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Frater Perdurabo
06-17-2008, 10:26 PM
16 runs! An offensive explosion!

Maybe Paulie should have gone on the DL earlier? :tongue:

HomeFish
06-17-2008, 10:27 PM
This Steve Stone ad for Hyundai is terrible. I've never heard him so stale and un-animated.

Harry Potter
06-17-2008, 10:28 PM
Hopefully this is one of the "good weeks" for this ballclub.

Let's take it to my HS friend Gorzelanny tomorrow

Frater Perdurabo
06-17-2008, 10:28 PM
This Steve Stone ad for Hyundai is terrible. I've never heard him so stale and un-animated.

Really had to reach to find some negativity tonight, eh?

I salute you for sticking with the schtick!

October26
06-17-2008, 10:28 PM
Very nice win. The game was close in the early innings when the Pirates had a 4 -2 lead, but then the good guys went to work. What a fun game. Great to see the Sox offense wake up. Keep it going!:smile:

ChiSox89
06-17-2008, 10:28 PM
Very nice win and the sox maintain thier 4 1/2 game lead over the twins.

JohnnyInnsbrook
06-17-2008, 10:28 PM
Aaarrrrggg ... If only we could play them 13 times at the beginning of the season.

Frater Perdurabo
06-17-2008, 10:29 PM
Hopefully this is one of the "good weeks" for this ballclub.

Let's take it to my HS friend Gorzelanny tomorrow

How about a crisp, two-hour, 2-0 win for the Sox?

rowand33
06-17-2008, 10:30 PM
you know it's a great game when 6 or 7 guys could be the pick to click.

cheezheadsoxfan
06-17-2008, 10:32 PM
We should gain a game on the Indians tonight too.

MarySwiss
06-17-2008, 10:32 PM
you know it's a great game when 6 or 7 guys could be the pick to click.

My thoughts exactly! Be interesting to see who it is. :smile:

anewman35
06-17-2008, 10:33 PM
You mean starting Wise didn't give us an automatic loss? Shocking.

whitesoxfan
06-17-2008, 10:33 PM
you know it's a great game when 6 or 7 guys could be the pick to click.

Really, the whole offense could deserve it. Even Quentin (who didn't have a hit) managed three walks including a huge walk in the first as he managed to battle back from an 0-2 count to get on base. That kind of set the tone for the rest of the night.

OC was awesome. I really hope he's getting hot because having a catalyst like that at the top of the lineup would be huge for us. And Pierzynski had another three hit game as well. That's what you like to see from your 1-2 hitters. Dye continues to hit the ball well, Alexi had a couple of big RBI singles, Wise played well, and Thome hit a 3-run jack. Very, very pleased with what we saw from the offense tonight.

JB98
06-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Somehow, some way, we were able to get it done despite DeWayne Wise's presence in the lineup.

Seriously, it was nice to see the hitters pick up a starting pitcher who struggled. Javy deserves a cheap win, because the offense screwed him repeatedly earlier in the year.

thedudeabides
06-17-2008, 10:37 PM
The Pirates have to hate Chicago this year.:cool:

johnnyg83
06-17-2008, 10:37 PM
Be fun to see Cabrera, Swish and dare I say, #25, get hot.

Frater Perdurabo
06-17-2008, 10:38 PM
Fun stats:

Ramirez is hitting .297; Fukudome .296. In 102 fewer ABs, Ramirez has just five fewer doubles and one less homer. Ramirez is outslugging Fukodome .436 to .426. Fukudome has more walks (45 to 6) but also more strikeouts (42-17).

whitesox4eva
06-17-2008, 10:39 PM
lets not forget about adam russell even though it was a done deal by the 9th he still looked very impressive. amazing job by the sox offense though WOW

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 10:40 PM
Fun stats:

Ramirez is hitting .297; Fukudome .296. In 102 fewer ABs, Ramirez has just five fewer doubles and one less homer. Ramirez is outslugging Fukodome .436 to .426. Fukudome has more walks (45 to 6) but also more strikeouts (42-17).
So what are you trying to say here? That we got the best international player available in the offseason? If that then I agree.:bandance:

Frater Perdurabo
06-17-2008, 10:41 PM
No complaints about the hitting tonight.

