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thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:24 PM
Let the bitching commence.:angry:

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:24 PM
Let 'er rip.

guillen4life13
06-20-2008, 04:25 PM
Walkoff Hr. Game over.

:mad::angry:

VeeckAsInWreck
06-20-2008, 04:25 PM
Tough loss, let's get 'em tomorrow. :dunno:

jabrch
06-20-2008, 04:25 PM
I'm sure Onda will tell us that this is Ozzie's fault - right?

Sockinchisox
06-20-2008, 04:25 PM
So many ****ing wasted opportunities. I don't mind if we can't get anything going but this was bull****.

JUribe1989
06-20-2008, 04:25 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass

MushMouth
06-20-2008, 04:25 PM
****!!:angry:

hi im skot
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Offense couldn't get a clutch hit, and the bullpen didn't get the job done. Win tomorrow.

Now, back to the pants pissing...

Madvora
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Same old White Sox. Get used to it.

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass

:rolling:

Thanks, I needed a laugh.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass
I'm sorry. Are we in first or last? I don't know anymore.

SoxGirl4Life
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Oh well.. go get em tomorrow. We should have been up by at least 3 more.

hi im skot
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass

Go away.

downstairs
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
Swept a last place team, lose to a first place team. Yep, that's about right.

This was their first test of the year. Wild crowd, first place team. And they stunk.

MushMouth
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
I'm sure Onda will tell us that this is Ozzie's fault - right?

For once, I absolutely agree that ozzie blew the 9th inning. It makes zero sense to let Thome hit in that situation. Move the runner over. Period.

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:26 PM
We wasted leadoff doubles in the sixth and the ninth. Cost us the game.

TommyGavinFloyd
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Jim Thome can't lay down a bunt? Why not use Pablo in the 9th?

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Octavio Dotel simply can not be trusted in big game situations. It's as simple as that. And this offense is beyond horrendous. We gift wrapped that game. And it is also eerily similar to the first game of this last year at Wrigley.

QCIASOXFAN
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
That ****ing sucked. It's 5 O'Clock somewhere time.

Let's get'em tomorrow.

Sox35th
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
When will this team get back to Small-Ball!!

They gave this game away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rdy2PlayBall
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
They didn't deserve the win. They get no braging rights in my opinion. Lets see what happens tomarrow.

Rocky Soprano
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass

Someone with Uribe in his name sure knows what he is talking about!

SoxGirl4Life
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass


Oh brother.

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
For once, I absolutely agree that ozzie blew the 9th inning. It makes zero sense to let Thome hit in that situation. Move the runner over. Period.

All we needed was his stereotypical grounder to second. I thought that move was fine.

AJ Hellraiser
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Contreras and Javy better have their stuff the next 2 days... and by that I mean much better stuff than they have showed the last 2 starts...

Otherwise, we are going to get swept right out of the Urinal...

In all the Cubs-Sox series, this loss feels the worst... up ALL game, many chances to put it out of reach... lose on a walk-off by my least favorite player on their team...

:angry::angry::angry::angry:

oeo
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
Offense doesn't execute again, and we lose again. This is getting ridiculous. Score some ****ing runs without the homerun.

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
We wasted leadoff doubles in the sixth and the ninth. Cost us the game.
That and Octavio's overwhelming fear of big game situations. He is simply not clutch. That game was over until he came in.

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:27 PM
I said it like 10 times in the game thread, but you don't take Danks out after only 85 pitches in the 6th. I had a bad feeling about that as soon as it happened. Ugh.

Over By There
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
I'm doing my best to repress the nasty comments for Dotel. There's really far few worse feelings that watching Cubs fans celebrate after they beat us.

Also, John Danks deserves better than this.

Well, come back and get the series.

Huisj
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Well, the last 2 games I've been able to watch have ended in walkoff homers. I was at the game last Thursday against Detroit, and now this crap.

What's with Dotel's waist high center cut fastballs?

That sucked.

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Jim Thome can't lay down a bunt? Why not use Pablo in the 9th?

Again, all we needed was the stereotypic grounder to second.

downstairs
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Thome was a horrible move. Needed to move the runner over, that's it. PLUS if it remained tied, Thome would still be available.

chaotic8512
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Reminds me a lot of the Friday game of our last series in Tampa. Tie game in the bottom of the ninth, Linebrink comes in, having been on a roll, and throws two pitches, the second of which ends up in the seats. :angry:

Not going to win a lot of games when you leave most of your baserunners on base. Or when you leave stuff up in the zone. Shame, for Danks' sake.

Get 'em tomorrow.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
For once, I absolutely agree that ozzie blew the 9th inning. It makes zero sense to let Thome hit in that situation. Move the runner over. Period.
I hate to say it, but I was all for hitting Thome in that situation. I just wanted a base hit and was afraid BA would either be gunned down at third or be held up at second.

shes
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Danks pitched great.
Bullpen sucked ass.
Ozzie did not manage well.
Once again, home run-or-nothing offense. Tons of at-bats with RISP wasted.

Another in a long line of games we probably should have won. It's very frustrating to watch a good team that is on the cusp of being very, very good but just can't jump that hurdle.

Damn it.

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
This thread is going to suck...

This thread is going to blow...

Have fun...

KRS1
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass

Wow. :rolleyes:

gobears1987
06-20-2008, 04:28 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching assShut up Jay

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
When will this team get back to Small-Ball!!

They gave this game away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Who on this team makes you think we are the least bit capable of playing small ball? This team is constructed to hit homeruns and when they don't ****ing do that, they suck.

SoxSpeed22
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
Danks did well, Dotel made 2 bad pitches to Lee and Ramirez, Ramirez hit one out in the 9th. I don't want to complain about the Cabrera foul ball that looked like it hit the pole, so I won't.
Instead I'll complain about 6 men left on base with RISP, not to mention wasting 2 lead-off doubles. You can't do that against a good team like the Cubs in their own house.

bigsoxfan420
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
I know it's the N.L., but why not leave in Danks? He seemed to be cruising after the second inning.

TommyGavinFloyd
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
Again, all we needed was the stereotypic grounder to second.

Why even risk hitting a popup when you can just bunt?

ondafarm
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
Another brilliant managerial game by Ozzie!!

Anybody who still thinks he rates an "A" for his handling of pitching please contact me about purchasing the Brooklyn Bridge. I'll get you a deal.

QCIASOXFAN
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass
Not sure why we should fire Ozzie for bringing in our 7th inning specialist with the lead.:scratch:

Frankfan4life
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
It's a three-game series. Yes, it's not good to lose the first game, but if our offense shows up Saturday and Sunday, we can win this series.

Kudos to Danks who pitched a great game!

ms620
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
I'm sure Onda will tell us that this is Ozzie's fault - right?

It is not only his fault...but him letting thome hit, and not putting up ozuna was absolutely awful.

kidmccarthy
06-20-2008, 04:29 PM
When anderson didnt stretch his hit to a triple, I had a bad feeling. The lower half of the order sucked today, and they made mince meat out of our bullpen. Go get em tomorrow. Marquis does suck, so at least we can look forward to that.

bigsoxfan420
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
Danks did well, Dotel made 2 bad pitches to Lee and Ramirez, Ramirez hit one out in the 9th. I don't want to complain about the Cabrera foul ball that looked like it hit the pole, so I won't.
Instead I'll complain about 6 men left on base with RISP, not to mention wasting 2 lead-off doubles. You can't do that against a good team like the Cubs in their own house.

Well said. Let's just close the thread.:redneck

Urban Legend
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
What's Thome's lifetime batting average in clutch situations (games against Pittsburgh don't count). About .077?

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
Thome was a horrible move. Needed to move the runner over, that's it. PLUS if it remained tied, Thome would still be available.

Again, I disagree. A grounder to second gets it done there, and Thome is a pull hitter.

I thought the Thome move was an obvious one.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
This thread is going to suck...

This thread is going to blow...

Have fun...

My sentiments exactly. The dark clouds are gonna rain on this one for a while. So with that I'm leaving for the rest of the day. Have a great weekend and I hope we take the next two.

Patrick134
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
Thome was a horrible move. Needed to move the runner over, that's it. PLUS if it remained tied, Thome would still be available.


Wouldn't have needed a bunt if Anderson had taken the triple they were giving him.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
"What cross-town bullpen do you trust the most?" Now every single Cub fan is going for the Cubs bullpen... but seriously, I definetly say it's ours regardless today.

MsSoxVixen22
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
Yes Dotel blew this one for us but we had many opportunities to win this game. BA, Crede, Thome, I'm sure I'm forgetting someone, but we need to stop leaving guys on base! The guys need to be more patient at the plate and they need to start bunting. This is just ****ing great, I'm already hearing it at work. And they're playing the damn "Go Cubs Go" song over the intercom! I think I'm going to be sick....

It's Time
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
When does Aramis get pitched inside? I have never seen a guy kill a team like he kills the Sox. It's borderline insane. Oh, a TERRIBLY managed game from Ozzie from the 7th inning on.

JUribe1989
06-20-2008, 04:30 PM
Leadoff double in the top of the 9th, you bunt. You do not send up Jim Thome unless you plan to have him lay down a bunt and get that runner to third. That's inexcusable. Ozzie complains about not having the pieces for smart ball and the guys not producing offensively when he doesn't even attempt to move the runner over. He brought in Thome going for a big fly, a ridiculous call.

ms620
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Again, I disagree. A grounder to second gets it done there, and Thome is a pull hitter.

I thought the Thome move was an obvious one.

Putting a guy up so he can hit a grounder to second base just does not make sense. Teams bunt for a reason. Bunt was the right play.

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Another brilliant managerial game by Ozzie!!

Anybody who still thinks he rates an "A" for his handling of pitching please contact me about purchasing the Brooklyn Bridge. I'll get you a deal.

I guess they have the best ERA in the Majors by coincidence then?

:rolleyes:

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
It's a three-game series. Yes, it's not good to lose the first game, but if our offense shows up Saturday and Sunday, we can win this series.

Kudos to Danks who pitched a great game!

Nice try, but you might as well be spitting on a forest fire...

RedHeadPaleHoser
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
This is one Cubs home victory that was gift wrapped. Forget Dotel's continuing ****up in pitching, but leaving 6 guys on base will kill you. Add the wind blowing out in MLB's smallest park, and you're destined to lose.

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Why even risk hitting a popup when you can just bunt?

Thome hasn't bunted in his whole career.

