
06-30-2008, 06:04 PM
I went to bed certain that they'd be gone.

Same here. I'm not sure I got a wink of sleep that night. When I heard the great news the next day I was really happy, to say the least. Between the hotter than hell weather in Chicago and that whole St Pete scare, it was a crazy summer!

WhiteSoxJunkie
06-30-2008, 06:05 PM
I was 7 weeks old.

What would have happened to me if the Sox had moved? Well my IQ would probably be about 50 points lower.

LongLiveFisk
06-30-2008, 06:07 PM
I was 7 weeks old.

What would have happened to me if the Sox had moved? Well my IQ would probably be about 50 points lower.

And you just might have become a (gasp!) Cubs fan! :o:

dickallen15
06-30-2008, 06:42 PM
I don't know how long it would have taken, but I think if the Sox moved, some other team would have moved into town. Oakland perhaps.

WhiteSox5187
06-30-2008, 06:58 PM
Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. But I am a bit annoyed as to how the renovation possibilities got swept under the rug.
That would have cost more than JR was willing to spend though. Plus he never liked that stadium, it was full of Veeckian memories he wanted to remove.

johnr1note
06-30-2008, 07:15 PM
I was 28 years old, just about to start my third year in law school, sitting up in my apartment, angrily listening to WBBM's coverage of the General Assembly. My wife went to bed angry at me, accusing me of being childish about the whole thing. When I finally figured out that a deal had been struck, I rejoiced. I went to bed the happiest guy I knew at that moment.

PKalltheway
06-30-2008, 07:47 PM
3 months away from being conceived
Same here.

I dread to think of who I would have been rooting. Would I have been a Cub fan like my Dad? Would I have been a Reds fan, since we ended up moving to Cincy in 1992? Would I have even been a baseball fan at all?:(:

Woofer
06-30-2008, 07:50 PM
I only have vague memories of this night, I can remember that it was the summer that my wife and I had first started going out, and I can remember sitting in the car with her in my parents driveway, talking, listening to the game and whatever.:cool: There had been no news on a deal being struck, so as midnight came and went, I assumed that my Sox were gone. We said goodnight, and I believe I was getting ready for bed when they announced on TV that the deal had been worked out. I was extremely happy that they were staying in Chicago, to say the least.

Fenway
06-30-2008, 07:52 PM
I was actually in Tampa Bay that night.

WFLA-TV had a countdown clock and it hit zero at 1 AM Eastern and the screen flashed WELCOME WHITE SOX

Champagne flowed in area bars....but they didn't understand how things work in Illinois.

20 years later Tampa finally has a team......geeze the Rays look good right now

thomas35forever
06-30-2008, 07:52 PM
Forming in my mother's womb. I wouldn't see the light of day for another six months and one week.

Viva Medias B's
06-30-2008, 08:14 PM
I was at home that night, listening to WMAQ-AM (670) which was carrying the proceedings from Springfield. In addition to Jim Thompson, Michael Madigan also saved our franchise by "stopping the clock" so that a simple majorty vote on the stadium bill would pass. NBC 5 was the only TV station in Chicago covering this with live cut-ins from Dick Kay reporting from the State Capitol. Kay, a Sox fan, seemed overcome with joy when he reported that the Sox were saved.

Frater Perdurabo
06-30-2008, 08:20 PM
I remember the threats, the news stories, and the news the next day that the Sox would stay.

Other than that, I don't remember a whole lot. I was 11. 1988-89 was sort of a low point in my personal Sox fandom (as was 98-99).

spawn
06-30-2008, 08:23 PM
Serving in the army at Ft. Polk, La.

cnw8052
06-30-2008, 08:29 PM
Wow. Same here. There weren't that many games shown out here in northwestern Illinois back then. Only a few on WFLD-32 when our cable company carried it.

It was actually the summer between my Sophmore and Junior Years in high school.....I wasn't a huge fan then and remember hearing about the Sox staying on the car radio during driver's ed....

viagracat
06-30-2008, 09:09 PM
I thought it was a foregone conclusion they were leaving Chicago, which made me very sad at the time. I remember thinking even if the Sox left town, I could never convert to being a Cub fan. Homeless in my own city. :o:

But before I committed to becoming a Cardinals or Brewers fan, the deal was brokered, so no serious blood was shed. :smile:

Hitmen77
06-30-2008, 09:11 PM
Speaking of anniversaries - tomorrow is the 98th anniversary of the Sox calling 35th & Shields home (Comiskey Park opened on July 1, 1910).

