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soxwon
06-09-2008, 07:54 PM
in comparison 05 n 08
2005
42-21 record
5 games ahead
292 runs scored
238 runs against

2008
37-26 record
6-1/2 games ahead
305 runs scored
235 runs aginst

EERIE isnt it?

FedEx227
06-09-2008, 07:58 PM
in comparison 05 n 08
2005
42-21 record
5 games ahead
292 runs scored
238 runs against

2008
37-26 record
6-1/2 games ahead
305 runs scored
235 runs aginst

EERIE isnt it?

2008 ERA: 3.29
2005 ERA: 3.61

Very impressive.

voodoochile
06-09-2008, 08:04 PM
My lucky numbers: 5 & 8

:D:

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 08:13 PM
2008 ERA: 3.29
2005 ERA: 3.61

Very impressive.


NICE!!! Very, VERY nice. I mean, 2005 was all about that outstanding pitching. Well, up untll now, we, the 2008 White Sox, have a better staff, and we have scored MORE runs!!! YEEESSS!!! I am sooo pumped. Man, O cannot wait for another game. I can't wait to dream tonight!!!

whitem0nkey
06-09-2008, 08:13 PM
Loaiza signed on Wednesday.

chisox77
06-09-2008, 08:15 PM
I love the enthusiasm in here, but calm down enough to enjoy each game. There is a lot of season left. But it is shaping up nicely for the White Sox.


:cool:

Chicken Dinner
06-09-2008, 08:21 PM
I guess it is the year after the Bo Sox won it.

Noneck
06-09-2008, 08:31 PM
Injuries and overcoming them is always a huge factor. So far the Sox have been fortunate but the probability is great that some big injury will happen this year as it did in 05.

turners56
06-09-2008, 08:35 PM
in comparison 05 n 08
2005
42-21 record
5 games ahead
292 runs scored
238 runs against

2008
37-26 record
6-1/2 games ahead
305 runs scored
235 runs aginst

EERIE isnt it?

The fact we have better offensive and pitching numbers in 08 tells two stories: inconsistency and bad luck. We've had our share of both, especially the inconsistency part.

Frontman
06-09-2008, 08:43 PM
We got a WHOLE lot of work to do, Fiesty.
:hawk



That we do, partner. I'm not ready to say we're going to be busy in October, but in the meantime? I'm certainly enjoying the games.
:DJ

That's right. We should sit back, relax, and strap it down.
:hawk

Can you explain to me what "it" is?
:DJ

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2008, 08:44 PM
Frontman, did KingXeres get a hold of your computer? Nice mini-Xeres there!

Is it just me, or does the entire league look more evenly-distributed here?

turners56
06-09-2008, 08:45 PM
We got a WHOLE lot of work to do, Fiesty.
:hawk



That we do, partner. I'm not ready to say we're going to be busy in October, but in the meantime? I'm certainly enjoying the games.
:DJ

That's right. We should sit back, relax, and strap it down.
:hawk

Can you explain to me what "it" is?
:DJ


Good question DJ, I want to know too. :redneck

Frontman
06-09-2008, 08:48 PM
Good question DJ, I want to know too. :redneck

:hawk
"Kids these days have zero, and I mean ZERO, clue."

HomeFish
06-09-2008, 09:03 PM
Why aren't you comparing it to 2006? We were doing pretty well at this time of year then too...

whitem0nkey
06-09-2008, 09:06 PM
Why aren't you comparing it to 2006? We were doing pretty well at this time of year then too...

because that will be in the "06 and 09" thread :D:

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2008, 09:06 PM
Why aren't you comparing it to 2006? We were doing pretty well at this time of year then too...

Do you WANT the same result to happen? :angry:

Frontman
06-09-2008, 09:07 PM
because that will be in the "06 and 09" thread :D:

That's not funny at all. Just not funny at all.

:hawk

HomeFish
06-09-2008, 09:07 PM
Do you WANT the same result to happen? :angry:

No. Why the hell would I want that?

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2008, 09:08 PM
No. Why the hell would I want that?

Your dark cloudish self wanted to compare this season to '06 instead of '05.

HomeFish
06-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Your dark cloudish self wanted to compare this season to '06 instead of '05.

Because I think its silly for people to automatically assume it will be like 05 rather than like 06. I'm a loyal White Sox fan, but I don't believe that being a fan requires putting your head in the sand and assuming that everything is always going to be OK.