I'm just flabbergasted that people thought putting Jim in to swing away was a bad move. Just flabbergasted.

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
it was not entirely ozzie's fault, but letting thome hit after BA doubled to lead off was probably the dumbest thing he could have done. just dumb.

infohawk
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Poor outing by Dotel. Terrible, terrible at-bat by Thome in a crucial situation. All he needs to do is hit the ball on the ground to the right side. Ironically, he seems to do that most of the time anyway.:angry:

Marqhead
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
100 Years! :D:

Lets get em tomorrow!

ms620
06-20-2008, 04:31 PM
Wouldn't have needed a bunt if Anderson had taken the triple they were giving him.

Give me a break. You do not try to stretch that to a triple with 0 out. Anderson made the smart play by not risking it.

BoKnowsBest
06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
When anderson didnt stretch his hit to a triple, I had a bad feeling. The lower half of the order sucked today, and they made mince meat out of our bullpen. Go get em tomorrow. Marquis does suck, so at least we can look forward to that.

You don't make the first or third out at third base, so I think that BA did exactly the right thing staying at 2nd when he wasn't 100% sure he would make it into 3rd. That being said, ****ing Thome popping up the first pitch just seems so typical of this season. One of the more frustrating losses of the year so far.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
Ozzie is a piece of garbage. Hmm, starting pitcher dominating with a low pitch count, you have the lead, wind blowing out, their best hitters, yeah, Dotel seems like the perfect solution here :?: Ozzie handed the Cubs the game and the momentum.

Their eyes lit up when they saw Danks gone. Their team, hitters, and crowd were dead when Danks was pitching, and Ozzie woke them all up :angry:

ms620
06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
Thome hasn't bunted in his whole career.

I'm just flabbergasted that people thought putting Jim in to swing away was a bad move. Just flabbergasted.

And I am flabbergasted that you are flabbergasted.

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
it was not entirely ozzie's fault, but letting thome hit after BA doubled to lead off was probably the dumbest thing he could have done. just dumb.

I think the posters here are dumb, and that Ozzie made the right move.

ZombieRob
06-20-2008, 04:32 PM
Cubs are just very unbeatable at home. Can't leave running in scoring positions with now outs. Cubs deserve this win. How many walk off homers in the last 2 weeks against the Sox? Putrid.
.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
it was not entirely ozzie's fault, but letting thome hit after BA doubled to lead off was probably the dumbest thing he could have done. just dumb.
Thome should've been more patient, but my gut tells me Anderson wouldn't have made it. I know he's not exactly David Ortiz, but he's BA for God's sake.

SoxandtheCityTee
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
It's just one game, and a close one at that. That's a pretty good hitting line up, Sox wasted some chances and lost by one run. Let's get 'em tomorrow.

Fun thing about this thread will be the squabbling about pinch-hitting for Danks. Sure we always have squabbling after a loss, but rarely about that topic. Carry on.:D:

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
Wouldn't have needed a bunt if Anderson had taken the triple they were giving him.

Never make the first or 3rd out of an inning at 3rd base. It's one of the oldest cliche's there is. Last time BA tried it he got nailed. I am sure he and Cox were gun shy about having it happen again. Fukudome has a good arm too boot.

Don't know why I am bothering. This thread isn't for rational discussion...

Cuck the Fubs
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
:?: Wow.......lots of pants pissing already?

I'm not thrilled with the outcome, but geez...some of you guys are unreal with the comments:rolleyes:

ms620
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
I think the posters here are dumb, and that Ozzie made the right move.

Hoping a player grounds out to second, when he is trying to get a hit is dumb. Just b/c he grounds out there a lot, it does not mean it is likely. He also strikes out a lot. And pops up a lot. Flies out a lot.

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
Ozzie is a piece of garbage. Hmm, starting pitcher dominating with a low pitch count, you have the lead, wind blowing out, their best hitters, yeah, Dotel seems like the perfect solution here :?: Ozzie handed the Cubs the game and the momentum.

Their eyes lit up when they saw Danks gone. Their team, hitters, and crowd were dead when Danks was pitching, and Ozzie woke them all up :angry:

Thanks for playing.

sox1970
06-20-2008, 04:33 PM
This is how you get swept---by not winning the games you're supposed to win.

Ozzie ****ed up taking Danks out.

The offense didn't score as many runs as they should have.

Anderson should have had a triple in the 9th.

The bullpen sucked.

TomBradley72
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
Dotel, Linebrink, Jenks have been a lockdown combination most of the year...I can't get too upset about that part of today's game.

But Ozuna is hitting .300+, coming off a three hit day yesterday, and is the best guy on the roster at moving a runner from 2nd to 3rd...Thome has no history of being a good pinch hitter..and we needed a contact/small ball guy in that situation. Really bad decision by Ozzie. Thome must lead the league in grounders to the right side...horrible approach to swing at the 1st pitch, middle/outer half...he should have been waiting for something to pull until he had 2 strikes.

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
My sentiments exactly. The dark clouds are gonna rain on this one for a while. So with that I'm leaving for the rest of the day. Have a great weekend and I hope we take the next two.
I'm sorry we just pissed away our biggest game of the year to date so far, so I don't think anyone is being a "dark cloud" when they point out that we played like horse **** in this game. This should have been a Sox ****ing blow out, but becasue we have NO situational hitting and Dotel has some sort of ****ing mental block that causes him to suck in big games, I think a bit of anger is well ****ing justified here.

TommyGavinFloyd
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
Thome hasn't bunted in his whole career.

I'm just flabbergasted that people thought putting Jim in to swing away was a bad move. Just flabbergasted.

Well then he shouldn't be up. Period. The only thing that needs to get done at that point is get the runner to second. The best way to do that is bunt. If Thome can't do it, he shouldn't be up. Use Ozuna. Hell, use Wise. All that matters is getting that runner to second. "Swinging away" gets us nowhere. Crede couldn't do it after Swisher's double either. Poor managing, poor execution.

russ99
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
Why even risk hitting a popup when you can just bunt?

Much less, bring in a guy who can do it, like Ozuna.

Oh wait, I'm like a broken record. Why are Thome and Konerko swinging for the seats in tie games on the road in the 9th inning with no outs and a runner on?!? Especially in a NL ballpark....

Not to mention all the other runners we left on and in scoring position. Plain truth, we gave this one away. I don't buy that power or nothing garbage either. These are major league hitters, and it's a mindset that we can't execute in these situations other than any perceived lack of talent.

If we don't start figuring this out, even if we make the playoffs it will be a real short postseason.

The fact they went yard off our good relievers, all you can do is give credit to them, even though I hate Aramis %&#*$% Ramirez!!

It's Time
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
Ok, will someone tell we why you give Ramirez anything to hit?

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:34 PM
Ozzie is a piece of garbage. Hmm, starting pitcher dominating with a low pitch count, you have the lead, wind blowing out, their best hitters, yeah, Dotel seems like the perfect solution here :?: Ozzie handed the Cubs the game and the momentum.

Their eyes lit up when they saw Danks gone. Their team, hitters, and crowd were dead when Danks was pitching, and Ozzie woke them all up :angry:
:fireozzie
:rolleyes:

Sockinchisox
06-20-2008, 04:35 PM
Well, at least the postgame show is going to be highly entertaining.

hi im skot
06-20-2008, 04:35 PM
This thread is embarrassing. See you guys tomorrow.

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:36 PM
To the people saying Ozzie should have left Danks in, do you really WANT Danks to be leading off the seventh inning? **** no. He pulled him for Uribe who did his job and got a ****ing hit. The rest of the ****ing team then decided to ****ing quit and Dotel, who I don't know what the **** is wrong with him, pissed it away. Dotel had been getting the job done all year, but he ****ed up today. I just wouldn't use him in big game situations anymore. Which will be tough if we make it to the ****ing playoffs.

Jaysox
06-20-2008, 04:36 PM
A lot of wasted opportunities. I'm not even going to turn on ESPN tonight, it's gonna be nothing but that walk-off home run for 5 hours straight. I had a feeling in my gut the whole game that 3 runs wasn't going to be enough so I'm not surprised by it one bit.

It's funny that DJ was praising our bullpen before it blew the game and he ranted about the power in our line-up and said something like "if you try to get in a slugfest with the sox, you'll often find yourself on losing side."

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 04:36 PM
I guess they have the best ERA in the Majors by coincidence then?

:rolleyes:

:?: What one has to do with the other, you got me

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:37 PM
Ok, will someone tell we why you give Ramirez anything to hit?

You want to start walking guys in the 9th inning of a tie game?

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:37 PM
Ok, will someone tell we why you give Ramirez anything to hit?
You don't want to walk the ****ing leadoff hitter who is the go ahead run. If he hits your pitch you tip your cap, if you walk him and he scores we're all bitching that Linebrink didn't throw strikes. God ****ing dammit I hate the Cubs!

JB98
06-20-2008, 04:37 PM
This thread is embarrassing. See you guys tomorrow.

Agreed. No reasoning with these people.

See ya later.

AJ Hellraiser
06-20-2008, 04:37 PM
Never make the first or 3rd out of an inning at 3rd base. It's one of the oldest cliche's there is. Last time BA tried it he got nailed. I am sure he and Cox were gun shy about having it happen again. Fukudome has a good arm too boot.

Don't know why I am bothering. This thread isn't for rational discussion...

Agree with you... of all things today, BA not trying to stretch it into a triple is the least of things that bother me...

We are a ML team with pinch hitter, 1 and 2 coming up...

I am not calling for Ozzie's head... but it was a perfect situation to PH Ozuna (our best bunter) and let 2 good contact hitters have a chance to score the run or hope for a wild pitch by Balsa-Wood...

I am beyond livid!!! :angry::angry:

BoKnowsBest
06-20-2008, 04:37 PM
I'm sorry we just pissed away our biggest game of the year to date so far, so I don't think anyone is being a "dark cloud" when they point out that we played like horse **** in this game. This should have been a Sox ****ing blow out, but becasue we have NO situational hitting and Dotel has some sort of ****ing mental block that causes him to suck in big games, I think a bit of anger is well ****ing justified here.

