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SoxGirl4Life
06-09-2008, 12:25 PM
This may be stupid, but we may need some representation at this chat:

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21024

If anyone cares to contribute.

rocky biddle
06-09-2008, 01:30 PM
I like the "Do you think Bud Selig has it out for the Cubs?" question regarding the schedule. Typical. Like MLB wouldn't absolutely love to have the Cubs in the postseason.

guillen4life13
06-09-2008, 01:44 PM
Crasnick looks like he needs to do some homework on the Sox.

turners56
06-09-2008, 01:48 PM
Crasnick looks like he needs to do some homework on the Sox.

He would rather take Marmol and Wood than Jenks and Linebrink. Is he smoking something?

I love the Cubs fan who wants Hawk fired. Why is he watching Sox games in the first place? xD.

doublem23
06-09-2008, 01:55 PM
IMO, I think he's been as fair and well-educated as most national media folks have been to the Sox. No wonder he's not one of ESPN's headline guys. :cool:

RockyMtnSoxFan
06-09-2008, 02:01 PM
For what it's worth ... link (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21024).

I don't really care a whole lot what Jerry Crasnick has to say, but it's mildly entertaining at least.

turners56
06-09-2008, 02:02 PM
For what it's worth ... link (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/chatESPN?event_id=21024).

I don't really care a whole lot what Jerry Crasnick has to say, but it's mildly entertaining at least.

Been posted.

SoxGirl4Life
06-09-2008, 02:02 PM
IMO, I think he's been as fair and well-educated as most national media folks have been to the Sox. No wonder he's not one of ESPN's headline guys. :cool:


I agree. I think he did a good job of keeping the mix of questions equal. Even let that Philly guy chime in on Floyd.

Jaffar
06-09-2008, 02:03 PM
I agree. I think he did a good job of keeping the mix of questions equal. Even let that Philly guy chime in on Floyd.

I thought his response was spot on to that poster.
Clearly he thinks the Cubs are a better team but he did try and keep it pretty fair.

ChiWavDave
06-09-2008, 02:03 PM
I thought Crasnick did a nice job....

RockyMtnSoxFan
06-09-2008, 02:07 PM
Been posted.

Sorry ... I expected to see this in the clubhouse, and since it wasn't there I posted.

soxpride724
06-09-2008, 02:07 PM
He would rather take Marmol and Wood than Jenks and Linebrink. Is he smoking something?

I love the Cubs fan who wants Hawk fired. Why is he watching Sox games in the first place? xD.


Did you see the response from Jerry? Something along the lines of Santo not being that great either,lol.

I mean C'mon, Pat Hughes pretty much works by himself and then you have the occasional "Oh noooo" from Ron. Pat Hughes is a great play by play guy IMO, I would want the 7th inning off too if I had to carry the work load all game.

It's Time
06-09-2008, 02:09 PM
He would rather take Marmol and Wood than Jenks and Linebrink. Is he smoking something?

You act as if that is an easy call. Have you ever seen Marmol pitch? If you wan't to take Bobby, I could see that.

Clearly, you can't go wrong with either.

balke
06-09-2008, 02:13 PM
He can take Wood if he wants. Balsa will find a way to the DL by the playoffs regardless.

thedudeabides
06-09-2008, 02:20 PM
Ii thought it was entertaining. Crasnik new a lot about both of the teams.

Uncle_Patrick
06-09-2008, 02:25 PM
I read it and thought Crasnik was pretty far. I knew that his taking Marmol/Wood over Linebrick/Jenks would be controversial, but I don't think it's necessarily unfair and it seems like, at least at this point in the season, you could do well with either pair.

Bucky F. Dent
06-09-2008, 03:08 PM
Yep. That was a fairly well balanced read.

lukeman89
06-09-2008, 07:32 PM
he said wood is having a better year than jenks. wood has 4 blown saves in a few more opportunities vs. jenks' 3 blown saves. If anything, at this point it is a wash to choose between the two, and i would give an edge to jenks based on post season history and health

turners56
06-09-2008, 07:58 PM
You act as if that is an easy call. Have you ever seen Marmol pitch? If you wan't to take Bobby, I could see that.

