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Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 01:10 AM
Starts at 1 on ESPN2, Sox pick 8th.

The most rumored players the Sox are considering:

Gordon Beckham SS (Reds seem ready to take him at 7)
Yonder Alonso 1B
Brett Wallace 1B/3B
Justin Smoak 1B/DH

sox1970
06-05-2008, 01:12 AM
My prediction: G. Beckham if he's there at 8. If not, Justin Smoak.

A lot of reports say Wallace's stock has dropped.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 01:54 AM
My prediction: G. Beckham if he's there at 8. If not, Justin Smoak.

A lot of reports say Wallace's stock has dropped.

Yeah, he's got a bit of a weight issue, but his bat is pretty darn good.

Boondock Saint
06-05-2008, 02:11 AM
I'd like to see us take a 1B or 3B for the future. But I know little to nothing about the MLB draft and its prospects, so my opinion is little more than guessing.

Fungo
06-05-2008, 06:53 AM
I'm going with Shooter Hunt, RHP, Tulane.

Ethan Martin is another guy I wouldn't mind

sox1970
06-05-2008, 07:39 AM
I'm going with Shooter Hunt, RHP, Tulane.

I'll be shocked and disappointed if they don't take a position player. They need an impact offensive player, and they should be able to get one in the top 10 of the draft.

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 08:26 AM
I'll be shocked and disappointed if they don't take a position player. They need an impact offensive player, and they should be able to get one in the top 10 of the draft.

Same here, a bat is almost a no brainer take here in a draft full of corner infielders.

I also wouldn't mind Hosmer, but I don't think we'd pay him what he wants.

jabrch
06-05-2008, 08:55 AM
http://www.baseballamerica.com/blog/draft/?p=286

Jim Callis' pre-draft notes

A few highlights
He thinks it is a done deal that Beckham goes #1 and Alvarez goes #2.

KC took Boras guys before - so they'd consider Hosmer.

Hunt, Crow and Matusz are slipping - this will be a weak pitching draft

Alan Reiger is Jason Castro's godfather - and Callis speculates that we'd Reiger may draft him. I hope not...

Slot money is up 10% over last year.

sox1970
06-05-2008, 09:04 AM
^

That's Tim Beckham, not Gordon.

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 09:05 AM
I would like to see Smoak... hard hitting switch hitter to play 1B... I figure it would be the perfect scenario because Paulie will be done about the time Smoak comes up...

kraut83
06-05-2008, 09:07 AM
Can anyone enlighten me on catchers besides Castro, that would be available or worth taking at #8. Also, what would the chances be that the Sox take one over Beckham/Alonzo/Smoak?

sox1970
06-05-2008, 09:14 AM
Can anyone enlighten me on catchers besides Castro, that would be available or worth taking at #8. Also, what would the chances be that the Sox take one over Beckham/Alonzo/Smoak?

Buster Posey and Kyle Skipworth are the two highest catching prosepcts. Posey will be gone in the Top 5.

The mlb.com guy is saying the Sox may take Skipworth if Gordon Beckham is gone and Skipworth falls that far.

Skipworth is described as Joe Mauer with more power, but less defensive skills. He's a high schooler, so it would take years for him to be ready.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 11:17 AM
Buster Posey and Kyle Skipworth are the two highest catching prosepcts. Posey will be gone in the Top 5.

The mlb.com guy is saying the Sox may take Skipworth if Gordon Beckham is gone and Skipworth falls that far.

Skipworth is described as Joe Mauer with more power, but less defensive skills. He's a high schooler, so it would take years for him to be ready.

Posey is rumored to be looking for 12 million. That has turned a lot of teams off (if true) and that could cause him to drop to us.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 11:19 AM
Yeah, he's got a bit of a weight issue, but his bat is pretty darn good.

He's had a weight problem his entire college career, so that shouldn't be some new release or something. He can straight mash. He might be a little bit of a stretch, and does not rank higher than Smoak or Alonso. But if those 2 along with GBeckham are gone, I wouldn't be disappointed with him. Kind of like Adrian Gonzalez with bigger legs lol.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 11:21 AM
I would like to see Smoak... hard hitting switch hitter to play 1B... I figure it would be the perfect scenario because Paulie will be done about the time Smoak comes up...