Why is this the biggest game of the year so far? I'd rather sweep the Twins, Tigers, Indians, or Royals because it directly influences the central standings. Yeah, great, its the Cubs, but this game is no more important than the series with the Pirates we just swept. The importance of this series is always overblown, its just another 3 games out of the 162 the Sox have to play. The lack of execution would be just as frustrating to me had they been playing any NL team, and more frustrating if they had been playing an AL central team.

kobo
06-20-2008, 04:38 PM
Hoping a player grounds out to second, when he is trying to get a hit is dumb. Just b/c he grounds out there a lot, it does not mean it is likely. He also strikes out a lot. And pops up a lot. Flies out a lot.
Sounds like just about every major league hitter.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 04:38 PM
To the people saying Ozzie should have left Danks in, do you really WANT Danks to be leading off the seventh inning? **** no. He pulled him for Uribe who did his job and got a ****ing hit. The rest of the ****ing team then decided to ****ing quit and Dotel, who I don't know what the **** is wrong with him, pissed it away. Dotel had been getting the job done all year, but he ****ed up today. I just wouldn't use him in big game situations anymore. Which will be tough if we make it to the ****ing playoffs.

Yeah I did. I wanted him leading off when he's dominating and we already have a multi run lead. Look at the other side. That moron Lou kept Lilly in with a lot more pitches and actually needing the runs

ondafarm
06-20-2008, 04:38 PM
Give me a break. You do not try to stretch that to a triple with 0 out. Anderson made the smart play by not risking it.

The rule is never make the first or third out of the inning at third. BA trying to stretch it (and I didn't see it so I can't tell you) would have possibly ben the first out there. I understand BA being a little cautious there.

ms620
06-20-2008, 04:38 PM
Agreed. No reasoning with these people.

See ya later.

You can't reason with people when you blindly stand by a manager regardless of his actions. Not understanding why people want someone up there to bunt, with a man on 2nd and 0 out, is just mind boggling. It is just common sense.

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:38 PM
Another brilliant managerial game by Ozzie!!

Anybody who still thinks he rates an "A" for his handling of pitching please contact me about purchasing the Brooklyn Bridge. I'll get you a deal.

I guess they have the best ERA in the Majors by coincidence then?

:rolleyes:

:?: What one has to do with the other, you got me

Seriously? :scratch: Really? You see no correlation between how well or poorly a manager handles his pitching staff and the team ERA?

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 04:39 PM
I think the posters here are dumb, and that Ozzie made the right move.

Obviously you are a moron. The potential winning run on second base with no outs, and you want a slugger who strikes out like crazy to hit? you have problems if you think that is the right move, idiot.

The correct move is to send ozuna, or wise up there to lay a bunt down and make sure he gets over to 3rd with less than two outs. only then can a fly ball help you.

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:39 PM
Why is this the biggest game of the year so far? I'd rather sweep the Twins, Tigers, Indians, or Royals because it directly influences the central standings. Yeah, great, its the Cubs, but this game is no more important than the series with the Pirates we just swept. The importance of this series is always overblown, its just another 3 games out of the 162 the Sox have to play. The lack of execution would be just as frustrating to me had they been playing any NL team, and more frustrating if they had been playing an AL central team.
Was the Twins series big? Yes. Is this series bigger? Yes.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:39 PM
This is how you get swept---by not winning the games you're supposed to win.

Ozzie ****ed up taking Danks out.

The offense didn't score as many runs as they should have.

Anderson should have had a triple in the 9th.

The bullpen sucked.
Did you forget they were playing in an NL ballpark? Were you going to trust Danks to get on base? That's a disadvantage to AL teams playing interleague games on the road. You hate to take out your starting pitcher when he's on a role, but you sometimes feel you have to be conservative when he's due up late in the game. In this case, Ozzie chose to do that. Yes, the Cubs had the heart of their order come up and they hurt us. That's the thing with baseball however. You make choices and you live with them.

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:40 PM
To the people saying Ozzie should have left Danks in, do you really WANT Danks to be leading off the seventh inning? **** no. He pulled him for Uribe who did his job and got a ****ing hit. The rest of the ****ing team then decided to ****ing quit and Dotel, who I don't know what the **** is wrong with him, pissed it away. Dotel had been getting the job done all year, but he ****ed up today. I just wouldn't use him in big game situations anymore. Which will be tough if we make it to the ****ing playoffs.

We were up 3-1. It's not like we were trailing or in a tie game in the 7th inning. Yeah Uribe did his job, but that still doesn't make it a good move. Danks was pretty flawless after the first inning and we went away from that for Dotel against the heart of the order. That wasn't a good situation to be put in.

Like I said, I like Dotel too but it wasn't a good decision to take out your starter who was absolutely dominating in the 7th inning.

markopat
06-20-2008, 04:40 PM
A lot of brilliant "POST GAME" comments. It sure is easy to look back at what really happened and say that Ozzie should have done it different. We wasted opportunities...our hitters didn't get the hits...and guess what the wind was blowing out in that crappy little weed-walled park for us the same as it was for them.

I say...

Let's Open up a CAN on them tomorrow...today is done!

Go Go SOX!

It's Time
06-20-2008, 04:40 PM
You want to start walking guys in the 9th inning of a tie game?

I mean in terms of giving that guy ANYTHING CLOSE to hit. Have you not seen what he has done to the Sox every ****ing year? You have to pitch him away.

Bill Melton: "How do you get Ramirez out? Everytime he is up against us, he's hitting a HR."

BoKnowsBest
06-20-2008, 04:41 PM
Was the Twins series big? Yes. Is this series bigger? Yes.

Why is this series bigger? The Twins are currently in 2nd in our division and can stand between the Sox making the playoffs. Yeah its a big series for the fans to get "bragging rights", but in the end none of that matters if the Sox don't make the playoffs.

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:41 PM
Did you forget they were playing in an NL ballpark? Were you going to trust Danks to get on base? That's a disadvantage to AL teams playing interleague games on the road. You hate to take out your starting pitcher when he's on a role, but you sometimes feel you have to be conservative when he's due up late in the game. In this case, Ozzie chose to do that. Yes, the Cubs had the heart of their order come up and they hurt us. That's the thing with baseball however. You make choices and you live with them.

If he gets out, so what? You still have a two run lead and it would only be the first out of the inning.

Some of you are putting too much context in playing in a National League ballpark.

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:41 PM
Yeah I did. I wanted him leading off when he's dominating and we already have a multi run lead. Look at the other side. That moron Lou kept Lilly in with a lot more pitches and actually needing the runs
Hind sight is a wonderful thing, no? Look, you're pitcher is leading off the seventh, he's looked good but your bullpen has been lights out, I go to the bullpen every time. Dotel didn't do his ****ing job today and that is why we ****ing lost.

Quentin08
06-20-2008, 04:41 PM
Anything more annoying than Cubs fans acting like they're the most proud fans in the world? Why the heck did they break out in that 'Go Cubs Go' song, I can't imagine being in that crowd as a Sox fan. :angry: Then I had to log on to the internet to see "Devotion to Cubs is beyond belief" as the top story on yahoo. That has to be the most ridiculous piece of garbage I've ever read. What's going on? :scratch:

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:41 PM
Was the Twins series big? Yes. Is this series bigger? Yes.

False. Division games are always more meaningful than this piece of **** series.

sox1970
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Did you forget they were playing in an NL ballpark? Were you going to trust Danks to get on base? That's a disadvantage to AL teams playing interleague games on the road. You hate to take out your starting pitcher when he's on a roll, but you sometimes feel you have to be conservative when he's due up late in the game. In this case, Ozzie chose to do that. Yes, the Cubs had the heart of their order come up and they hurt us. That's the thing with baseball however. You make choices and you live with them.

I don't want to hear it....Danks had the lead with only 85 pitches. You ride your starter as long as you can when he's doing well. If you give up an out to start the 7th, so be it.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Seriously? :scratch: Really? You see no correlation between how well or poorly a manager handles his pitching staff and the team ERA?

The players doing their job could have nothing to do with the manager. I don't see how that would be reflective of a manager handling the pitching staff at all. The outcome doesn't always say the manager put the player in the best position to succeed, something I don't think Ozzie did at all with Dotel today

Cuck the Fubs
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Was the Twins series big? Yes. Is this series bigger? Yes.

What?!?!?:scratch:

Okay I've seen enough, too many people have lost their ****ing minds over this :angry:

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Anything more annoying than Cubs fans acting like they're the most proud fans in the world? Why the heck did they break out in that 'Go Cubs Go' song, I can't imagine being in that crowd as a Sox fan. :angry: Then I had to log on to the internet to see "Devotion to Cubs is beyond belief" as the top story on yahoo. That has to be the most ridiculous piece of garbage I've ever read. What's going on? :scratch:

Because that's what the Cubs do when they win?

If you don't like the song, don't let them win. It's that simple.

WhiteSox5187
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
If he gets out, so what? You still have a two run lead and it would only be the first out of the inning.

Some of you are putting too much context in playing in a National League ballpark.
At that point in the game you're trying to increase your lead, Danks' bat will not help us do that. It's not Ozzie's fault that nobody can get a clutch ****ing hit.

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Anything more annoying than Cubs fans acting like they're the most proud fans in the world? Why the heck did they break out in that 'Go Cubs Go' song,

They do that every game after they win.

russ99
06-20-2008, 04:42 PM
Did you forget they were playing in an NL ballpark? Were you going to trust Danks to get on base? That's a disadvantage to AL teams playing interleague games on the road. You hate to take out your starting pitcher when he's on a role, but you sometimes feel you have to be conservative when he's due up late in the game. In this case, Ozzie chose to do that. Yes, the Cubs had the heart of their order come up and they hurt us. That's the thing with baseball however. You make choices and you live with them.

And we have a pretty solid Dotel - Linebrink - Jenks setup for the rest of the game. I have no problem with taking Danks out when he did.

Like I said, you have to give them credit for hitting off our relievers (btw - that Linebrink pitch was pretty good)

The reason we lost was not capitalizing on our own opportunities when leading and late, especially against a guy like Howry who's had a pretty weak season.

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:43 PM
I'm sorry we just pissed away our biggest game of the year to date so far, so I don't think anyone is being a "dark cloud" when they point out that we played like horse **** in this game. This should have been a Sox ****ing blow out, but becasue we have NO situational hitting and Dotel has some sort of ****ing mental block that causes him to suck in big games, I think a bit of anger is well ****ing justified here.

This is actually one of the least important games of the year. Every game against Baltimore means more than these games do. Don't let the hype blind you to the truth. Games against any NL opponent are far less important than games against any AL opponent.

Tragg
06-20-2008, 04:43 PM
Octavio Dotel simply can not be trusted in big game situations. It's as simple as that.
I don't know if it's big situations, but he is an absolute arsonist...what he did today is what he has done with regularity his entire career. It's not every day, it's every 6th or so appearance...but regularly so. He also strikes out a lot of hitters. But this stuff happens and it happens a lot.