But I would like to see this lineup (given that Paulie is out):

Cabrera
Ramirez
AJ
Quentin
Dye
Thome
Crede
Swisher
BA

rustysurf83
06-17-2008, 10:41 PM
This one has to give you a fairly good feeling going into the Cubs' series, seeing as how many of the Cubs victories have come against Pittsburgh. Hopefully we can continue to set the tone going into this weekend, and Tampa can wear out the Cubs.

Rdy2PlayBall
06-17-2008, 10:41 PM
Fun stats:

Ramirez is hitting .297; Fukudome .296. In 102 fewer ABs, Ramirez has just five fewer doubles and one less homer. Ramirez is outslugging Fukodome .436 to .426. Fukudome has more walks (45 to 6) but also more strikeouts (42-17)...... Why the heck arn't we bowing down to Alexei like all the Cubs fans do to Fukudome then!? @_@ Wow, he is doing really well for being a rookie and not playing the whole season. I'm looking forward to seeing this guy when he is more experienced! :tongue:
I can't believe how this team either does this well or really badly. I guess you need to have a game like this to make up for all the broken hearts of the fans after those low scoring games. :tongue:

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 10:41 PM
lets not forget about adam russell even though it was a done deal by the 9th he still looked very impressive. amazing job by the sox offense though WOW
that drop down curveball to end the game was nasty. Another guy who could help this bullpen and make them even stronger. I also loved that he was throwing strikes.

p.s. He is a giant compared to everyone else. Watching the high fives after the win he looked like he was a man amongst the boys.

btrain929
06-17-2008, 10:42 PM
This Steve Stone ad for Hyundai is terrible. I've never heard him so stale and un-animated.

He's looking for a new job since I exactly predicted the 9th inning for Adam Russell.........1-2-3 inning with a K.

:gulp:

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2008, 10:43 PM
Fun stats:

Ramirez is hitting .297; Fukudome .296. In 102 fewer ABs, Ramirez has just five fewer doubles and one less homer. Ramirez is outslugging Fukodome .436 to .426. Fukudome has more walks (45 to 6) but also more strikeouts (42-17).
That disparity in BB is pretty huge though. If Ramirez had an eye like Fukudome he'd be a star.

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 10:43 PM
No complaints about the hitting tonight.

But I would like to see this lineup (given that Paulie is out):

Cabrera
Ramirez
AJ
Quentin
Dye
Thome
Crede
Swisher
BA
If it ain't broke then don't fix it and for now you leave AJ in 2 hole and Alexei lower down to give balance throughout the order

JB98
06-17-2008, 10:44 PM
So what are you trying to say here? That we got the best international player available in the offseason? If that then I agree.:bandance:

I would also agree. Ramirez needs more publicity. Maybe we should make some offensive T-Shirts.

Frater Perdurabo
06-17-2008, 10:44 PM
That disparity in BB is pretty huge though. If Ramirez had an eye like Fukudome he'd be a star.

Don't you also have to think that Ramirez is playing excellent defense - perhaps even worthy of a Gold Glove? (Not that he'd get it, of course.)

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 10:45 PM
That disparity in BB is pretty huge though. If Ramirez had an eye like Fukudome he'd be a star.
They have 2 completely different approaches...Alexei is aggressive while Fukudome is patient and works the count. As of right now Alexei is doing great with his aggressiveness so leave it.

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2008, 10:45 PM
Don't you also have to think that Ramirez is playing excellent defense - perhaps even worthy of a Gold Glove? (Not that he'd get it, of course.)
Of course. Both of them have played great defense. I just wish he wasn't so aggressive.

Craig Grebeck
06-17-2008, 10:46 PM
They have 2 completely different approaches...Alexei is aggressive while Fukudome is patient and works the count. As of right now Alexei is doing great with his aggressiveness so leave it.
Yes, he's been great, but getting him to lay off pitches out of the zone would no doubt be positive.