I'm just thankful that their run on the South Side didn't end 20 years ago. If they had left, all our memories of the last 20 years wouldn't exist for us. No Big Frank and Robin, no Mark Buehrle, no World Series title - NOTHING.

StillMissOzzie
06-30-2008, 09:42 PM
Wow, I am an old fart! After reading the rest of this thread, my memory is refreshed with the agony and the ecstacy of those 24 hours. I also remember going to bed with a sick feeling, thinking that the Sox were packing their bags, and not learning until the next morning that Big Jim had stopped the clock to continue the "negotiations" (read: arm-twisting) to keep the Sox here.

SMO
:gulp:

tebman
06-30-2008, 10:56 PM
I was at home that night, listening to WMAQ-AM (670) which was carrying the proceedings from Springfield. In addition to Jim Thompson, Michael Madigan also saved our franchise by "stopping the clock" so that a simple majorty vote on the stadium bill would pass. NBC 5 was the only TV station in Chicago covering this with live cut-ins from Dick Kay reporting from the State Capitol. Kay, a Sox fan, seemed overcome with joy when he reported that the Sox were saved.
My story too -- I was switching between WMAQ, WBBM, and WMAQ-TV trying to keep up with the arm-twisting going on in Springfield. I had called my state rep and state senator, both of whom thought it was a bad deal for the state but couldn't resist telling me what big Sox fans they were. :rolleyes:

The mayor of Bolingbrook even got in on the act, claiming that the Sox were seriously considering building their new ballpark out here.
:rolleyes::rolleyes:

But then, long after midnight, I saw Dick Kay come on channel 5 with a live report saying that the White Sox will stay in Chicago. He described a lot of the dealmaking that was done to make it happen because Jim Thompson didn't want the loss of the White Sox to be hung on him.

Thompson was in Chicago for, I think, the bill-signing ceremony making the ISFA deal official and then went into McCuddy's for photo ops. It was a lively crowd, and Thompson couldn't resist the moment -- he said something like, "We'll pack up this place and move it across the street!" It wasn't a promise, though it sounded like one.

I had been in a funk but felt a whole lot better knowing the Sox would stay. The Cubs were installing lights and I knew it would never be the same even if the AL brought two or three new teams to Chicago. My kids have grown up being connected to 100 years of Chicago White Sox history, and that's a good thing.

gobears1987
06-30-2008, 11:19 PM
I was 8 months old.

hsnterprize
06-30-2008, 11:24 PM
I was in between my junior and senior years in high school. I remember mentions about it in the news, but I wasn't as big of a White Sox fan then as I am now. Still, reading some of these stories about how people were before Governor Thompson saved the day are gut-wrenching.

I was at Fort Bragg, North Carolina when New Comiskey Park opened in April 1991. The place looked nice to me, but we didn't see too much White Sox anything on TV other than a brief glimpse on ESPN. However, I was in Korea when Oriole Park at Camden Yards opened, and I rememer writing a long letter to Sports Illustrated complaining about how much they were "oogling" over the place because it looked like a retro ballpark. Boy...how much we've learned since then.

whitesox901
07-01-2008, 12:22 AM
if the Sox had moved to Tampa, wouldnt the current Rays Team of been the 1997 expansion of been put into Chicago?

Nellie_Fox
07-01-2008, 12:40 AM
if the Sox had moved to Tampa, wouldnt the current Rays Team of been the 1997 expansion of been put into Chicago?Even if I translate all of your "of" into "have" I still can't make a great deal of sense out of that sentence. If you're asking if the expansion team would have been given to Chicago, I doubt it. Old Comiskey was in terrible shape; I couldn't see MLB giving Chicago a new team without a commitment for a new ballpark.

I had very mixed emotions. I was terrified that I was going to lose my team (in fact, I was pretty much resigned to it) yet I was, and still am, opposed to public financing of sports stadiums (please don't make this political; I didn't know how to state my thoughts on the situation back then without including that.)