When small ball makes sense -late in the game when it's tied - the Sox don't use it. Not surprising.

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:43 PM
I don't want to hear it....Danks had the lead with only 85 pitches. You ride your starter as long as you can when he's doing well. If you give up an out to start the 7th, so be it.

Thank God someone else said it. I know our bullpen has been good this year, but Danks only had 85 pitches through 6. You have to ride your starter in that situation.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 04:43 PM
Hind sight is a wonderful thing, no? Look, you're pitcher is leading off the seventh, he's looked good but your bullpen has been lights out, I go to the bullpen every time. Dotel didn't do his ****ing job today and that is why we ****ing lost.

Dotel has good stats against crappy teams, he's shown plenty of flashes of giving it up when it mattered. Wind blowing up, facing their best hitters...and no, Unless you were in my living room, where I was screaming when he pinch hit, then you can't tell me about hindsight

Quentin08
06-20-2008, 04:43 PM
They do that every game after they win.

I didn't know that. Since when?

cards press box
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Obviously you are a moron. The potential winning run on second base with no outs, and you want a slugger who strikes out like crazy to hit? you have problems if you think that is the right move, idiot.

The correct move is to send ozuna, or wise up there to lay a bunt down and make sure he gets over to 3rd with less than two outs. only then can a fly ball help you.

Hold on a minute, here. Wood is a hard thrower. It is no cinch for anyone, including a good bunter like Ozuna, to lay down a sacrifice against Wood. Thome is a dead pull hitter. If he would have grounded out, he almost certainly would have advanced the runner to 3rd or home (with a single). I had no problem with Thome pinch hitting for Thornton.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Anything more annoying than Cubs fans acting like they're the most proud fans in the world? Why the heck did they break out in that 'Go Cubs Go' song, I can't imagine being in that crowd as a Sox fan. :angry: Then I had to log on to the internet to see "Devotion to Cubs is beyond belief" as the top story on yahoo. That has to be the most ridiculous piece of garbage I've ever read. What's going on? :scratch:
Do what I did and shut off the TV the second the ball lands over the fence.

Frankfan4life
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Nice try, but you might as well be spitting on a forest fire...I would hope we could lose this game with dignity.

Right now there are more guests than members reading this thread. I guess all I can say to them is "enjoy the show." This is Sox fans at their finest!

Gavin
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Rolly eyes. We're going to need more rolly eyes.

sox1970
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Do what I did and shut off the TV the second the ball lands over the fence.

Ditto.

North Sox Sider
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Dotel is my new Damaso Marte. I dont want to see him anywhere near the mound the rest of the weekend.

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:44 PM
Was the Twins series big? Yes. Is this series bigger? Yes.

Bull****, no matter how much grief you are going to take from your flubbie buddies and how muchy you hate their team, this series is for show. It's 3 more games in the grand scheme of things.

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:45 PM
At that point in the game you're trying to increase your lead, Danks' bat will not help us do that. It's not Ozzie's fault that nobody can get a clutch ****ing hit.

Yeah I know you try to increase your lead, but even if Danks makes an out, you still have two more outs to work with in that inning with the top of the order due up.

Again, I could understand taking him out if we were trailing or if the game was tied, but we had a two run lead. Keep him in there.

MsSoxVixen22
06-20-2008, 04:45 PM
OK, now that I've taken a couple of deep breaths, let's just take the next two. This will be the only game the Cubs win!

Quentin08
06-20-2008, 04:45 PM
Do what I did and shut off the TV the second the ball lands over the fence.

I did that exact same thing. But then I turned it back on after 30 seconds. :angry: Let's go get em tomorrow.

whitesoxfan
06-20-2008, 04:45 PM
Dotel is my new Damaso Marte. I dont want to see him anywhere near the mound the rest of the weekend.

That's just stupid.

KenBerryGrab
06-20-2008, 04:46 PM
My boss was wondering what was up when I chucked my headphones against the wall of the cube.

XOS THW
06-20-2008, 04:46 PM
When Ozzie pulled Danks, it was like he was pulling the rug out from under the team.

russ99
06-20-2008, 04:46 PM
No, this isn't an very important game for the Sox, but it is for the fans.
We wanted our guys to set the tone, especially after last year's embarassment.

Here's hoping Contreras has a big game tomorrow. :D:

RadioheadRocks
06-20-2008, 04:46 PM
As soon as I saw Dotel in the bullpen while Uribe was pinch-hitting for Danks I knew we were in trouble. Cooper, stop whatever it is you're doing and work with Dotel RIGHT NOW!!!

Once again runners all over the bases and then poof, absolute zero. How many more times are we going to strand a leadoff double without even advance him anywhere near third??? :angry::angry::angry:

I wasn't expecting a sweep, but this one should have been a W. Danks sure as hell deserved better.

Law11
06-20-2008, 04:46 PM
How many doubles did we leave at 2b today?
They blew this as a team..
Ozzie, Crede, Dotel, Thome (way to take a pitch) Linebrink etc..

This is typical of the Cubs. They know how to win in late innings,
We dont.. thats why scoring those runs early that we left on base over and over again will win us games. When we dont we leave ourselves open to a few bad pitches costing us a game.

What blows is the fact that if this were a game we got blown out of so be it.
But to blow games in late innings is inexcusable.. Dotel better get himself in gear. He's thrown a few gopher balls of late.

Onto tomorrow...

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 04:46 PM
Hold on a minute, here. Wood is a hard thrower. It is no cinch for anyone, including a good bunter like Ozuna, to lay down a sacrifice against Wood. Thome is a dead pull hitter. If he would have grounded out, he almost certainly would have advanced the runner to 3rd or home (with a single). I had no problem with Thome pinch hitting for Thornton.

agreed, it is certainly not 100% that even a good bunter will get one down. but the chances of pablo putting one down to move brian over are WAY higher than thome hitting a ground ball to the right side. Thome has been way too inconsistent at the plate. The correct play is the bunt.

DSpivack
06-20-2008, 04:47 PM
When Ozzie pulled Danks, it was like he was pulling the rug out from under the team.

:rolling:

It's too bad Ozzie doesn't have better pitches. Perhaps we need new relievers, as Guillen isn't cutting it.

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:47 PM
What?!?!?:scratch:

Okay I've seen enough, too many people have lost their ****ing minds over this :angry:

How come a guy with your user name can see the obviousness of this statement and the ones with WhiteSox in their name can't?

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 04:47 PM
I didn't read through the thread but here are my points from the game and the only comments I will make:
A) John Danks might be the unluckiest pitcher of all time.

B) I have no problem with bringing Dotel in for the 7th, unfortunately he may have pitched himself out of that situation for awhile.

C) Did the 15 inning game from a couple weeks ago impact today? I wonder if Anderson had a flashback that led to him only getting to 2nd

D) I understand why Thome was on deck, but as soon as Anderson got the double it became Pablo's spot to pinch hit.

Madscout
06-20-2008, 04:48 PM
The top of the ninth is why Thome should not be on this team next year. All we need is for him to make contact, and he swings for the fences on the first pitch and pops it up. That **** blows the game for us. He might as well be a rookie with power.

russ99
06-20-2008, 04:48 PM
What about the last few games where Dotel was lights out? Striking out the side? Please. Only the pitch to Lee was a real cookie.

tdwiek
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
I'm sure glad I wasn't at this game. Not sure I could have stood all those Flub fans celebrating...

EdHerman12
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
Sad to say, but today's philosophy of pitching in the major leeagues is killing baseball. I remember when most starting pitchers could go 7, 7 even 9 innings even if they were struggling. Nowadays, it's all pitch count and stuff like that. JD got robbed by Ozzie's decision today. I don't know why Oz has such a hard on for Dotel, but....that's that. We have to score runs too. I thought from the start we'd take 2 of 3 there, so I'm confident we'll take gthe next two. It hurst but that's baseball...oh BTW as usual the Ranger is on the radio playing the company man.....a little pip squeak Cardinals fan doing a post game show....saying Oziie didn't make a mistake taking out Denks....ok Ranger.....company boy. Tomorrow is another day.

GO SOX!

LITTLE NELL
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
You play 162 games and try to win as many as you can,so in that context this game is just as important as the other 161. Is it more important? No. Now lets win the next 2.

sox1970
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
The top of the ninth is why Thome should not be on this team after the All-Star break. All we need is for him to make contact, and he swings for the fences on the first pitch and pops it up. That **** blows the game for us. He might as well be a rookie with power.

Fixed it for you. [half teal]

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
Do what I did and shut off the TV the second the ball lands over the fence.

Ditto.

Me 3 and I wish I didn't have to be here either, but that's what we do...

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:49 PM
Dotel is my new Damaso Marte. I dont want to see him anywhere near the mound the rest of the weekend.
If that's true, then I'm one of the top prospects in the NBA Draft.:rolleyes:

MetroPD
06-20-2008, 04:50 PM
I blame the guy what asked during the game where the vaunted Cubs hitting was at? After that, it was all downhill.

Madscout
06-20-2008, 04:50 PM
What about the last few games where Dotel was lights out? Striking out the side? Please. Only the pitch to Lee was a real cookie.
I agree. That pitch to Ramierez was low and away, and he just got lucky and made good contact.
Cubs didn't exactly manufacture runs here either. 3 solo shots and a run in from a double play.

cards press box
06-20-2008, 04:51 PM
Thank God someone else said it. I know our bullpen has been good this year, but Danks only had 85 pitches through 6. You have to ride your starter in that situation.

I have to disagree with this, too. Danks had given the Sox 6 strong innings and was leading off the 7th. Danks has a history of tiring after 75 pitches. Moreover, the Cubs had the heart of their right handed lineup coming up in the bottom of the 7th inning. Bringing Dotel (or Masset or even Linebrink) was the soundest move available.

I just don't understand questioning moves because they didn't work out. The better question is this: was the move the right one when it was made?

Law11
06-20-2008, 04:51 PM
I'm sure glad I wasn't at this game. Not sure I could have stood all those Flub fans celebrating...

Thats why I stopped going up there.. Ive seen too many losses there and took too much crap when leaving..