HebrewHammer
06-17-2008, 10:46 PM
Great thread title. I almost sprayed coffee all over my screen. I vote to keep with the nautical theme for this series. Nice work.

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 10:47 PM
Yes, he's been great, but getting him to lay off pitches out of the zone would no doubt be positive.
Yes it would be nice but he is young and still adjusting. With more experience he will get better and better and will turn into a solid player. in the mean time....

October26
06-17-2008, 10:52 PM
This one has to give you a fairly good feeling going into the Cubs' series, seeing as how many of the Cubs victories have come against Pittsburgh. Hopefully we can continue to set the tone going into this weekend, and Tampa can wear out the Cubs.

:welcome:This was a nice win and I'd like to see the Sox play well against the Pirates the next couple of games and not look too far ahead to the Cubs series. I was excited about the Sox win in game 1 against the Rockies last Friday and then the Sox lost two games over the weekend. The Pirates pitching is suspect at best, but the Pirates are a pesky team who can hit. I know that the Sox pitching is very good and I would like to see the Sox offense be more consistent. I'll take 16 runs a game, that's for sure. :cool:

KRS1
06-17-2008, 10:53 PM
that drop down curveball to end the game was nasty.

I had some big doubts about that pitch when I saw it at ST. He was throwing it more like a slow rolling 11-5 curve, but now that it has more of a slurvy action on it, I love it. Don't see many good slow slurves anymore.

Sockinchisox
06-17-2008, 10:53 PM
I was there tonight and I'm going tomorrow, I have a 4 game win streak going. :D:

Anyway, great win, contributions all around. I had some real winners sitting behind me tonight though.

voodoochile
06-17-2008, 10:54 PM
Wow, great win. Loved seeing them put the hammer down in the 7th to put the game away. Maybe it's not happening as fast as some would like it, but this team is definitely waking up offensively.

Looks like we woke up Colorado too. They are waxing Toon butt late.

:winner

:supernana:

:)

johnnyg83
06-17-2008, 10:55 PM
swish at .286/.352./.592 for June
alexei at .413/.460/.609

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 10:56 PM
swish at .286/.352./.592 for June
alexei at .413/.460/.609
Both are heating it up, expecially Swish and he is key for this team

October26
06-17-2008, 10:57 PM
swish at .286/.352./.592 for June
alexei at .413/.460/.609

Wow - keep it going, guys!

johnnyg83
06-17-2008, 11:00 PM
And I think those Swish and ALexei numbers were before tonight. Swish got on 5 times. Alexei two.

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 11:01 PM
And I think those Swish and ALexei numbers were before tonight. Swish got on 5 times. Alexei two.
Swish is getting hot and that is absolutely huge:bandance:

BadBobbyJenks
06-17-2008, 11:01 PM
When these guys are hot they sure are fun to watch.

gogosox16
06-17-2008, 11:04 PM
When these guys are hot they sure are fun to watch.
when their hot it's like their hitting a beach ball and when their cold it's like their trying to hit a pea.

PeteWard
06-17-2008, 11:17 PM
Righted the ship and picked up a game on Cle:D:, but Giants are giving the game away in the 8th, 3-1 Det., on a bonehead play by their pitcher.:mad:

TomBradley72
06-17-2008, 11:20 PM
Yes it would be nice but he is young and still adjusting. With more experience he will get better and better and will turn into a solid player. in the mean time....

Stats for the whole season can be misleading especially due to Alexei's lack of playing time/cold start early in the season.

Last 30 days:

Fukudome: .264 BA/.381 OBP/.402 SLG
Ramirez: .356 BA, .380 OBP, .529 SLG

voodoochile
06-17-2008, 11:21 PM
swish at .286/.352./.592 for June
alexei at .413/.460/.609

Yeah and don't look now, but there's some guy named Jim Thome who is at .256/.362/.564 in June too...

gobears1987
06-17-2008, 11:24 PM
Aaarrrrggg ... If only we could play them 13 times at the beginning of the season.Seriously, at least we get the Royals for 15 more.

PeteWard
06-17-2008, 11:29 PM
Seriously, at least we get the Royals for 15 more.