BRDSR
06-09-2008, 09:11 PM
No. Why the hell would I want that?

LOL, HomeFish. I respect you. Sometimes I see a little bit of myself in each of your posts.

But while the Sox were sweeping the Twins this weekend, I couldn't help but think of a post you made Thursday night in which you envisioned a doomsday scenario of the Sox getting swept and being 2.5 games behind the Twins. Only, if the Sox had gotten swept, they would have only been 1.5 games behind the Twins. And then the Sox swept the Twins and are 6.5 games up.

I sincerely believe that you are happy when the Sox succeed. But you can see how people would think the opposite, right?

DumpJerry
06-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Do you WANT the same result to happen? :angry:
Absolutely! This year 90 wins in the AL Central wins gets you a ticket to the playoffs.

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2008, 09:18 PM
Absolutely! This year 90 wins in the AL Central wins gets you a ticket to the playoffs.

I don't just want 90 wins...I want HFA throughout!

Brian26
06-09-2008, 09:36 PM
Because I think its silly for people to automatically assume it will be like 05 rather than like 06. I'm a loyal White Sox fan, but I don't believe that being a fan requires putting your head in the sand and assuming that everything is always going to be OK.

The Sox never came close to leading their division by 6.5 games in 2006.

DSpivack
06-09-2008, 09:37 PM
I guess it is the year after the Bo Sox won it.

Bo Sox? I wish the Bo Sox won, but unfortunately the Blue Jays beat us in the ALCS.

Oh, you mean the Boston American League Base Ball Club.

DumpJerry
06-09-2008, 09:42 PM
The Sox never came close to leading their division by 6.5 games in 2006.
In fact, the biggest lead we had in 2006 was 3.5 games on May 9. The biggest deficit was 10 games out of First on August 7.

HomeFish
06-09-2008, 09:45 PM
The Sox never came close to leading their division by 6.5 games in 2006.

Sox had a 10.0 game lead for the Wildcard over New York in 2006.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 09:47 PM
Can somebody tell me what the White Sox record was on THIS day in 2004 and 2006? Thanks! I do not know how to find in mlb.com or google/yahoo.

HomeFish
06-09-2008, 09:47 PM
Can somebody tell me what the White Sox record was on THIS day in 2004 and 2006? Thanks! I do not know how to find in mlb.com or google/yahoo.

Baseball-reference.com

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 09:49 PM
Baseball-reference.com


Thanks! I'm gonna go check it right now!

Gavin
06-09-2008, 09:50 PM
I think about this sometimes, and then I think about the ease that was the 2005 postseason. It ain't going to repeat itself.

voodoochile
06-09-2008, 09:51 PM
Because I think its silly for people to automatically assume it will be like 05 rather than like 06. I'm a loyal White Sox fan, but I don't believe that being a fan requires putting your head in the sand and assuming that everything is always going to be OK.

What were the records of our ALC opponents in 06? Were the Sox 6.5 games in front of the second place team? Were those opponents looking like flukes or like serious contenders? What was our record against said opponents at this time of the year? What was the team ERA?

The reasons people are comparing this year to 2005 has more to do with our current situation in terms of division placement as it does anything else. I would think that would be pretty obvious...

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 09:51 PM
I can't find it. What do I search there?

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 09:53 PM
I think about this sometimes, and then I think about the ease that was the 2005 postseason. It ain't going to repeat itself.


I have that fear, too. However, if we played like we did Fri/Sat..WOW!!! Sweep, sweep, sweep!!!

Brian26
06-09-2008, 09:54 PM
The Sox never came close to leading their division by 6.5 games in 2006.

Sox had a 10.0 game lead for the Wildcard over New York in 2006.

The Sox led the Wild Card over the Baltimore Orioles by 1.0 game on Sept 1, 1996, but that doesn't have anything to do with my post either, does it?

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 09:56 PM
The Sox led the Wild Card over the Baltimore Orioles by 1.0 game on Sept 1, 1996, but that doesn't have anything to do with my post either, does it?

True. You did "Division" NOT wild-card. However, that is pretty upsetting what happened.

chisoxfanatic
06-09-2008, 10:00 PM
What were the records of our ALC opponents in 06? Were the Sox 6.5 games in front of the second place team? Were those opponents looking like flukes or like serious contenders? What was our record against said opponents at this time of the year? What was the team ERA?