RockRiversoxfan
07-01-2008, 01:04 AM
chicago could have been the 3rd city to go from having two baseball teams to one (philly and boston) the philly a's moved to oakland and the boston braves went to milwaukee and then to atlanta.

whitesox901
07-01-2008, 01:06 AM
Even if I translate all of your "of" into "have" I still can't make a great deal of sense out of that sentence. If you're asking if the expansion team would have been given to Chicago, I doubt it. Old Comiskey was in terrible shape; I couldn't see MLB giving Chicago a new team without a commitment for a new ballpark.

Yes, that was the queston good sir. And thank you for the awsner! :cool:

RockRiversoxfan
07-01-2008, 01:08 AM
if the Sox had moved to Tampa, wouldnt the current Rays Team of been the 1997 expansion of been put into Chicago?
good question. it was actually 1998

LITTLE NELL
07-01-2008, 05:24 AM
I am probably a little naive on this point but there is a little part up in my brain that said that even if the stadium deal did not go through that JR was not going to move the team. I don't think there was a signed deal with St Pete in place.
Chicago is JRs home plus he owned the Bulls and still does, how could he ever show his face anywhere in Chicago area if he moved the Sox. Also the majority of the rest of the owners of the team were Chicagoans.

Hitmen77
07-01-2008, 07:34 AM
if the Sox had moved to Tampa, wouldnt the current Rays Team of been the 1997 expansion of been put into Chicago?

No.

There is no reason to believe that would have even been remotely possible. If the state didn't get a stadium deal done to save the Sox, no way they would have spent money for a stadium for some expansion team when Chicago already had the Cubs.

I am probably a little naive on this point but there is a little part up in my brain that said that even if the stadium deal did not go through that JR was not going to move the team. I don't think there was a signed deal with St Pete in place.
Chicago is JRs home plus he owned the Bulls and still does, how could he ever show his face anywhere in Chicago area if he moved the Sox. Also the majority of the rest of the owners of the team were Chicagoans.

This (along with the idea that Chicago simply would get a new AL team) was a commonly-expressed theory at the time. Alot of people were saying that JR never would have moved the team and that Illinois should have "called his bluff". I have to think that this theory is completely wrong. By all indications, Jerry and Eddie were ready to board a plane to Florida and sign a deal immediately. At the time, Tampa looked like a gold mine to MLB owners. There have been absolutely no indicatation by anyone involved that JR wasn't going to go through with the Florida deal.

IMO, the people who were holding to this theory were 1) wishful thinking Sox fans who just didn't want to believe we were that close to losing them and 2) people who would rather have the Sox move and were using this as an argument against the deal.

Hitmen77
07-01-2008, 07:37 AM
chicago could have been the 3rd city to go from having two baseball teams to one (philly and boston) the philly a's moved to oakland and the boston braves went to milwaukee and then to atlanta.

Chicago would have been the 4th city. The St. Louis Browns moved to become the Baltimore Orioles.

Plus, the A's moved from Philadelphia to Kansas City. Later the A's moved from KC to Oakland.

Max Power
07-01-2008, 10:39 AM
Chicago would have been the 4th city. The St. Louis Browns moved to become the Baltimore Orioles.

Plus, the A's moved from Philadelphia to Kansas City. Later the A's moved from KC to Oakland.

And New York City went from having 3 teams to having 1, before getting the expansion Mets. Chicago is the only city to have 2 teams every year since 1900.

Thome25
07-01-2008, 10:41 AM
I was 9 years old. I wasn't into baseball that much yet. I had an old 1983-style red white and blue Sox cap that I got through a McDonalds promotion.

I remember McDonalds was offering both Sox and Cubs for BLANK price with the purchase of a sandwich and I wanted the Sox because I thought their cap looked cooler.

Thome25
07-01-2008, 10:42 AM
And New York City went from having 3 teams to having 1, before getting the expansion Mets. Chicago is the only city to have 2 teams every year since 1900.

And that's why the rivalry is so fierce with the Cubs. It's the longest same city rivalry there is.

Jason82807
07-01-2008, 11:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason82807 http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=1946204#post1946204)
I just graduated from Mrs. Dingboom's 1st grade class.