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 04:51 PM
Sad to say, but today's philosophy of pitching in the major leeagues is killing baseball. I remember when most starting pitchers could go 7, 7 even 9 innings even if they were struggling. Nowadays, it's all pitch count and stuff like that. JD got robbed by Ozzie's decision today. I don't know why Oz has such a hard on for Dotel, but....that's that. We have to score runs too. I thought from the start we'd take 2 of 3 there, so I'm confident we'll take gthe next two. It hurst but that's baseball...oh BTW as usual the Ranger is on the radio playing the company man.....a little pip squeak Cardinals fan doing a post game show....saying Oziie didn't make a mistake taking out Denks....ok Ranger.....company boy. Tomorrow is another day.

GO SOX!
Ozzie made the right move in the 7th. I am not putting the 7th on Ozzie. We got Dotel to pitch the 7th and Linebrink to pitch the 8th so we can shorten the game to Jenks in the 9th. This game was a picture perfect game as far as Ozzie and Kenny are concerned, at least until Dotel served up meatballs.

russ99
06-20-2008, 04:51 PM
Actually, I want Dotel back in the game tomorrow. Throwing a high inside one to Ramirez to back him off the plate.

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:51 PM
How many doubles did we leave at 2b today?
They blew this as a team..
Ozzie, Crede, Dotel, Thome (way to take a pitch) Linebrink etc..

Thanks for your rationality in this thread, but it's way too late... Ozzie and Dotel only blew this game. Everybody else gets an ice cream cone for trying very hard.

voodoochile
06-20-2008, 04:52 PM
I blame the guy what asked during the game where the vaunted Cubs hitting was at? After that, it was all downhill.

NO, blame me... I started the new game thread because the old one reached 500 posts and switched the way I was sitting on my couch.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 04:52 PM
Do what I did and shut off the TV the second the ball lands over the fence.
That's exactly what I did, and I tried to get my mind off of it a bit by immediately cleaning up in the kitchen...didn't work. This game pissed me off! Why, Dotel, why??? :angry:

That team still hasn't won a championship in 100 years, so that still is good to use when necessary.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-20-2008, 04:52 PM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3382/90052650jy2.jpg
***? We mess up once and now the Cubs have a better bullpen than us? :scratch:

doublem23
06-20-2008, 04:53 PM
Ozzie made the right move in the 7th. I am not putting the 7th on Ozzie. We got Dotel to pitch the 7th and Linebrink to pitch the 8th so we can shorten the game to Jenks in the 9th. This game was a picture perfect game as far as Ozzie and Kenny are concerned, at least until Dotel served up meatballs.

I agree, with a 2-run lead you got to go for the kill.

Had John pitched the 7th and Lee and Ramirez went back to back off Danks, everyone here screaming for Ozzie's head would be screaming WHY DIDN'T HE PINCH HIT FOR DANKS IN THE TOP OF THE 7TH?

If the Sox had driven in a few more runs today, then you can ride Danks as long as you want, but a 2-run lead in the Shrine with the wind blowing out isn't safe.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 04:53 PM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3382/90052650jy2.jpg
***? We mess up once and now the Cubs have a better bullpen than us? :scratch:
Keep in mind the feed CSN had today and the people voting in this poll. They clearly forgot about last night's game. Wins do that to them.

Madscout
06-20-2008, 04:53 PM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3382/90052650jy2.jpg
***? We mess up once and now the Cubs have a better bullpen than us? :scratch:
Who the **** cares.

Law11
06-20-2008, 04:54 PM
http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/3382/90052650jy2.jpg
***? We mess up once and now the Cubs have a better bullpen than us? :scratch:

They did today.. Our bullpen cost is the game among other things and theirs held us at 3 runs..

Rdy2PlayBall
06-20-2008, 04:54 PM
Who the **** cares.Woh, calm down buddy. ;)

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 04:55 PM
I agree, with a 2-run lead you got to go for the kill.

Had Ozzie pitched the 7th and Lee and Ramirez went back to back off Danks, everyone here screaming for Ozzie's head would be screaming WHY DIDN'T HE PINCH HIT FOR DANKS IN THE TOP OF THE 7TH?

If the Sox had driven in a few more runs today, then you can ride Danks as long as you want.
About as perfect as it could be said. The only other option would have been go with Danks til he give up a baserunner but the fact he led off made the decision for Ozzie.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Ozzie made the right move in the 7th. I am not putting the 7th on Ozzie. We got Dotel to pitch the 7th and Linebrink to pitch the 8th so we can shorten the game to Jenks in the 9th. This game was a picture perfect game as far as Ozzie and Kenny are concerned, at least until Dotel served up meatballs.

Based on what? Why are you the authoritative body on judging the decisions. 'Dotel in the 7th, Linebrink in the 8th, Jenks in the 9th' is a pretty objective way to make decisions. I don't see why you'd want that in baseball. You're not taking into account the starting pitcher, pitch count, opposing batter, etc

TomBradley72
06-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Was the Twins series big? Yes. Is this series bigger? Yes.

No it's not. Any series with a team we are directly contending against for a post season spot (Twins, Indians, Tigers...later in the season, wild card contenders if applicable) is bigger than this series.

Medford Bobby
06-20-2008, 04:56 PM
mantra for tonight: GO D-BACKS!!

Frontman
06-20-2008, 04:56 PM
Ozzie shouldn't even bother anymore. He made every single wrong decision you could make. Fire his dumb bitching ass

So, because one of the Cubs best hitting players hit a walk off home run, Ozzie made the wrong decision?

You know, I used to hate these weekends for the Cubs fans who immediately will go "Dis is our year, da win today proves it. Book 'em for October!!!" routine.

I know find something that annoys me more. Sox fans who can't handle a loss. It's part of the game.

Are the Sox in first place still with the loss? Yes?

Then don't worry unless this series knocks them out of contention. Period.

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 04:57 PM
They did today.. Our bullpen cost is the game among other things and theirs held us at 3 runs..

While the bullpen didn't hold their own, our offense cost us the game more than our pitching did.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 04:58 PM
This thread ****ing blows.

Taking out Danks WORKED. Dotel was likely coming in for the 7th anyway with a 2 run lead, and Uribe got the hit that Danks would not have. Our bullpen is the best in baseball, and you have to lean on them when it's late and close. Blame Dotel for making 2 bad pitches, but don't blame Ozzie for going to him when he's been nails for the majority of the season. Blame Ozzie when he puts the wrong guy in. Don't bitch about it when he puts the RIGHT guy in and he screws up.

Bitching about BA not going for 3rd is pointless. You do not make the first out at 3rd. Period. It wasn't guaranteed that he'd make it there, so you rely on the next hitters to get him in. On top of that, he wouldn't have scored from 3rd anyway. 2 weak pop-ups and a strike out doesn't score a runner from 3rd.

Bitching about putting in Thome is pointless as well. Putting in our best available hitter, a left-handed one at that, against a right handed closer is a smart move. Don't blame Ozzie for putting him in, blame Thome for popping out on the first pitch.


God, do some of the people on here infuriate me. Just because we lost to the Cubs doesn't mean that you have to become senseless bitching machines.

XOS THW
06-20-2008, 04:58 PM
I'm not answering my cell phone anymore...7 cubs fans calling me i gave an earful to 2.

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 04:58 PM
Based on what? Why are you the authoritative body on judging the decisions. 'Dotel in the 7th, Linebrink in the 8th, Jenks in the 9th' is a pretty objective way to make decisions. I don't see why you'd want that in baseball. You're not taking into account the starting pitcher, pitch count, opposing batter, etc
WHat else was a pitcher like Dotel and Linebrink brought here for? Long relief, starter or closer when we have one of the games best? No they were brought here with the idea of turning games into 6 inning games. Hell Ozzie and Kenny said as much in the offseason.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 05:00 PM
I'm not answering my cell phone anymore...7 cubs fans calling me i gave an earful to 2.
I shut mine off after AJ struck out. I have a Cubs fan friend at the game and I KNOW he sent me something. I just don't wanna see what it is right now.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 05:00 PM
mantra for tonight: GO D-BACKS!!
You couldn't be more right! God, do I hope the D-backs can sweep those Twinkies in the worst way. Let's hope the Big Unit has his dominating stuff tonight. They also have to face Owings and Webb this weekend!!!

EdHerman12
06-20-2008, 05:01 PM
Ozzie made the right move in the 7th. I am not putting the 7th on Ozzie. We got Dotel to pitch the 7th and Linebrink to pitch the 8th so we can shorten the game to Jenks in the 9th. This game was a picture perfect game as far as Ozzie and Kenny are concerned, at least until Dotel served up meatballs.


Another Generation Xer heard from....you missed out on teh "good old days" my friend.

GO SOX!

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 05:01 PM
This thread ****ing blows.

Taking out Danks WORKED. Dotel was likely coming in for the 7th anyway with a 2 run lead, and Uribe got the hit that Danks would not have. Our bullpen is the best in baseball, and you have to lean on them when it's late and close. Blame Dotel for making 2 bad pitches, but don't blame Ozzie for going to him when he's been nails for the majority of the season. Blame Ozzie when he puts the wrong guy in. Don't bitch about it when he puts the RIGHT guy in and he screws up.

Bitching about BA not going for 3rd is pointless. You do not make the first out at 3rd. Period. It wasn't guaranteed that he'd make it there, so you rely on the next hitters to get him in. On top of that, he wouldn't have scored from 3rd anyway. 2 weak pop-ups and a strike out doesn't score a runner from 3rd.

Bitching about putting in Thome is pointless as well. Putting in our best hitter, a left-handed one at that, against a right handed closer is a smart move. Don't blame Ozzie for putting him in, blame Thome for popping out on the first pitch.


God, do some of the people on here infuriate me. Just because we lost to the Cubs doesn't mean that you have to become senseless bitching machines.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, best hitter, HAHAHAHAHA.

gobears1987
06-20-2008, 05:01 PM
:darkcloud::threadsucks

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 05:02 PM
Bitching about putting in Thome is pointless as well. Putting in our best hitter, a left-handed one at that, against a right handed closer is a smart move. Don't blame Ozzie for putting him in, blame Thome for popping out on the first pitch.


.
I will bitch about this. 9th inning tied game. We got a man on 2nd with 0 outs and a good bunter in Pablo on the bench. Not to mention we have one of the games best closers ready to come in and shut the door. If Anderson led off with a triple or made an out then yes Thome is the right decision, but in that situation that was presented it should have been Pablo and only Pablo.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:02 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, best hitter, HAHAHAHAHA.

I already fixed it. He's the best AVAILABLE hitter. Who would you have put in there instead?