The reasons people are comparing this year to 2005 has more to do with our current situation in terms of division placement as it does anything else. I would think that would be pretty obvious...

The Sox record on June 9th, 2005 was 40-19, up 4.5 games on second place Minnesota, who was 35-23.

Eddo144
06-09-2008, 10:02 PM
I can't find it. What do I search there?
From the home page, select "Teams" along the lefthand side, then the White Sox, then the year you want (2005).

Once you're on the year page, there's a "Schedule" link that will take to you a page that has game-by-game results.

Hope this helps. :smile:

(EDIT: Here's the page you're looking for if you don't want to have to navigate there: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005_sched.shtml.)

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:04 PM
From the home page, select "Teams" along the lefthand side, then the White Sox, then the year you want (2005).

Once you're on the year page, there's a "Schedule" link that will take to you a page that has game-by-game results.

Hope this helps. :smile:

(EDIT: Here's the page you're looking for if you don't want to have to navigate there: http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CHW/2005_sched.shtml.)


Thanks man! I was actually looking for 2004 & 2006, but I got the idea. Once again, thanks so much!! :smile:

Frontman
06-09-2008, 10:08 PM
I think about this sometimes, and then I think about the ease that was the 2005 postseason. It ain't going to repeat itself.

But you know what? That's the best thing about sports. Every game, every win, every loss; every at bat. It's different. We could be watching history. 2005 was a historic run. But if the Sox win another title with a 7 game series, with bullpens taxed, bench players playing, it would still be historic and great and wonderful to be along for the ride.

That's one reason I get bugged when folks throw home run balls back. What if say Alexei Ramierez plays another 12-14 years and goes and hits 600 plus home runs; has numerous All star appearances and at least 5 gold gloves. Think that nimrod who threw his first home run ball back would want it then? It would be a part of history.

Every time a ball is kicked to Devin Hester, we could see a magical moment. Every pitch thrown to Thome could be one he blasts out of the park that edges him that much closer to the Hall of Fame. Not too many of us thought back in the late 80's that Michael Jordan, the THIRD pick in the draft could become arguably the greatest player who ever put on a NBA jersey.

Sports is in its very nature, something to enjoy. And in any game something incredible could take place.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:09 PM
Today, in 2006, we were 37-23, 0.5 game behind.

Elephant
06-09-2008, 10:10 PM
2008 ERA: 3.29
2005 ERA: 3.61

Very impressive.

Naturally, that 3.29 will rise over time but if it ends up around '05, this is a more dangerous team. I'd expect around 99 wins with an ERA like that. It's just mathematics really. This team can outscore '05 by a hundred..

Naturally, I'm assuming that Konerko, Swisher et al have their heads out of their asses for the duration.

DumpJerry
06-09-2008, 10:10 PM
Can somebody tell me what the White Sox record was on THIS day in 2004 and 2006? Thanks! I do not know how to find in mlb.com or google/yahoo.

Thanks! I'm gonna go check it right now!
ESPN.com is also a source. It is a treasure trove of stats, etc. going back to 2002.

Frontman
06-09-2008, 10:11 PM
Naturally, that 3.29 will rise over time but if it ends up around '05, this is a more dangerous team. I'd expect around 99 wins with an ERA like that. It's just mathematics really. This team can outscore '05 by a hundred..

Naturally, I'm assuming that Konerko, Swisher et al have their heads out of their asses for the duration.

Hard for me to be on those two cases after it was their hits that won today's game for the Sox.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:11 PM
ESPN.com is also a source. It is a treasure trove of stats, etc. going back to 2002.


Thanks Dump! However, I got what I need. Thanks again.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:13 PM
Naturally, that 3.29 will rise over time but if it ends up around '05, this is a more dangerous team. I'd expect around 99 wins with an ERA like that. It's just mathematics really. This team can outscore '05 by a hundred..

Naturally, I'm assuming that Konerko, Swisher et al have their heads out of their asses for the duration.

Thanks Elephant! I keep telling my family that this could be a BETTER team than 2005.

HomeFish
06-09-2008, 10:13 PM
What were the records of our ALC opponents in 06? Were the Sox 6.5 games in front of the second place team? Were those opponents looking like flukes or like serious contenders? What was our record against said opponents at this time of the year? What was the team ERA?

The reasons people are comparing this year to 2005 has more to do with our current situation in terms of division placement as it does anything else. I would think that would be pretty obvious...