I thought Robin Williams deserved an Oscar for that one.

I've been waiting 20 years to mention her name in casual conversation:bandance:

Irishsox1
07-01-2008, 11:25 AM
I went to bed that night thinking that the Sox were goners and that it was a done deal. I remember lying in bed thinking "am I still going to root for the Sox if they were down in Florida?", and coming to the conclusion that I would not be a Sox fan if they moved. I remember hating Reinsdorf and pretty much to this day don't trust him but since he's been owner for 7 championship in Chicago, I have started to ease up on the guy but it took like 20 years. Also, I was thinking that if the Sox moved, that I would become a Brewers fan since I prefer American League baseball, of course this was before Selig moved the Brewers to the National League in 1998.

But, I woke up, grabbed the paper and right on the front it said the Sox were staying and that they were building a new stadium. I went from pissed off to relieved in less that 24 hours, it was that quick. And that's it, I stayed a Sox fan and hit the jackpot 17 years later.

Jurr
07-01-2008, 11:39 AM
I was eight, living in Hammond, and I was concerned about whether or not it would rain today. I usually had baseball games at night, and I was always paranoid about getting them rained out.

RockRiversoxfan
07-01-2008, 11:59 AM
And New York City went from having 3 teams to having 1, before getting the expansion Mets. Chicago is the only city to have 2 teams every year since 1900.
your right. that is a very interesting fact. for 4 seasons from 1958-1961 the yankees were the only team in the big apple. they won two pennents during that time. (1958 and 1960)

Sox Supporter
07-01-2008, 12:04 PM
I was listening to a distraught Chet Coppeck on "Coppeck on Sports". I learned one thing that night as a relatively young Sox fan at that time. He had Jack Brickhouse on as a guest, and it was that night that I learned that Jack had broadcast Sox home tv games on WGN in the 1950's. Jack was just as devastated as Chet about the Sox leaving. My respect for Jack Brickhouse (who I disliked at that time, because after all, he was a former Cub Announcer) from that point forward was immense.

35th&Shields
07-01-2008, 12:11 PM
By the way, what Gov. Thompson and Speaker Madigan did was illegal and unconstitutional. By all accounts (even Gov. Thompson's), it was after midnight when they got the votes and without the votes there wasn't the money to keep the White Sox in Chicago with a new stadium. The bill funding the Illinois Sports Authority had to be passed by the last day of the spring session or it would have required additional votes. I've heard that it was anywhere from 2 minutes to 15 minutes or so after midnight when they actually got the necessary votes. The "official story" was always that the clock on the floor of the House of Representatives said it was midnight to the second.

But who was going to file a lawsuit claiming it was illegal and unconstitutional? No one would have been that crazy and the Speaker of the House is a South Side Irishman who was not going to let that issue be raised with a challenge. Big Jim Thompson and Mike Madigan are more responsible for the White Sox being in Chicago today than anyone else. Both Thompson and Madigan were both on the floor of the House of Representatives twisting elbows to get the necessary votes. Thompson was working the Republicans and Madigan worked the Democrats. According to Thompson they had a deal among each other to get one Republican vote for every Democratic vote. They finally got the votes "as the clock struck midnight" and the Sox stayed.

If you're curious, here's the link to Illinois Sports Facilities Authority Act (70 ILCS 3205/3) (1987) (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/If you're curious, here's the link to the Illinois Sports Facility Authority Act.)
There was a lot of fear among some lawmakers (especially those Downstate) that the General Assembly would have some kind of direct connection to the White Sox or New Comiskey Park. This is not the case. The General Assembly only provides that there be funding of the Sports Facilities Fund. This money goes to the Authority and they spend it as they see fit. The General Assembly also can't do anything to limit or alter the basis on which the State funds the authority. Long story short, even Cubs and Cardinals fans paid with their tax dollars to build new Comiskey Park.

I was 13 years old. I was a huge, huge Sox fan. I played basketball every day and watched Sox games at night. However, I don't remember being very aware of the political machinations going on. I remember there being talk of the Sox moving to Florida, and I remember my Dad telling me the Sox were going to stay, but it wasn't until years later that I learned just how close we were to losing the White Sox to Florida. I don't remember being that worried about it, and it would have been a big blow to me if the Sox had left. I can only imagine how different it would have been if I had the internet them. At one point there was talk of building the stadium in Addison. Reinsdorf said that he still thinks that would have been the right move, even in retrospect.