Clearly, you can't go wrong with either.

When Kerry Wood blows, he blows saves. Marmol is a great pitcher, no doubt. But is Scott Linebrink any worse?

MCHSoxFan
06-09-2008, 09:37 PM
he said wood is having a better year than jenks. wood has 4 blown saves in a few more opportunities vs. jenks' 3 blown saves. If anything, at this point it is a wash to choose between the two, and i would give an edge to jenks based on post season history and health

The health really seals the deal. Plus, in 2005, Bobby was sooo young and did really good. He is the first rookie to close the clinching game of a World Series game. Obviously, it was Game 4 of the 2005 World Series.

turners56
06-09-2008, 09:44 PM
The health really seals the deal. Plus, in 2005, Bobby was sooo young and did really good. He is the first rookie to close the clinching game of a World Series game. Obviously, it was Game 4 of the 2005 World Series.

What about Wainwright? Was he not a rookie in 06?

RadioheadRocks
06-09-2008, 10:02 PM
What about Wainwright? Was he not a rookie in 06?


Jenks in 05, Wainwright in 06; so the poster was correct in saying Jenks was the first.

turners56
06-09-2008, 10:04 PM
Jenks in 05, Wainwright in 06; so the poster was correct in saying Jenks was the first.

Blah, I missed that part. I thought he said the only rookie to do it.

JB98
06-09-2008, 10:29 PM
When Kerry Wood blows, he blows saves. Marmol is a great pitcher, no doubt. But is Scott Linebrink any worse?

Linebrink doesn't have the strikeouts Marmol has. Linebrink has been every bit as effective. He just doesn't have the slider that makes all the "experts" ooh and ahh like Marmol does.

turners56
06-09-2008, 10:32 PM
Linebrink doesn't have the strikeouts Marmol has. Linebrink has been every bit as effective. He just doesn't have the slider that makes all the "experts" ooh and ahh like Marmol does.

I guess a good splitter and a 93 MPH fastball just doesn't "wow" people anymore. Marmol reminds me of Dotel when he was on the Astros. Similar delivery, similar stuff.

kittle42
06-10-2008, 12:59 AM
I guess a good splitter and a 93 MPH fastball just doesn't "wow" people anymore. Marmol reminds me of Dotel when he was on the Astros. Similar delivery, similar stuff.

I'd take Marmol over any reliever on the Sox.

ilsox7
06-10-2008, 01:00 AM
I'd take Marmol over any reliever on the Sox.

Hopefully his arm doesn't fall off with how much they have been using (overusing?) him this year.

Ziggy S
06-10-2008, 10:40 AM
Linebrink is my mancrush, in a totally heterosexual way.

Sad
06-10-2008, 11:01 AM
I'd take Marmol over any reliever on the Sox.


you & me both.. he is lights-out...

Madscout
06-10-2008, 11:53 AM
Gotta ask the question that counts. Which pen would you rather have?

CL Bobby Jenks (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jenksbo01.shtml)
RP Scott Linebrink (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/linebsc01.shtml)
RP Octavio Dotel (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/doteloc01.shtml)
RP *Boone Logan (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/loganbo02.shtml)
RP *Matt Thornton (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thornma01.shtml)
RP Nick Masset (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/masseni01.shtml)
Mike MacDougal (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/macdomi01.shtml)
Ehren Wassermann (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wasseeh01.shtml)
RP Esteban Loaiza (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/loaizes01.shtml)

vs

CL Kerry Wood (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodke02.shtml)
RP Carlos Marmol (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marmoca01.shtml)
RP Bobby Howry (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/howrybo01.shtml)
RP Michael Wuertz (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wuertmi01.shtml)
RP Jon Lieber (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/liebejo01.shtml)
RP Kevin Hart (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartke01.shtml)
*Sean Marshall (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marshse01.shtml)
RP *Scott Eyre (http://www.baseball-reference.com/e/eyresc01.shtml)
Jose Ascanio (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/ascanjo01.shtml)
RP *Neal Cotts (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cottsne01.shtml)
Chad Fox (http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/foxch02.shtml)
*Carmen Pignatiello (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pignaca01.shtml)

This is of course, a list of all that have pitched for their respective teams, and a position denotes that they are on the active roster.