That and Thome heating up make me optimistic.

DumpJerry
06-17-2008, 11:42 PM
Just got back from the game.

Fire Walker. Right now. Too many hits were not made. Then there was the matter of 24, yes 24, outs made by the offense tonight.

Jerome
06-17-2008, 11:46 PM
awesome :)


let's hope we can keep this going tomorrow and don't score a combined 4 runs the rest of the series. I want to believe in this offense but I can't just yet.

Nellie_Fox
06-18-2008, 12:09 AM
Just got back from the game.

Fire Walker. Right now. Too many hits were not made. Then there was the matter of 24, yes 24, outs made by the offense tonight.And the only thing that saved them from embarrassing themselves with 27 outs is the fact that they didn't have to bat in the ninth.:angry: If this game had been on the road, they certainly would have!

Zisk77
06-18-2008, 12:28 AM
Since I live outside of Chicago, I had to watch the game with the Pirates announcers broadcasting it. They were both very impressed on how great the cell looked. Put it in their top ten ballparks.

thomas35forever
06-18-2008, 12:28 AM
Back from the game. Believe me, after the Pirates' big inning, a blowout win was the last thing on my mind. To see Javy only give up one run the rest of the way was impressive, and there's not enough to say about the offense. They said on SportsNite that tonight, they scored more runs than they did in the last six games combined. Glad to bring home a White Sox winner!

doublem23
06-18-2008, 12:36 AM
This Steve Stone ad for Hyundai is terrible. I've never heard him so stale and un-animated.

I'm pretty sure Steve detests reading those things, so he sounds pretty bad on all of them.

Of everyone here, I pinned you as the last guy who wouldn't recognize schtick. :o:

doublem23
06-18-2008, 12:38 AM
Just got back from the game.

Fire Walker. Right now. Too many hits were not made. Then there was the matter of 24, yes 24, outs made by the offense tonight.

I would just like to know how his game doesn't fit into their pattern of extreme streaky offense. :dunno:

Anyways, it of course had to be a game on WCIU. ****! :angry:

chisoxfanatic
06-18-2008, 02:28 AM
You mean starting Wise didn't give us an automatic loss? Shocking.

Instead, it was a Wise decision! :wink::wink::wink:

I don't remember, since there have been so many games I've been to since then; but, that has to be the biggest offensive splurge I've personally seen since that 20-6 massacre of the Cardinals 2 years ago. I love it when they break out the bats. Cripes! Let's just hope they can continue the offensive onslaught like they did against the Twinkies a week and a half ago.

harwar
06-18-2008, 04:41 AM
I'm pretty sure Steve detests reading those things, so he sounds pretty bad on all of them

He was at first,irritated,because he had so many promos to go through during the game,but now he tries to have some fun with them.
His "a baseball game broke out in the middle of the promos" comment was tinged with a little frustration.
It is just amazing how better the radio side is this year with that guy next to farmer.

harwar
06-18-2008, 04:48 AM
Since I live outside of Chicago, I had to watch the game with the Pirates announcers broadcasting it. They were both very impressed on how great the cell looked. Put it in their top ten ballparks.

Yea,same here.I was surprised at how they were heaping praise on our park because,even thought its one of the most beautiful,it just doesn't happen enough.
Those pirates guys were getting a little too cocky after the second inning.
The starting pitcher for wed. game is a huge White Sox fan who grew up watching BIG Frank kill the ball and it is going to be a little uncomfortable watching him get lit up.

cws05champ
06-18-2008, 07:26 AM
Yea,same here.I was surprised at how they were heaping praise on our park because,even thought its one of the most beautiful,it just doesn't happen enough.
Those pirates guys were getting a little too cocky after the second inning.
The starting pitcher for wed. game is a huge White Sox fan who grew up watching BIG Frank kill the ball and it is going to be a little uncomfortable watching him get lit up.
Great game last night...why is there only 4 pages after a win like this, but we suffer a loss and we get 2-3 tomatoes?