AzureJazzMan
06-20-2008, 05:02 PM
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry:
How many more games can this team lose, because they don't know how to hit with RISP???!!!??? I am sick of it!!!! The way this team bats is ridiculously streaky!!! They have taken on the personality of their hitting coach, who throughout his careeer was the exact same way!!!! Greg Walker wouldn't know how to teach hitting fundamentals if the spirit of Charlie Lau took over his body!!!! I am sick of him and this team's all or nothing battitude (yes, I mean battitude) at the plate!!! Greg Walker Must Go!...................(deep breath...sigh)....Ok, now that I got that out of my system....Let's take the rest of this series starting tomorrow! GO WHITE SOX!!! :D:

gobears1987
06-20-2008, 05:03 PM
:dumbpeople:
This sums up a good portion of the thread.

TomBradley72
06-20-2008, 05:03 PM
Dotel's stats over the last 30 days:

1.17 ERA
20 K's/5 BBs
0.98 WHIP

Hard to see how this can be argued as a bad move, especially when the pinch hitter came through with a lead off single.

Law11
06-20-2008, 05:03 PM
Just remember folks get the emotions in check before you post...
Passionate is what its all about at WSI but bashing each other
can get you in WSI jail for a few days..

This type of game will boil the blood but we're all in this together.

get em tomorrow JOSE!

CHISOXFAN13
06-20-2008, 05:04 PM
I shut mine off after AJ struck out. I have a Cubs fan friend at the game and I KNOW he sent me something. I just don't wanna see what it is right now.

I wish I was as strong as you. I've burned some bridges today for sure.

Cuck the Fubs
06-20-2008, 05:04 PM
How come a guy with your user name can see the obviousness of this statement and the ones with WhiteSox in their name can't?

Don't judge a poster by his screename :wink:

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 05:05 PM
Another Generation Xer heard from....you missed out on teh "good old days" my friend.

GO SOX!
I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean? "Good ole days" meaning you leave Danks in? For 8 innings Ozzie managed a perfect game. His only mistake was Thome instead of using Pablo to bunt.

CHISOXFAN13
06-20-2008, 05:05 PM
Just remember folks get the emotions in check before you post...
Passionate is what its all about at WSI but bashing each other
can get you in WSI jail for a few days..

This type of game will boil the blood but we're all in this together.

get em tomorrow JOSE!

You've been a great voice of reason in this whole thread, which I'm sure has not been easy for you with what has happened this week.

Thanks for keeping it in perspective, buddy.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 05:05 PM
This thread will reach three tomatoes by nightfall. Book it.

russ99
06-20-2008, 05:05 PM
This thread ****ing blows.

Taking out Danks WORKED. Dotel was likely coming in for the 7th anyway with a 2 run lead, and Uribe got the hit that Danks would not have. Our bullpen is the best in baseball, and you have to lean on them when it's late and close. Blame Dotel for making 2 bad pitches, but don't blame Ozzie for going to him when he's been nails for the majority of the season. Blame Ozzie when he puts the wrong guy in. Don't bitch about it when he puts the RIGHT guy in and he screws up.

Bitching about BA not going for 3rd is pointless. You do not make the first out at 3rd. Period. It wasn't guaranteed that he'd make it there, so you rely on the next hitters to get him in. On top of that, he wouldn't have scored from 3rd anyway. 2 weak pop-ups and a strike out doesn't score a runner from 3rd.

Bitching about putting in Thome is pointless as well. Putting in our best available hitter, a left-handed one at that, against a right handed closer is a smart move. Don't blame Ozzie for putting him in, blame Thome for popping out on the first pitch.


God, do some of the people on here infuriate me. Just because we lost to the Cubs doesn't mean that you have to become senseless bitching machines.

Very well put. And for those naysayers, Thome was indeed the best pinch hitter we had available on the bench (Wise, Ozuna and Hall were also available). Are you going to let Thornton bat?

I would have moved the runner over with Ozuna myself, but you're right, Thome was the one who executed poorly. He should have worked the count and either tried to draw a walk or hit something the opposite way to move up the runner.

Also, the Sox blew plenty of earlier opprtunities too, You can't solely blame Big Jim despite that we got the worst outcome from his at-bat.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 05:05 PM
Does anyone at least feel a little bad for Danks? He could've easily had 3 or 4 more wins right now if he could get more run support, or the bullpen doesn't blow it for him.

Law11
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
You've been a great voice of reason in this whole thread, which I'm sure has not been easy for you with what has happened this week.

Thanks for keeping it in perspective, buddy.

Its because of what happened this week that I can look at this without bashing my TV to bits hearing that damn Cub song..

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
I already fixed it. He's the best AVAILABLE hitter. Who would you have put in there instead?
Pablo in a bunt the runner to 3rd situation.

Frontman
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
Just remember folks get the emotions in check before you post...
Passionate is what its all about at WSI but bashing each other
can get you in WSI jail for a few days..

This type of game will boil the blood but we're all in this together.

get em tomorrow JOSE!

Yeah, the last time I checked we're all wearing the same uniform. Let's keep it civil. Sorry if I was insulting.

RadioheadRocks
06-20-2008, 05:06 PM
Does anyone at least feel a little bad for Danks? He could've easily had 3 or 4 more wins right now if he could get more run support, or the bullpen doesn't blow it for him.


... or a combination of the two?

LITTLE NELL
06-20-2008, 05:08 PM
:angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:: angry:
How many more games can this team lose, because they don't know how to hit with RISP???!!!??? I am sick of it!!!! The way this team bats is ridiculously streaky!!! They have taken on the personality of their hitting coach, who throughout his careeer was the exact same way!!!! Greg Walker wouldn't know how to teach hitting fundamentals if the spirit of Charlie Lau took over his body!!!! I am sick of him and this team's all or nothing battitude (yes, I mean battitude) at the plate!!! Greg Walker Must Go!...................(deep breath...sigh)....Ok, now that I got that out of my system....Let's take the rest of this series starting tomorrow! GO WHITE SOX!!! :D:
This team will either win or die by the Home Run

cheezheadsoxfan
06-20-2008, 05:09 PM
Why is this the biggest game of the year so far? I'd rather sweep the Twins, Tigers, Indians, or Royals because it directly influences the central standings. Yeah, great, its the Cubs, but this game is no more important than the series with the Pirates we just swept. The importance of this series is always overblown, its just another 3 games out of the 162 the Sox have to play. The lack of execution would be just as frustrating to me had they been playing any NL team, and more frustrating if they had been playing an AL central team.

Give me an Amen!

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 05:09 PM
This team will either win or die by the Home Run
Post of the thread.

Lip Man 1
06-20-2008, 05:09 PM
This pretty much reflects the season. Eight guys left on base, a bunch on second base with less then two outs. Not a single hit with runners in scoring position. Another wasted starting pitching performance. You hope some of these missed chances don't come back to bite the Sox on the rear end in September.

I think I was most upset with Thome. Man on 2nd base in the 9th inning, no outs and he swings at the first pitch he sees. Crede who had a rest yesterday, didn't distinguish himself either 2 Ks, 1 pop-up, 1 DP (all with runners in SP). Live by the HR and today they died by it.

Very, very winnable game that we just let slip by.

Get them tomorrow.

Lip

russ99
06-20-2008, 05:10 PM
One thing non-baseball related: I was a bit disappointed by the overwhelming number of Cub fans there today. We've had a lot bigger numbers at Wrigley the last few seasons, let's hope that's better tomorrow, along with the outcome.

soxpride724
06-20-2008, 05:11 PM
Im not one to make excuses like the other end of town, but we did give this one away. The bullpen just couldn't do it and the offense blew too many opportunities.

RadioheadRocks
06-20-2008, 05:11 PM
This pretty much reflects the season. Eight guys left on base, a bunch on second base with less then two outs. Not a single hit with runners in scoring position. Another wasted starting pitching performance. You hope some of these missed chances don't come back to bite the Sox on the rear end in September.... Live by the HR and today they died by it.

Very, very winnable game that we just let slip by.

Get them tomorrow.

Lip

One of many so far this season, and that's the bulk of the frustration right there.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 05:12 PM
You are biased in how you are judging the decisions if you say 'taking out Danks worked', I value Danks facing their lineup more than the single. I've already made the point about 50 times here, but in short, I don't see why you take out the guy cruising and dominating to roll the dice with 3 different pitchers when you don't need to. You sign a guy for the 7th when your starting pitcher struggles, labors, throws over 100 pitches, etc. Whatever though, I guess there's a contingent here that will only agree with Ozzie.

And yes, the series is important. It's a test for the players. Not only against a team with a good record, but an atmosphere that comes close to the playoffs. This is also the biggest coverage this series has ever gotten. Not just locally, but nationally. Now we have to put up with the myth that the Cubs are this juggernaut just because Ozzie handed them the game. It's not a surprise to me that the people who are saying this game isn't a big deal (speaking of hindsight, after we lost), don't live in Chicago. Things you can't measure, like momentum, DO MATTER.

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 05:12 PM
Does anyone at least feel a little bad for Danks? He could've easily had 3 or 4 more wins right now if he could get more run support, or the bullpen doesn't blow it for him.
I said in my initial post today that he may be the unluckiest pitcher in baseball history. Last season how many games did he go 5,6,7 innings leave with a lead and a guy or 2 on base only for the pen to blow it? He should of had 10 wins last season and should have at least 8 this year.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:14 PM
Pablo in a bunt the runner to 3rd situation.

I must have missed about ten seasons of baseball here. When did Ozuna become a more reliable hitter than Jim Thome? Just because Thome didn't execute doesn't mean that he couldn't. You're arguing a maybe here. Maybe Ozuna bunts him over. If he does, do the next 2 guys up magically not screw up? The guys that were up after BA didn't even move him to 3rd, nor would their outs have moved him home from 3rd.

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:16 PM
I must have missed about ten seasons of baseball here. When did Ozuna become a more reliable hitter than Jim Thome? Just because Thome didn't execute doesn't mean that he couldn't. You're arguing a maybe here. Maybe Ozuna bunts him over. If he does, do the next 2 guys up magically not screw up? The guys that were up after BA didn't even move him to 3rd, nor would their outs have moved him home from 3rd.

Not to mention, the wind was blowing out at 20-25 mph. Why the hell would you play for just one run?

Pods4455
06-20-2008, 05:17 PM
I hate to bring this up with all the other bitching going on or start "we were robbed" bull****, but really? The cabrera homer? ***?

That's all Im saying about it.