Edit: For the record, I don't think it is even close. Pen ERA Sox 2.88 vs Cubs 3.12

Eddo144
06-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Gotta ask the question that counts. Which pen would you rather have?

...

Edit: For the record, I don't think it is even close. Pen ERA Sox 2.88 vs Cubs 3.12
I agree. Though the Cubs' bullpen has performed well so far, I think the Sox' pen is more likely to remain strong as the year goes on. If I were a Cub fan, relying on Kerry Wood would scare the crap out of me.

chisoxfanatic
06-10-2008, 12:36 PM
I agree. Though the Cubs' bullpen has performed well so far, I think the Sox' pen is more likely to remain strong as the year goes on. If I were a Cub fan, relying on Kerry Wood would scare the crap out of me.
I think so too. I was talking with someone here at work about this just a couple hours ago, actually. We both agreed that Ozzie manages his pitching staff smarter. We both think that the Cubs key arms will be tired come September, while ours will be ready for the final push.

turners56
06-10-2008, 12:42 PM
I'd take Marmol over any reliever on the Sox.

Would you take him before his arm falls of or after his arm falls off? The guy's thrown 40 innings already and a lot of his outings are in pressure situations. He would make an incredible closer and his stuff is better than anybody's in the Sox bullpen. But the workload put on him so far might start catching up sooner or later.

turners56
06-10-2008, 12:45 PM
Gotta ask the question that counts. Which pen would you rather have?

CL Bobby Jenks (http://www.baseball-reference.com/j/jenksbo01.shtml)
RP Scott Linebrink (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/linebsc01.shtml)
RP Octavio Dotel (http://www.baseball-reference.com/d/doteloc01.shtml)
RP *Boone Logan (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/loganbo02.shtml)
RP *Matt Thornton (http://www.baseball-reference.com/t/thornma01.shtml)
RP Nick Masset (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/masseni01.shtml)
Mike MacDougal (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/macdomi01.shtml)
Ehren Wassermann (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wasseeh01.shtml)
RP Esteban Loaiza (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/loaizes01.shtml)

vs

CL Kerry Wood (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/woodke02.shtml)
RP Carlos Marmol (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marmoca01.shtml)
RP Bobby Howry (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/howrybo01.shtml)
RP Michael Wuertz (http://www.baseball-reference.com/w/wuertmi01.shtml)
RP Jon Lieber (http://www.baseball-reference.com/l/liebejo01.shtml)
RP Kevin Hart (http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hartke01.shtml)
*Sean Marshall (http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/marshse01.shtml)
RP *Scott Eyre (http://www.baseball-reference.com/e/eyresc01.shtml)
Jose Ascanio (http://www.baseball-reference.com/a/ascanjo01.shtml)
RP *Neal Cotts (http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cottsne01.shtml)
Chad Fox (http://www.baseball-reference.com/f/foxch02.shtml)
*Carmen Pignatiello (http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/pignaca01.shtml)

This is of course, a list of all that have pitched for their respective teams, and a position denotes that they are on the active roster.

Edit: For the record, I don't think it is even close. Pen ERA Sox 2.88 vs Cubs 3.12

They have no true lefty specialist. Eyre has dropped off a lot since they acquired him a couple of years ago. Basically, any time they need to get an out, they go to Marmol. Which is why he's already pitched 40 innings.

PolishPower83
06-10-2008, 12:58 PM
Crasnick's responses seemed pretty dead on. He did some research. I like his comments about taking it slow with Ramirez before he's thrown into the leadoff role. Although if he gets a little more patient, Ozzie would have to at least consider it...