I watched the game with the Pirates announcers, and you know what...they were really good. I enjoyed listening to them. and it was nice to hear the praise they gave to US Cell. They said they have been outscored in Chicago this year something like 68 to 15 :o:. One other funny thing I noticed is whenever they would heap praise on the Pirates the Sox would hit a HR. When OC hit his HR, the pitch before was up and in, and the annoucers said it good to do that to keep a guy off balance....smack....unless they come back and do that!
On Thome's HR, they were commenting how they would only be 4 1/2 games back in the AL central and the Pirates are an improved team...smack... 15-5 Whitesox. :D:

BigPapaPump
06-18-2008, 07:41 AM
Instead, it was a Wise decision! :wink::wink::wink:



http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/04/austin-powers.jpg

Perhaps you could say he is Wise beyond his years. Hmmmm......:tongue:

Railsplitter
06-18-2008, 08:08 AM
:bandance:Aye, matey, 'tis a shame we can't bank the runs for a time we need some.

Soxman219
06-18-2008, 08:13 AM
:bandance:Aye, matey, 'tis a shame we can't bank the runs for a time we need some.

Yeah, I'm all for a 16-5 win, but if they just like saved some of those runs for tomorrow, I'd be more happy.

MsSoxVixen22
06-18-2008, 08:23 AM
Shiver me timbers that was a good win! I hope they saved some runs for the rest of the week though!

palehozenychicty
06-18-2008, 08:30 AM
With the way Snell was walking people, I knew we'd have a real shot. We came through in bundles, and hopefully Swish is turning it around. We're going to need him the next few weeks. Good to see Thome hit a jack after he left the bases loaded earlier on. Let's keep it rolling. :cool:

jabrch
06-18-2008, 09:11 AM
http://snarkerati.com/movie-news/files/2008/04/austin-powers.jpg

Perhaps you could say he is Wise beyond his years. Hmmmm......:tongue:


You could say the Sox Wised up yesterday.

jabrch
06-18-2008, 09:11 AM
Yeah, I'm all for a 16-5 win, but if they just like saved some of those runs for tomorrow, I'd be more happy.

*shakes head in disbelief*

balke
06-18-2008, 09:13 AM
Runs aren't necessarily something you can put in a the fridge and use tomorrow. I liked the beat down on the Pirates. How about 2 more games like that?

doublem23
06-18-2008, 09:28 AM
*shakes head in disbelief*

Do you have any reason to believe this isn't part of their normal offensive explosion/bats go completely dead streak they've been on recently?

It's nice to get a win and pound the snot out of the National League, but the Sox have averaged over 6 runs per game their last 3 and they're 1-2 in that stretch.

Craig Grebeck
06-18-2008, 09:34 AM
Do you have any reason to believe this isn't part of their normal offensive explosion/bats go completely dead streak they've been on recently?

It's nice to get a win and pound the snot out of the National League, but the Sox have averaged over 6 runs per game their last 3 and they're 1-2 in that stretch.
I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with scoring 16 runs, no matter how anyone spins it.

jabrch
06-18-2008, 09:36 AM
Do you have any reason to believe this isn't part of their normal offensive explosion/bats go completely dead streak they've been on recently?

No - but I don't think that matters. Scoring 16 runs today does not mean that they have exhausted their supply of runs until the run fairy comes and delivers more. They aren't limited to an average of 4 runs per game, 5 runs per game, or 6 runs per game. What happened today is irrelevant tomorrow in terms of how many we can score. And we can't "save" runs.


It's nice to get a win and pound the snot out of the National League, but the Sox have averaged over 6 runs per game their last 3 and they're 1-2 in that stretch.

Even the least statistical saavy person out there would tell you that both your sample size (3 games) and your data set (1 input and 1 result) is insufficient to draw any conclusions.

We kicked their ass. Isn't that enough? The poster I responded to said that he would have liked to save some runs. I feel my disbelief is warranted.

doublem23
06-18-2008, 09:36 AM
I'm pretty sure there's nothing wrong with scoring 16 runs, no matter how anyone spins it.

I'm fine with them scoring 16 runs yesterday... If they want to keep that kind of a tear up all year, that's fine with me... I'd like them, however, to find some sort of long-term consistency.