Lip Man 1
07-01-2008, 12:33 PM
Supporter:

Jack loved the Sox and had as much passion for them as he did with the Cubs. After all he'd been broadcasting Sox games from 1948 through 1967!

Lip

LITTLE NELL
07-01-2008, 12:37 PM
I was listening to a distraught Chet Coppeck on "Coppeck on Sports". I learned one thing that night as a relatively young Sox fan at that time. He had Jack Brickhouse on as a guest, and it was that night that I learned that Jack had broadcast Sox home tv games on WGN in the 1950's. Jack was just as devastated as Chet about the Sox leaving. My respect for Jack Brickhouse (who I disliked at that time, because after all, he was a former Cub Announcer) from that point forward was immense.
WGN and Brickhouse did all Sox day home games and a few road night games including the pennant clincher in Cleveland on 9-22-59, until 1968 when the Sox switched over to WFLD-32.
My own opinion is he cared and rooted for the Sox and Cubs the same and he loved Chicago. You can hear the 59 clincher and Joe Horlens 67 no hitter with Brickhouse at WSI audio memories.

white sox bill
07-01-2008, 01:42 PM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't the story leak out a few yrs later that JR had strreeched the truth on a few things about the deal he had supposly cut w/St Pete? Turns out it wasn't the sweeheart deal he had represented to the public. True?

Cangelosi CF
07-01-2008, 01:52 PM
at good ol' Joliet West, wondering if Big Jim Thompson could twist enough arms.

vegyrex
07-01-2008, 02:14 PM
I was preparing my move to Boston back then. I couldn't imagine rooting for another team other than the White Sox. Even though I was about to move to Boston I had little interest in the Red Sox. I was so ecstatic when I learned the team would be staying and getting a new park.

Thank you so much Big Jim and speaker Madigan. :smile:

SoxFan64
07-01-2008, 07:39 PM
By the way, what Gov. Thompson and Speaker Madigan did was illegal and unconstitutional. By all accounts (even Gov. Thompson's), it was after midnight when they got the votes and without the votes there wasn't the money to keep the White Sox in Chicago with a new stadium. The bill funding the Illinois Sports Authority had to be passed by the last day of the spring session or it would have required additional votes. I've heard that it was anywhere from 2 minutes to 15 minutes or so after midnight when they actually got the necessary votes. The "official story" was always that the clock on the floor of the House of Representatives said it was midnight to the second.

Illegal?? Unconstitutional?? Not even close. Here is lesson #102 on Legislative bodies. They have the right to determine their official time clock and they have a parliamentarian (who works for the members but is selected by the leadership) who speaks through the presiding officer. Since the House was controlled by the Speaker of the House (Madigan), he would not have a presiding officer or a parliamentarian ruling that would say it was past midnight. It is the power of the Speaker -- one of the few major weapons.

There are numerous cases of the clock stopping, esp. done in the first six years of the Bush years to enforce party discipline through all levels of government. It may have passed the bounds of "fair play" but it was never illegal nor unconstitutional. You may like it when it favors your side and hate it when it goes against you.

Otto Von Bismark said it best (http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes/Otto_von_Bismarck/) two things should never be seen being made: sausages and legislation.

Vernam
07-01-2008, 07:47 PM
I was living in Tennessee, sweating out the decision in those pre-web days. My vote for Sox fans' most beloved Cub fan would have to be Gov. Thompson. Heck, for this Democrat, he's also the most beloved Republican. :wink: It warms my heart to see him sitting occasionally down behind the Sox on-deck circle. Thank god we had some real leadership in Springfield at that time. If it came to a vote there again, I have no doubt the Sox would be headed out of town.