And if I get beer poured on me tomorrow someone is going to have to come bail me out of cook county jail. I have a 2 month old and the only time I could get a sitter for him to go see the sox/cubs was unfortunatley @ wrigley but I swear on all that's holy.. if ONE person spills beer on me... Im probably going to go to jail. :angry:

russ99
06-20-2008, 05:17 PM
This pretty much reflects the season. Eight guys left on base, a bunch on second base with less then two outs. Not a single hit with runners in scoring position. Another wasted starting pitching performance. You hope some of these missed chances don't come back to bite the Sox on the rear end in September.

I think I was most upset with Thome. Man on 2nd base in the 9th inning, no outs and he swings at the first pitch he sees. Crede who had a rest yesterday, didn't distinguish himself either 2 Ks, 1 pop-up, 1 DP (all with runners in SP). Live by the HR and today they died by it.

Very, very winnable game that we just let slip by.

Get them tomorrow.

Lip

The funny thing about the Sox' problem with RISP is that it seems the Sox hitters can get it done without the long ball when we are either leading or behind by a few runs.

Its when games are tight, and low scoring games in pressure situations is when we can't get guys in without hitting homers, which leads me to believe it's mostly a mental issue rather than any lack of talent.

soxcrazy49
06-20-2008, 05:17 PM
Does anyone at least feel a little bad for Danks? He could've easily had 3 or 4 more wins right now if he could get more run support, or the bullpen doesn't blow it for him.

Maybe the coaching staff should take a memo, look at the games, look at the ERA, see that the kid can pitch, and quit pulling him so damn early. If he had over 100 pitches or was even working hard, I can see the argument, I couldn't see it then and I still can't see it, Ozzie cost us the game, plain and simple.

This smiley = :) = the Cubs hitters after seeing Danks leave the game

getonbckthr
06-20-2008, 05:18 PM
I must have missed about ten seasons of baseball here. When did Ozuna become a more reliable hitter than Jim Thome? Just because Thome didn't execute doesn't mean that he couldn't. You're arguing a maybe here. Maybe Ozuna bunts him over. If he does, do the next 2 guys up magically not screw up? The guys that were up after BA didn't even move him to 3rd, nor would their outs have moved him home from 3rd.
I have more faith in Pablo bunting Anderson over than a .220 hitter getting a hit.
Not to mention, the wind was blowing out at 20-25 mph. Why the hell would you play for just one run?
Because 1 run would be enough with Bobby Jenks as your closer.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:18 PM
I hate to bring this up with all the other bitching going on or start "we were robbed" bull****, but really? The cabrera homer? ***?

That's all Im saying about it.

And if I get beer poured on me tomorrow someone is going to have to come bail me out of cook county jail. I have a 2 month old and the only time I could get a sitter for him to go see the sox/cubs was unfortunatley @ wrigley but I swear on all that's holy.. if ONE person spills beer on me... Im probably going to go to jail. :angry:

This is the mentality that ruins ballgames for all. Maintain your cool and enjoy your day at the ballgame. It's one game in the scheme of things. Don't let it ruin your day/criminal record, bruh.

kevingrt
06-20-2008, 05:20 PM
Not to mention, the wind was blowing out at 20-25 mph. Why the hell would you play for just one run?

Because we only needed one run to take the lead.

Frontman
06-20-2008, 05:20 PM
This is the mentality that ruins ballgames for all. Maintain your cool and enjoy your day at the ballgame. It's one game in the scheme of things. Don't let it ruin your day/criminal record, bruh.

Agreed. If it happens, remain calm, grab security, laugh as the guy gets escorted out.

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:21 PM
I have more faith in Pablo bunting Anderson over than a .220 hitter getting a hit.

Because 1 run would be enough with Bobby Jenks as your closer.

In those conditions, you can make a quality pitch and still give up a homer.

I say go for the big inning, especially since that is the White Sox identity as a team. We are not a small ball, get 'em on, get 'em over, get 'em in kind of team.

RadioheadRocks
06-20-2008, 05:22 PM
In those conditions, you can make a quality pitch and still give up a homer.

I say go for the big inning, especially since that is the White Sox identity as a team. We are not a small ball, get 'em on, get 'em over, get 'em in kind of team.


And therein lies the difference between the 2005 and 2008 models.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 05:22 PM
Agreed. If it happens, remain calm, grab security, laugh as the guy gets escorted out.
Or else, he can take the cup to the bathroom with him, fill it up, and offer it as a drink to the same guy and leave the premises immediately. "Hey, this beer's on me, man!" :cool:

It's Dankerific
06-20-2008, 05:23 PM
This loss was bad. Ruin my evening bad.

Again, I know there were missed opportunities early, but its most important to get it done when it needs getting done.

I don't think you could pick wrong in PH for Danks or not. Either way had advantages. But, even with Dotel's numbers, the history in close games like this, especially with the wind going OUT, would have made me consider a Linebrink 7th. when the meat of the cubbie order is coming out in the 7th instead of the 8th, you put your best guy for the situation out there.

I'm proud of BA coming in against Wood and getting a clutch XBH after being 0 fer the previous atbats. Wood, while we may hate him, has had himself a good year closing for the cubs.

The day Jim Thome gets a close and late clutch hit for the _WHITESOX_ will be his first. Everyone talks about his #500 being a walkoff. Wow. When the 2007 were so far out of contention it only mattered for draft picks.. Don't know who deserves more blame, Ozzie for not putting in someone to bunt BA over or Thome for losing his mind swinging first pitch/bad location.

If Thome keeps his position on this team, I'm scared for the outcome of this season. (and yes, it'll remain true even if he hits a HR tomorrow in a blowout).

Pods4455
06-20-2008, 05:23 PM
This is the mentality that ruins ballgames for all. Maintain your cool and enjoy your day at the ballgame. It's one game in the scheme of things. Don't let it ruin your day/criminal record, bruh.

haha.. i was just kidding, dont worry- I talk a big game but the most that's going to get me in trouble is my mouth. Luckily BECAUSE of my 2 month old i wont be drinking least I have to stay up with him ALL NIGHT when I get back to peoria tomorrow night... but I just really am nervous about cubs fans ruining the experience for me.. I havent been to cubs/sox since I was 14 years old (ha. a good 7 years) and I havent ever been to wrigley except for with my ex who played for the cubs... and I'm the kind of girl who wants to sit there and drink a pop and take score.. im worried me whole "gaming" experience is going to be ruined by some drunk *******s around me.. that's all that I was saying.

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:23 PM
And therein lies the difference in the 2005 and 2008 models.

True, but you are who you are.

This club must win with pitching, defense and the home run ball. The first part of that equation failed today.

Lip Man 1
06-20-2008, 05:26 PM
JB:

I could understand your philosophy if it was earlier in the game. But in the 9th inning, you get a run, turn the ball over to a closer and hope he does his thing.

When you only need three outs, you get the run that puts the onus squarely on the other team.

Lip

russ99
06-20-2008, 05:26 PM
True, but you are who you are.

This club must win with pitching, defense and the home run ball. The first part of that equation failed today.

Actually a better correlation would be 2004 and 2005, since the Sox were very good in 2004 but were too dependent on the long ball. This year's Sox look a lot more like the 2004 version.

All in all, I thought our pitching was good other than that cookie to Lee. I also don't think one 2-run homer would be considered as the offense holding up their side of the deal.

HangWiffum
06-20-2008, 05:28 PM
again, this team is who we thought they were. home run or nothing. they have a complete lack of situational hitting. how can we have 2 leadoff doubles from the 6th to the 9th and neither runner gets advanced? i personally have to say that pablo should have hit in the 9th and bunted BA over. he's one of the only guys on this team who CAN bunt. then we've got 2 chances to get him in. i do agree with pinch hitting for danks. dotel and linebrink just sucked a big one today. these games are as close to playoff atmosphere as you can get. it really shows who can come thru and who craps their pants. dotel and linebrink showed us that they crap their pants. danks, aj, and jermaine showed us they can come thru.

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:30 PM
JB:

I could understand your philosophy if it was earlier in the game. But in the 9th inning, you get a run, turn the ball over to a closer and hope he does his thing.

When you only need three outs, you get the run that puts the onus squarely on the other team.

Lip

But we can't play that way, Lip. Our team can't bunt or move runners along worth a crap. I'm done fighting that. We here at WSI can scream like harpies about the need for more small ball all we want, but it just isn't going to happen with this personnel.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:30 PM
I have more faith in Pablo bunting Anderson over than a .220 hitter getting a hit.

1) You aren't relying on Thome to just get a hit. If he hits the ball deep enough, BA goes to 3rd on the out. He has 2 likely possible positive results in his AB. With Ozuna, you are relying on him solely to bunt the ball in play. You aren't likely to reach base on a bunt. There is only 1 likely positive result in that AB. Thome has the best chance to advance the runner.

2) Even if Ozuna does advance him, he doesn't score with the ensuing pop out or strike out. Moot point.

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:31 PM
Actually a better correlation would be 2004 and 2005, since the Sox were very good in 2004 but were too dependent on the long ball. This year's Sox look a lot more like the 2004 version.

All in all, I thought our pitching was good other than that cookie to Lee. I also don't think one 2-run homer would be considered as the offense holding up their side of the deal.

No, the offense wasn't particularly good, but we've won some 3-1 games already this year.

We had the lead after six. Dotel and Linebrink have been reliable all year. Not today.

russ99
06-20-2008, 05:32 PM
again, this team is who we thought they were. home run or nothing. they have a complete lack of situational hitting. how can we have 2 leadoff doubles from the 6th to the 9th and neither runner gets advanced? i personally have to say that pablo should have hit in the 9th and bunted BA over. he's one of the only guys on this team who CAN bunt. then we've got 2 chances to get him in. i do agree with pinch hitting for danks. dotel and linebrink just sucked a big one today. these games are as close to playoff atmosphere as you can get. it really shows who can come thru and who craps their pants. dotel and linebrink showed us that they crap their pants. danks, aj, and jermaine showed us they can come thru.

I'd add Mr. Crede to today's pants-fouling crew.

Still one game doesn't make a season. Tomorrow's big, since if these clowns somehow sweep, we'll never hear the end of it, especially since we're out in LA all week and the bozos are at home until round two next weekend.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 05:32 PM
When PK comes back, I want Swisher staying at 1B, BA starting at CF, and PK DHing. Thome definitely needs to take some time off. He's looked "lost" up there for 75% of his at bats!

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 05:33 PM
Not to mention, the wind was blowing out at 20-25 mph. Why the hell would you play for just one run?

easily the dumbest thing i've ever read. why would we play for one run? are you serious!? because one run wins it for you and allows us to bring in our closer. wow...just wow.