Craig Grebeck
06-18-2008, 09:38 AM
I'm fine with them scoring 16 runs yesterday... If they want to keep that kind of a tear up all year, that's fine with me... I'd like them, however, to find some sort of long-term consistency.
And I will say yet again, scoring 16 runs is always good. I don't care what anyone says. Jabrch has it right, yesterday has no effect on today.

doublem23
06-18-2008, 09:39 AM
Even the least statistical saavy person out there would tell you that both your sample size (3 games) and your data set (1 input and 1 result) is insufficient to draw any conclusions.


Obviously that was just a quick example to prove my point. Anyways, the Sox are already playing 4 games behind their Pythagorean W/L record, and I think most people here know they could even be better than that projected 43-27 if they could just find some kind of consistent offense.

TomBradley72
06-18-2008, 09:50 AM
Obviously that was just a quick example to prove my point. Anyways, the Sox are already playing 4 games behind their Pythagorean W/L record, and I think most people here know they could even be better than that projected 43-27 if they could just find some kind of consistent offense.

True enough...but a blow out can help everyone relax a little bit. Between Konerko, Crede, Quentin, Thome and Swisher....I think these guys have been pressing a ton and that's having an impact on their consistency. Quentin's walks were a good sign....hopefully the hits will follow.

balke
06-18-2008, 09:51 AM
Do you have any reason to believe this isn't part of their normal offensive explosion/bats go completely dead streak they've been on recently?

It's nice to get a win and pound the snot out of the National League, but the Sox have averaged over 6 runs per game their last 3 and they're 1-2 in that stretch.

Give a team that can do what the Sox did yesterday some pitching all year, and they'll be in the playoffs. Hot and cold offense is frustrating, but its better than a cold and warm one.

I expect inconsistency, but at this point I think the Sox are still good enough to make the playoffs like that.

I also still believe Swish, Konerko, Dye, Thome and the gang all get back close to where they should be offensively by the end of the season.

jabrch
06-18-2008, 10:08 AM
Obviously that was just a quick example to prove my point. Anyways, the Sox are already playing 4 games behind their Pythagorean W/L record, and I think most people here know they could even be better than that projected 43-27 if they could just find some kind of consistent offense.


So we won't win the Pythagorean World Series? Who ****ing cares? We have played very good baseball all but about 1 month of the season. Even in that month we pitched well - just hit marginally poorly.

Tragg
06-18-2008, 10:24 AM
Phythagorean wins are nothing but margin of victory; the use of that statistic is a disgrace to the branch of baseball analysts who presume to base their opinions on statistical analysis. Yet, the SABR and BP writers use it constantly. It's ridiculous.

jabrch
06-18-2008, 10:50 AM
Give a team that can do what the Sox did yesterday some pitching all year, and they'll be in the playoffs. Hot and cold offense is frustrating, but its better than a cold and warm one.

I still look at it differently...

Give a team that pitches like the Sox have all season about 4.80 runs per game and they will be in contention all year. That's all you can ask because once you get to the playoffs, you are talking about a very small sample size of games with teams that are all good enough to win - where anything is possible.

We have the best pitching in the AL. If that continues, we will win a lot of games even with all the flaws people can find in our offense (which is tied for fourth in overall runs scored). Sit back - relax - and enjoy a damn good baseball team.

Frater Perdurabo
06-18-2008, 10:52 AM
Obviously that was just a quick example to prove my point. Anyways, the Sox are already playing 4 games behind their Pythagorean W/L record, and I think most people here know they could even be better than that projected 43-27 if they could just find some kind of consistent offense.

I too want some more consistency, but I want it to be GOOD consistency, not consistently scoring two or fewer runs! :D:

russ99
06-18-2008, 11:18 AM
No complaints about the hitting tonight.

But I would like to see this lineup (given that Paulie is out):

Cabrera
Ramirez
AJ
Quentin
Dye
Thome
Crede
Swisher
BA

Jermaine is really swinging the bat well. I'd keep him at the 4 spot.

spiffie
06-18-2008, 11:47 AM
I still look at it differently...