We were leading the WC "division" by 10 at one point in 2006. I see no real reason to think that a WC lead is radically different than a division lead.

soxwon
06-09-2008, 10:14 PM
The Sox record on June 9th, 2005 was 40-19, up 4.5 games on second place Minnesota, who was 35-23.

were not talkin june 9, were talkin 63 games not 59 games

Eddo144
06-09-2008, 10:15 PM
Thanks man! I was actually looking for 2004 & 2006, but I got the idea. Once again, thanks so much!! :smile:
You're welcome MCH! Baseball-reference is a really cool site, I tend to get lost there as I think of more things to look up.

ESPN, as previously mentioned, has a lot of good stats, as well as www.retrosheet.org, though I've only been there a few times.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:16 PM
were not talkin june 9, were talkin 63 games not 59 games


So, if we WIN the others, we COULD be 41-26.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:17 PM
You're welcome MCH! Baseball-reference is a really cool site, I tend to get lost there as I think of more things to look up.

ESPN, as previously mentioned, has a lot of good stats, as well as www.retrosheet.org (http://www.retrosheet.org), though I've only been there a few times.

Thanks once again. I will bookmark these sites.

DumpJerry
06-09-2008, 10:18 PM
I think about this sometimes, and then I think about the ease that was the 2005 postseason. It ain't going to repeat itself.
Only two teams went wire-to-wire in first place in their respective league and swept the World Series: the 2005 White Sox and 1927 Yankees. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1927.shtml)

You're right Gavin, 2005 won't happen again, but that is part of what makes it so special.

Elephant
06-09-2008, 10:21 PM
What were the records of our ALC opponents in 06? Were the Sox 6.5 games in front of the second place team? Were those opponents looking like flukes or like serious contenders? What was our record against said opponents at this time of the year? What was the team ERA?

The reasons people are comparing this year to 2005 has more to do with our current situation in terms of division placement as it does anything else. I would think that would be pretty obvious...

This year is much more comparable to 2005 overall than it is to 2006: we lead the pack comfortably and everyone else is pretty mediocre or bad.

Early in (edited: 05), our competition was Minnesota, then they faded away and Cleveland surged. That could happen again.

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:23 PM
This year is much more comparable to 2005 overall than it is to 2006: we lead the pack comfortably and everyone else is pretty mediocre or bad.

Early in 06, our competition was Minnesota, then they faded away and Cleveland surged. That could happen again.l


Wait! I thought CLE did nothing in 2006. I thought it was SOX/MIN/DET. In 2005, it was MIN, then CLE.

Elephant
06-09-2008, 10:23 PM
Wait! I thought CLE did nothing in 2006. I thought it was SOX/MIN/DET. In 2005, it was MIN, then CLE.

I slipped.

Edited!

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:24 PM
Now you edit. I got it now. Sorry.

Chicken Dinner
06-09-2008, 10:25 PM
http://www.geocities.com/bigbob152000/SoxTheme.mp3

chisoxmike
06-09-2008, 10:26 PM
I'm still not ready to start printing playoff tickets for this team, but things are going very well right now for our Sox. It's the Sox division to lose right now.

Elephant
06-09-2008, 10:30 PM
I'm still not ready to start printing playoff tickets for this team, but things are going very well right now for our Sox. It's the Sox division to lose right now.

I actually am printing them.

My biceps: 19.5 inches and rising

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 10:31 PM
http://www.geocities.com/bigbob152000/SoxTheme.mp3


No Harrows Way?!?! :D:

TheOldRoman
06-09-2008, 10:58 PM
No. Why the hell would I want that?Because your beloved Twinsies won the division?

LoveYourSuit
06-09-2008, 11:20 PM
Thanks Elephant! I keep telling my family that this could be a BETTER team than 2005.


No way. This team is not grindery or swaggerish enough like '05. We will never win anything without Aaron Rowand in patrol of CF for us.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-10-2008, 09:45 AM
Maybe I'm the only one but this team reminds me a little more of the 1983 team than the 2005 one in the sense that they both struggled in April and May and have heated up in June. I just hope Tito Landrum doesn't sign with whomever the Sox face in the playoffs.

Eddo144
06-10-2008, 09:57 AM
Only two teams went wire-to-wire in first place in their respective league and swept the World Series: the 2005 White Sox and 1927 Yankees. (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/NYY/1927.shtml)

You're right Gavin, 2005 won't happen again, but that is part of what makes it so special.
Additionally, the 1990 Reds (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1990_sched.shtml) were in first place all year (tied for the first two games) and swept Oakland in the World Series.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-10-2008, 10:05 AM
Additionally, the 1990 Reds (http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/CIN/1990_sched.shtml) were in first place all year (tied for the first two games) and swept Oakland in the World Series.