Blueprint1
06-20-2008, 05:33 PM
I just got home from the game. I got harassed by every cubs fan I passed on the way home. It was a long trip home today. I stil don't understand why I even go to these games. The bullpen didn't have it today. Really, we had a lot of chances to win this game. I just hope we can win one hopefully two of the next games.

Pods4455
06-20-2008, 05:34 PM
I just got home from the game. I got harassed by every cubs fan I passed on the way home. It was a long trip home today. I stil don't understand why I even go to these games. The bullpen didn't have it today. Really, we had a lot of chances to win this game. I just hope we can win one hopefully two of the next games.

^^^ thats what im worried about tomorrow

alohafri
06-20-2008, 05:35 PM
That and Octavio's overwhelming fear of big game situations. He is simply not clutch. That game was over until he came in.

Last Thursday against Detroit, he gives up a walk off home run to lose, blowing a gem pitched by Buehrle. Saturday against Colorado, he gives up what proves to be the game winning run, blowing a gem pitched by Danks. Today, gives up two home runs to get the Cubs even, blowing a good game pitched by Danks. I have seen enough of this piece of crap.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:35 PM
When PK comes back, I want Swisher staying at 1B, BA starting at CF, and PK DHing. Thome definitely needs to take some time off. He's looked "lost" up there for 75% of his at bats!

You can't just have PK or Thome sitting the bench as a backup DH for nine innings every game. There's just too much money invested in them to have one of them not playing the majority of the time when healthy.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 05:35 PM
I just got home from the game. I got harassed by every cubs fan I passed on the way home. It was a long trip home today. I stil don't understand why I even go to these games. The bullpen didn't have it today. Really, we had a lot of chances to win this game. I just hope we can win one hopefully two of the next games.
I'm sorry you had to deal with that. Until they can actually win a World Series, those mother****ers should just shut the hell up...seriously!

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:35 PM
easily the dumbest thing i've ever read. why would we play for one run? are you serious!? because one run wins it for you and allows us to bring in our closer. wow...just wow.

LOL. You're obviously new here.

2906
06-20-2008, 05:36 PM
But we can't play that way, Lip. Our team can't bunt or move runners along worth a crap. I'm done fighting that. We here at WSI can scream like harpies about the need for more small ball all we want, but it just isn't going to happen with this personnel.

You sum the situation up nicely.

It was interesting to watch Williams in an interview earlier this week, he's as frustrated by this aspect of the team as we are. You don't want to overreact to it but you don't want to ignore the problem either. If there's a good situational hitter out there that can put pressure on the other team's defense and fits into the team, it's a fair bet KW will do his best to get him. They're clearly lacking in terms of execution.

gamblinkenny
06-20-2008, 05:38 PM
LOL. You're obviously new here.

ok, maybe not THE dumbest thing, but definitely on the top shelf of stupid.

Lip Man 1
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Boondock:

Then I guess it depends on the organization's philosophy (and I'm not being facetious) what's more important...winning games or being criticized for having a highly paid player on the bench because they just aren't getting the job done?

That's not saying Konerko or Thome (who I personally think is done) is a bad person, or had a bad career. Neither applies.

What matters is winning games now...today...not hoping for the Thome of 06 or the Konerko of 05 to return.

Now if you have no other options then I understand your point but to me, how much a guy makes should have nothing to do with whether he plays or not. (Yes I understand the reality of things and that this rarely happens) What matters is his production.

2906:

Great point about Kenny. I'm sure he's as frustrated as Sox fans who have basically seen this home run or nothing approach on a regular basis since he took over in 2001 with the notable exception of 2005.

Lip

Medford Bobby
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Last Thursday against Detroit, he gives up a walk off home run to lose, blowing a gem pitched by Buehrle. Saturday against Colorado, he gives up what proves to be the game winning run, blowing a gem pitched by Danks. Today, gives up two home runs to get the Cubs even, blowing a good game pitched by Danks. I have seen enough of this piece of crap.

And Ozzie will keep trotting him out there until he gets it right!!:whiner:

kitekrazy
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
I think the Sox fans who treat this as a rivalry better brace yourself for major disappointment.

The inconsistent hitting has become nauseating. The Cubs pitching staff is one of the best right now. I wouldn't rule out being swept unless one of their starters has a bad outing. That might even happen at the cell.

The Sox just can't match up to a team with equal pitching. Most likely the other team has more consistent hitting. That's one thing the Cubs have. They might be the best team in baseball right now.

chisoxfanatic
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
You can't just have PK or Thome sitting the bench as a backup DH for nine innings every game. There's just too much money invested in them to have one of them not playing the majority of the time when healthy.
The most important thing to me is this team winning baseball games. You have to put yourself in the BEST position to win. Having both Thome and PK on the same lineup does not do that, so you have to go with PK.

RadioheadRocks
06-20-2008, 05:40 PM
Last Thursday against Detroit, he gives up a walk off home run to lose, blowing a gem pitched by Buehrle. Saturday against Colorado, he gives up what proves to be the game winning run, blowing a gem pitched by Danks. Today, gives up two home runs to get the Cubs even, blowing a good game pitched by Danks. I have seen enough of this piece of crap.


Which is exactly why I mentioned in my post on page 10 of this thread that Coop needs to do some serious work with him. It's getting to where we don't know if we're going to get "Good Octavio" or "Bad Octavio" whenever he comes in, and if Coop can identify something and work it out maybe I'll feel better when Dotel comes in to pitch.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:41 PM
But we can't play that way, Lip. Our team can't bunt or move runners along worth a crap. I'm done fighting that. We here at WSI can scream like harpies about the need for more small ball all we want, but it just isn't going to happen with this personnel.


Not only that, but the Cell is a home run friendly park. You can't send out a typical bunting and base-stealing team in this park 82 games a year. Sending out a team that can't hit the ball hard is playing against the strength of your home field.

thomas35forever
06-20-2008, 05:41 PM
The most important thing to me is this team winning baseball games. You have to put yourself in the BEST position to win. Having both Thome and PK on the same lineup does not do that, so you have to go with PK.
If we release Thome, someone else is going to quickly pick him up for power. I have a bad feeling that if that happens, he'll come back to haunt us.

JB98
06-20-2008, 05:42 PM
ok, maybe not THE dumbest thing, but definitely on the top shelf of stupid.

And you've conveniently not bothered to read all my other posts on the matter.

There is no point in playing for one run when you are the 2008 White Sox. I've watched nearly every game this year. This offense is all about big innings and home runs.

They aren't capable of playing for one run. All you're doing is giving away outs. It doesn't matter "how the game is supposed to be played." You play to the strength of your personnel.

We have no speed, nobody who can bunt and our situational hitting is weak. Let's say we bunt BA to third. What the hell makes you think we can get him in, especially with a strikeout pitcher like Wood on the mound?

We've screwed the pooch time and time again in that situation all year. This club is better off swinging away and trying to piece together some hits.

SoxGirl4Life
06-20-2008, 05:43 PM
LOL. You're obviously new here.


Thanks. This made me laugh. I'd hoped people would have calmed down by the time I got home.

Boondock Saint
06-20-2008, 05:45 PM
Boondock:

Then I guess it depends on the organization's philosophy (and I'm not being facetious) what's more important...winning games or being criticized for having a highly paid player on the bench because they just aren't getting the job done?

That's not saying Konerko or Thome (who I personally think is done) is a bad person, or had a bad career. Neither applies.

What matters is winning games now...today...not hoping for the Thome of 06 or the Konerko of 05 to return.

Now if you have no other options then I understand your point but to me, how much a guy makes should have nothing to do with whether he plays or not. (Yes I understand the reality of things and that this rarely happens) What matters is his production.

2906:

Great point about Kenny. I'm sure he's as frustrated as Sox fans who have basically seen this home run or nothing approach on a regular basis since he took over in 2001 with the notable exception of 2005.

Lip

If you're suggesting we shop Thome or PK around, I'm fine with that. But you can't have an everyday player sitting on the bench all the time. We may not like how they're producing, but you can't say that either of them are bench players. Trade them away or play them every day is what I'm saying.

It's Dankerific
06-20-2008, 05:46 PM
We have no speed, nobody who can bunt and our situational hitting is weak. Let's say we bunt BA to third. What the hell makes you think we can get him in, especially with a strikeout pitcher like Wood on the mound?


I've been told on here its really easy and low risk to bunt the man on 3rd home with one out. OC is a MLB player right? I was also told on here that and MLB player should get the job done.

So, which side of the fence are ya on?

2906
06-20-2008, 05:47 PM
Boondock:

Then I guess it depends on the organization's philosophy (and I'm not being facetious) what's more important...winning games or being criticized for having a highly paid player on the bench because they just aren't getting the job done?

That's not saying Konerko or Thome (who I personally think is done) is a bad person, or had a bad career. Neither applies.

What matters is winning games now...today...not hoping for the Thome of 06 or the Konerko of 05 to return.

Now if you have no other options then I understand your point but to me, how much a guy makes should have nothing to do with whether he plays or not. (Yes I understand the reality of things and that this rarely happens) What matters is his production.

2906:

Great point about Kenny. I'm sure he's as frustrated as Sox fans who have basically seen this home run or nothing approach on a regular basis since he took over in 2001 with the notable exception of 2005.

Lip

Mark, it was an interview on Comcast Sports Net, conducted Monday at the golf outing. When the subject of offensive inconsistency/execution issues came up, you could just see KW's blood pressure rising. His answers were clipped and terse ... clearly unhappy, frustrated, etc.

Do you think he'll add to the team before 7/31? I do, and I think it'll be a complementary piece, something added to the offense. A left handed hitter.

Lip Man 1
06-20-2008, 05:48 PM
Boondock:

No one (at least not me) is saying "abandon the home run.." That's nonsense.

However this team needs BALANCE (a la 2005). They won a lot of close games that season including games at U.S. Cellular Field by one run not because of the hone run. They got a guy on base, moved him around and scored him in various ways.

Ozzie himself this off season was directly quoted as saying he was tired of "waiting for the home run" and tired of all "the strikeouts."

That's the manager talking, not me.

They need two guys in this lineup who can steal 20-30 bases a piece, they need two other guys in the lineup who can handle a bat, bunt, advance runners and hit the other way. Figure the top two and bottom two spots in the line up.

3 through 7, Swisher, Dye, A.J. Fields (next year) and say Konerko can swing for the fences all they want.

Lip