Give a team that pitches like the Sox have all season about 4.80 runs per game and they will be in contention all year. That's all you can ask because once you get to the playoffs, you are talking about a very small sample size of games with teams that are all good enough to win - where anything is possible.

We have the best pitching in the AL. If that continues, we will win a lot of games even with all the flaws people can find in our offense (which is tied for fourth in overall runs scored). Sit back - relax - and enjoy a damn good baseball team.
Wow, for a guy who hates stats, you sure love to quote that "fourth in overall runs scored" stats to counterbalance actual observations about games that people are watching.

whitesox901
06-18-2008, 12:05 PM
Great outburst by the offense! Go get gem agian tommarow!

Frater Perdurabo
06-18-2008, 12:19 PM
Jermaine is really swinging the bat well. I'd keep him at the 4 spot.

I could deal with swapping Dye and Quentin in the 4/5 spots.

Tragg
06-18-2008, 12:30 PM
Jermaine's a good 3 hole hitter too.

doublem23
06-18-2008, 12:51 PM
Wow, for a guy who hates stats, you sure love to quote that "fourth in overall runs scored" stats to counterbalance actual observations about games that people are watching.

That one stat is OK because it reinforces his rosy, "absolutely nothing is wrong with the Sox" viewpoint.

Martinigirl
06-18-2008, 03:37 PM
I have a question for anyone who was at the game last night - why were there kids standing on the field at the beginning of the game, greeting the players at their positions?

jabrch
06-18-2008, 03:50 PM
That one stat is OK because it reinforces his rosy, "absolutely nothing is wrong with the Sox" viewpoint.

If you can find somewhere where I said that - please show me. Otherwise, quoting me, as if I said that, or as if that is my viewpoint, is not accurate.

Thanks, in advance


I have never said this team is perfect and thast nothing is wrong. I believe you know that full well. That statement is a far cry from what I have said - a far cry from what is true. So if you would like to put it in context and have a legitimate discussion - that's cool.

It's Dankerific
06-18-2008, 04:07 PM
If you can find somewhere where I said that - please show me. Otherwise, quoting me, as if I said that, or as if that is my viewpoint, is not accurate.

Thanks, in advance


I have never said this team is perfect and thast nothing is wrong. I believe you know that full well. That statement is a far cry from what I have said - a far cry from what is true. So if you would like to put it in context and have a legitimate discussion - that's cool.


yeah, we have a "damn good baseball team" that likes to go through whole weeks without winning more than a single game. Awesome. At least while I'm rational and worry about this season being more than fun in the sun during the regular season, someone will tell me "we're fourth in run scored" and forget to tell me how many games we've lost when the pitchers have kept the score under 3 for the other team. In fact, I'll really appreciate the number of times the positives are brought up without a balancing aspect, cause _I_ want to watch baseball no matter what happens with my favorite team! It'll be especially cool when they have to win 11 games out of 19. Its kinda sad that you're demanding people to exactly quote you constantly (and by constantly i don't mean every single post, i mean enough more than once to make it repetitive). I hope i didn't miss a "'" somewhere.

Lip Man 1
06-18-2008, 04:08 PM
Well Ozzie himself was quoted in the newspaper stories today as saying (paraphrasing) '16 runs, great! Now do it for more then one night.'

Lip

voodoochile
06-18-2008, 04:12 PM
yeah, we have a "damn good baseball team" that likes to go through whole weeks without winning more than a single game. Awesome. At least while I'm rational and worry about this season being more than fun in the sun during the regular season, someone will tell me "we're fourth in run scored" and forget to tell me how many games we've lost when the pitchers have kept the score under 3 for the other team. In fact, I'll really appreciate the number of times the positives are brought up without a balancing aspect, cause _I_ want to watch baseball no matter what happens with my favorite team! It'll be especially cool when they have to win 11 games out of 19. Its kinda sad that you're demanding people to exactly quote you constantly (and by constantly i don't mean every single post, i mean enough more than once to make it repetitive). I hope i didn't miss a "'" somewhere.