Vernam

Region Rat
07-02-2008, 09:49 AM
I was 4, and had no idea what was going on. I had been to games at Comiskey Park, and have been taught Sox Pride and Cubs Hate since birth. Its tough thinking about all the memories I would have lost with my pops and lil brother, at the old and new parks. I probably wouldn't even be a baseball fan, because I really couldn't see my Dad taking us anywhere near wrigley(see "Cubs Hate" above.)
I feel sorry for people that had to live threw that, and I'm just thankfull I wasn't old enough to realize what was happening, and that I'll have more Sox memories with my dad, bro, and now with my wife too.

300bowler
07-02-2008, 03:12 PM
I remember there being a promise to McCuddy's and the other businesses. But I never saw anything that was clear on it. Got anything? I read somewhere that Thompson wanted to rebuild McCuddy's in New Comiskey Park. :gulp:"Boy oh Boy what I wouldn't do for an ice cold Falstaff and a plate of BBQ Ribs".-Harry Caray.

PaleHoseGeorge
07-05-2008, 11:32 AM
I made a special mid-week trip to Old Comiskey to watch this game in person precisely because I was absolutely convinced it was destined to be the very last baseball game ever played by the Chicago White Sox. Come the morning they would be somebody else's team.

I intended to get a bedsheet and paint a giant sign, "For Pete's Sake, Send the Cubs!" I guarantee that one would have made the 10 o'clock news. Ah dreams...

I drove home listening to the reports from Springfield on the car radio and the news was not encouraging at all. I went to bed sometime after 11 quite convinced it was all over.

Yes, sometimes Christmas comes in July!

:cool:

cubhater
07-06-2008, 07:47 AM
I worked as a bouncer at a Gainesville, Fl college bar the night of the vote and couldn't hear ESPN's Sportscenter over the music. They kept showing the Sox logo throughout the show and I had no idea if they were staying or leaving until I got in my car and turned on the radio for the happy news.

I wore my Sox hat to work the next night and a couple of frat boys came up and asked, "Why are you wearing that hat? Didn't you hear the Sox are staying in Chicago?" I replied with a smile, "Yeah, isn't that great!" They left with a puzzled look on their faces. I guess they didn't realize Sox fans existed outside of Chicago.

skobabe8
07-06-2008, 08:06 AM
I was 8 and didnt know what was going on.

A couple people mentioned that legislators were singing Na Na Na Na? Can anyone elaborate on this? Were they on TV? Were they Cub fans?

2906
07-06-2008, 10:31 AM
Great thread.

I was actually down in Springfield for a business trip that day and the day after.

We were at a bar on Adams Street well into the evening, about two blocks from the Capitol building. It so happened there were a couple people from Chicago in the bar and we were all obviously interested in what was happening.

Robert Jordan of Channel 9 popped in about 9:30 during a break in the session. We chatted him up and he was telling us it would go down to the wire but don't lose faith because Thompson is twisting arms big time.

Robert was kind enough to stop in again two more times, once about 11 p.m. and then about 12:20 as the bar was ready to close up.

He walked in at 12:20 with a grin on his face giving us the thumbs up! We bought him a drink at last call. :gulp:

PaleHoseGeorge
07-06-2008, 11:21 AM
This (along with the idea that Chicago simply would get a new AL team) was a commonly-expressed theory at the time. ....

IMO, the people who were holding to this theory were 1) wishful thinking Sox fans who just didn't want to believe we were that close to losing them and 2) people who would rather have the Sox move and were using this as an argument against the deal.

I couldn't agree more, but you left out one other significant tidbit. There was a group of "Sox Fans" who were making the case that Reinsdorf should be allowed to move the Sox and the resulting state $ saved to be spent fixing up Old Comiskey to attract a new owner with a new team. These "fans" actually preferred losing the Sox to losing the ballpark! As if they were entitled to a Major League baseball team!!!
:kukoo:

There were some major lunatics out there in 1988. Lord knows Richard Lindberg and I have major disagreements on many facets of Sox history, but he has publicly skewered these "Sox Fans" many times through the years in his books and elsewhere and I couldn't agree more with his reasons why.

MarySwiss
07-06-2008, 11:30 AM
Despite everything, I just never could believe they'd really go. But that didn't keep me from heaving a huge sigh of relief when it was all over. I honestly think that if they had moved, I would have lost all interest in baseball for the rest of my life; that's how devastating it would have been.

Thank heavens it didn't happen. :smile: