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chisox59
06-30-2008, 01:46 PM
Javier Vazquez has had five mediocre starts in a row. His problems began with a blowout win over the Twins where it appeared that the heat had gotten to him. Here are his stats from that day on:

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
4.1 9 5 5 3 7 0 4.49
6.0 5 5 4 5 4 2 4.24
6.0 5 5 5 2 3 1 4.13
6.0 10 5 5 3 9 1 3.90
5.1 9 4 4 2 4 2 3.64

His season ERA has gone up almost a run and his ERA over these five starts is almost 7.5. Does anyone know if he has a physical problem or has he reverted to 5 inning pitcher of two years ago?

PicktoCLick72
06-30-2008, 01:56 PM
Every starter will struggle during the season. We just have to hope he breaks out of it soon. Also, when he does pitch poorly it helps when he at least keeps us in the game. His control is what is causing all the problems.

Hitmen77
06-30-2008, 01:59 PM
Seems to me that Javy does this every year. He pitches like an ace for 6 weeks, then totally struggles for a month or two, then pitches well for another stretch of time, etc.

Concerned that he does this? Yes. But, I'm not surprised and I am guessing that it's not an physical problem.

btrain929
06-30-2008, 02:02 PM
If he keeps pitching solely to the outer-half of the plate against righties, yeah I'd be worried. I haven't seen 1 pitch in the month of June that was intentionally thrown to the inside corner of the plate vs a righty.

I feel if he does this, he'll have more batters swinging at his changeup/slider off the outside corner instead of them taking it and driving up every 0-2 count to 3-2.

jabrch
06-30-2008, 02:16 PM
Javier Vazquez has had five mediocre starts in a row. His problems began with a blowout win over the Twins where it appeared that the heat had gotten to him. Here are his stats from that day on:

IP H R ER BB SO HR ERA
4.1 9 5 5 3 7 0 4.49
6.0 5 5 4 5 4 2 4.24
6.0 5 5 5 2 3 1 4.13
6.0 10 5 5 3 9 1 3.90
5.1 9 4 4 2 4 2 3.64

His season ERA has gone up almost a run and his ERA over these five starts is almost 7.5. Does anyone know if he has a physical problem or has he reverted to 5 inning pitcher of two years ago?

Were you posting the same thing about Buehrle about 6 weeks ago? Of course - there is always concern about EVERYONE. But I'm pretty damn happy with our pitching staff this year, regardless of any rough patches guys have hit or will hit.

The real question is what is your season expectations of Javy...

Stringer
06-30-2008, 02:23 PM
His ERA has been steadily increasing all the month of June.

I'm slightly worried, but he is 2 - 2 in that time span. So it hasn't impacted us too badly

He's had some rough spots in those starts and he's had some good spots in those starts as well.

I hope he back to throwing the ball like we all know he can

peelwonder
06-30-2008, 03:00 PM
There should be concern because he is a mental weakling.

A pitcher with his stuff should never be so mediocre.

bluestar
06-30-2008, 03:09 PM
There should be concern because he is a mental weakling.

A pitcher with his stuff should never be so mediocre.

I tend to agree. I think his problems are strictly mental and always have been. He is obviously afraid to go after certain hitters, and he has a tendency to give in and throw meat balls when he is behind in the count. Saturday was a perfect example. If he could get ahead of the hitter, he normally put him away fairly efficiently, but when he fell behind hitters, he started nibbling around the plate (apparently) trying to throw the perfect pitch.

Anytime a hitter has him 3 - 1, I always get very nervous, because I know Javy is going to serve up something very hittable.

hawkjt
06-30-2008, 03:13 PM
As long as his arm stays sound...I am not worried. He is lacking pinpoint command of late but that can come back anytime. When he gets ahead he can still dominate and strike guys out. As you indicated, like all human players, he goes thru slumps but he does come back out of it.

Javvy will be fine.

oeo
06-30-2008, 03:19 PM
He's gone back to his old ways of trying to strike everyone out. Instead of trying to get them to hit the ball into play, he'll nibble and hope they chase something. Therefore 0-2 quickly turns to 3-2, and he's in trouble.

It's very frustrating when Javy does this. Just finish them off...use your defense.

hose
06-30-2008, 03:27 PM
He'll be fine

Irishsox1
06-30-2008, 03:52 PM
With the Sox, the only thing Javy has been consistent at is being inconsistent. It just seems like anytime the Sox need good game from Javy, he can't get out of the 5th. Yet, he can be an innings eater when you least expect it.

As long as arm is ok, he'll be fine but after the AS break, I would rather have him be the 4th or 5th starter.

bigdommer
06-30-2008, 03:58 PM
I can't find the numbers anywhere, but Javy's career numbers are significantly worse in June than any other month. I don't know how this is explained.

WhiteSox5187
06-30-2008, 04:00 PM
It's unnerving that he's strung together a couple of bad starts in a row, but this will happen to pitchers. It happened to Buerhle earlier in the season, and he's worked out of it. We just have to hope that Javy works out of it sooner rather than later (obviously). Facing a poor hitting team like Cleveland or KC woudl do him a world of wonders.

doublem23
07-01-2008, 06:02 AM
Coop will fix him.