Says the man with the ridiculous BA stats in his sig...

doublem23
06-18-2008, 04:13 PM
Well Ozzie himself was quoted in the newspaper stories today as saying (paraphrasing) '16 runs, great! Now do it for more then one night.'

Lip

Ozzie obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.

It's Dankerific
06-18-2008, 04:23 PM
Says the man with the ridiculous BA stats in his sig...

Yes, and if someone said I loved Brian Anderson, I wouldnt spend my next 3 paragraphs describing how I've never said "I Love Brian Anderson" and that please find a post where I said exactly that.

jabrch
06-18-2008, 04:33 PM
Well Ozzie himself was quoted in the newspaper stories today as saying (paraphrasing) '16 runs, great! Now do it for more then one night.'

Lip

Ozzie obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.


Or maybe Ozzie knows exactly what he is talking about?

Ozzie plays the media like a 2 bit whore. You can't really say you take him seriously - do you?

There's nobody who wouldn't like 16 runs every night. Heck - there's nobdoy would wouldn't want 4.8 runs every single night - with a standard deviation of 0 instead of an average of 4.8 runs with some variation night to night. It just isn't realistic. I'd take our offense over half of the offenses in the AL, wouldn't you? The rangers have the best offense in baseball - but still have 3 or fewer runs in 22 games. Oh, and a team ERA of 5.05, a WHIP of 1.59 and a opp avg of .285.

Riddle me this DoubleM...List the AL offenses you would rather have than the Sox. Now tell me how many of them you think are better teams than we are? Boston....and...? You'd find the consistency you want lacking in teams with huge payrolls invested in offense like LAA and Detroit. You could argue the Yanks - but easily argue against them - and that's not taking into account payroll. You want the Twins? 31 times with 3 runs or less.

Things are pretty damn good on the south side right now. A bad game, week or even month should be looked at in context of the bigger picture, not as another opportunity to prove this team is bad. It's anyone's choice to look at it however you want - and my choice to disagree, to laugh at them or to ignore them - right?

fquaye149
06-18-2008, 07:31 PM
There's nobody who wouldn't like 16 runs every night. Heck - there's nobdoy would wouldn't want 4.8 runs every single night - with a standard deviation of 0 instead of an average of 4.8 runs with some variation night to night. It just isn't realistic. I'd take our offense over half of the offenses in the AL, wouldn't you? The rangers have the best offense in baseball - but still have 3 or fewer runs in 22 games. Oh, and a team ERA of 5.05, a WHIP of 1.59 and a opp avg of .285.

Stats like "total run scored" and "3 or fewer runs in x games" aren't very useful right now.

Right now stats like THE ****ING WHITE SOX HAVE LOST 11 ****ING TIMES WHEN A PITCHER HAS THROWN A QUALITY START are more important.

You know. Stats like that....Because the name of the game is winning games.

And despite ridiculous skews like how a single 16-run game can knock you up two or three pegs in the "run scored" tally because it's ****ING JUNE, the White Sox are giving away a ****load of winnable games and wasting tons and tons of quality starts


Riddle me this DoubleM...List the AL offenses you would rather have than the Sox. Now tell me how many of them you think are better teams than we are? Boston....and...? You'd find the consistency you want lacking in teams with huge payrolls invested in offense like LAA and Detroit. You could argue the Yanks - but easily argue against them - and that's not taking into account payroll. You want the Twins? 31 times with 3 runs or less.

How about any of the AL offenses that have not turned 11 quality starts into losses through a lack of hitting.

Which would probably be substantially more than half.


Things are pretty damn good on the south side right now. A bad game, week or even month should be looked at in context of the bigger picture, not as another opportunity to prove this team is bad. It's anyone's choice to look at it however you want - and my choice to disagree, to laugh at them or to ignore them - right?

Things are pretty damn good in terms of being in first place in the 2nd weakest division in baseball. Sure. Things are pretty good in terms of getting ungodly pitching performances out of our ever-courageous pitching staff.

However, if you want to play dumb, this team looks a ****load more like the 2003 White Sox than any other team I've seen in recent memory.