You beat me to it. I noticed that too. I still remember how heavily favored the A's were to win it. I was glad the A's lost seeing as how Dave Stewart said something to the effect of no one on the White Sox (except Fisk) was fit to carry his jock strap.

That reminds me of how fun that 1990 team was to watch.

jabrch
06-10-2008, 10:09 AM
I just hope Tito Landrum doesn't sign with whomever the Sox face in the playoffs.

I hope he does...He's almost 60 years old by now!!!!!

FWIW - I'm amazed MLB tried a Senior League.


http://www.checkoutmycards.com/CardImages/Cards/007/778/07F.jpg (http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Baseball/1989-90/Topps_Senior_League/94/Tito_Landrum#)
http://www.checkoutmycards.com/CardImages/Cards/007/778/07b.jpg (http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Baseball/1989-90/Topps_Senior_League/94/Tito_Landrum#)

jsg-07
06-10-2008, 10:15 AM
No way. This team is not grindery or swaggerish enough like '05. We will never win anything without Aaron Rowand in patrol of CF for us.

Oh my god... could you imagine what it would be like if we had signed him in the offseason and were where we are now??? People would be ready for Kenny to give him a 50 year contract.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-10-2008, 10:20 AM
I hope he does...He's almost 60 years old by now!!!!!

FWIW - I'm amazed MLB tried a Senior League.

:tongue: OK he's 60 but I'll be scared if I hear that Tito Landrum Jr. is coming up to bat against us in the 10th of a 0-0 game! :rolleyes:

And yes there was a Senior league (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senior_Professional_Baseball_Association), although I don't think MLB had anything to do with it.

Corlose 15
06-10-2008, 10:38 AM
Maybe I'm the only one but this team reminds me a little more of the 1983 team than the 2005 one in the sense that they both struggled in April and May and have heated up in June. I just hope Tito Landrum doesn't sign with whomever the Sox face in the playoffs.

Also, things started to turn around once a catcher was put in the 2 spot in the lineup.

Also, the Sox the only team in the AL West over .500 that year.

There are some similarities.

TDog
06-10-2008, 11:54 AM
Maybe I'm the only one but this team reminds me a little more of the 1983 team than the 2005 one in the sense that they both struggled in April and May and have heated up in June. I just hope Tito Landrum doesn't sign with whomever the Sox face in the playoffs.

Of course, the reason the 2005 White Sox are more fondly remembered than the 1983 White Sox is the postseason. There was no collapse to stave off in 1983. The season, after the Sox bolted into first place, was more fun. It became the first Chicago baseball team ever to draw 2 million fans, something Bill Veeck said would never be possible. The Sox were no-hit by a division rival in September, but their AL West lead wasn't threatened in the last two months of the season. Through September, 1983 was more fun than 2005. And 2000 was a blast though September.

This looks like a great summer to enjoy White Sox baseball. And it could end with the White Sox playing in October. Enjoy it while the magic lasts. The pitching is good enough that it probably will last longer than 1977. The hitting is good enough (and there isn't a powerhouse rival having a great season to this point) that it probably will last longer than 1972.

The best you can do is get to October. What happens in October will shape how people remember the team.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-10-2008, 11:58 AM
Of course, the reason the 2005 White Sox are more fondly remembered than the 1983 White Sox is the postseason. There was no collapse to stave off in 1983. The season, after the Sox bolted into first place, was more fun. It became the first Chicago baseball team ever to draw 2 million fans, something Bill Veeck said would never be possible. The Sox were no-hit by a division rival in September, but their AL West lead wasn't threatened in the last two months of the season. Through September, 1983 was more fun than 2005. And 2000 was a blast though September.

This looks like a great summer to enjoy White Sox baseball. And it could end with the White Sox playing in October. Enjoy it while the magic lasts. The pitching is good enough that it probably will last longer than 1977. The hitting is good enough (and there isn't a powerhouse rival having a great season to this point) that it probably will last longer than 1972.

The best you can do is get to October. What happens in October will shape how people remember the team.

Good post. Yeah that's very true. October will determine how this team will be remembered but they are a fun bunch to watch.