Me too. I think he is my #1 preference. Him or Posey if he slips.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 11:34 AM
Draft Day Mock Draft - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/mock-draft/2008/266271.html

Has us taking Alosno, which I wouldn't mind at all.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 11:38 AM
Draft Day Mock Draft - http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/draft/mock-draft/2008/266271.html

Has us taking Alosno, which I wouldn't mind at all.

Not that it plays a huge role into whether they'll take him or not, but I love that he's a lefty, especially with all the right-handed bats we currently have. Whether all those righties will still be around by the time Alonso makes it up, no idea, but still. A power-hitting lefty would be a great thing to have homegrown from our system.

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 11:42 AM
Posey is rumored to be looking for 12 million. That has turned a lot of teams off (if true) and that could cause him to drop to us.

If he does want 12 million and he falls to us you can rest assured he will fall at least one more slot...no way the Sox pay that kind of money to anyone. Not even half of that.

DSpivack
06-05-2008, 11:51 AM
Rays are taking Tim Beckham first.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080605&content_id=2844900&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 11:52 AM
Not that it plays a huge role into whether they'll take him or not, but I love that he's a lefty, especially with all the right-handed bats we currently have. Whether all those righties will still be around by the time Alonso makes it up, no idea, but still. A power-hitting lefty would be a great thing to have homegrown from our system.

Supposed to be pretty decent in the field, too.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 11:53 AM
If he does want 12 million and he falls to us you can rest assured he will fall at least one more slot...no way the Sox pay that kind of money to anyone. Not even half of that.

I've actually heard the Posey doesn't has a fairly low ceiling, especially for a possible number 1 pick...that he projects as a 6 or 7 hitter in the majors.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 12:03 PM
Rays are taking Tim Beckham first.

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080605&content_id=2844900&vkey=draft2008&fext=.jsp

1 down, 6 to go. It seems to be unanimous that Alvarez goes at 2 to PIT. So KC at 3 = Hosmer? Matusz? Smoak?

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 12:05 PM
1 down, 6 to go. It seems to be unanimous that Alvarez goes at 2 to PIT. So KC at 3 = Hosmer? Matusz? Smoak?

Hosmer

sox1970
06-05-2008, 12:37 PM
Alright, here's my guess (why not):

Rays- Tim Beckham, SS
Pirates-Pedro Alvarez, 3B
Royals- Eric Hosmer, 1B
Orioles- Brian Mutusz, P
Giants- Buster Posey, C
Marlins- Aaron Crow, P
Reds- Gordon Beckham, SS
White Sox- Justin Smoak, 1B

btrain929
06-05-2008, 12:42 PM
Alright, here's my guess (why not):

Rays- Tim Beckham, SS
Pirates-Pedro Alvarez, 3B
Royals- Eric Hosmer, 1B
Orioles- Brian Mutusz, P
Giants- Buster Posey, C
Marlins- Aaron Crow, P
Reds- Gordon Beckham, SS
White Sox- Justin Smoak, 1B

Nobody knows, so it's fun to guess. At least everything I've seen and read says the Marlins want a catcher, whether its Posey or Skipworth. I have a feeling Crow might fall out of the top 8. The rest of that look about right. I think the only team that might sneak up and take Smoak would be the Giants if they don't like Posey's pricetag. So Smoak would go to SF and Posey to FL, leaving us probably with Alonso.

I'll be interested to see who we choose if Smoak and GBeckham are both available, since earlier there was a lot of connection between the Reds and Crow.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 12:48 PM
Alright, here's my guess (why not):

Rays- Tim Beckham, SS
Pirates-Pedro Alvarez, 3B
Royals- Eric Hosmer, 1B
Orioles- Brian Mutusz, P
Giants- Buster Posey, C
Marlins- Aaron Crow, P
Reds- Gordon Beckham, SS
White Sox- Justin Smoak, 1B

I can see that happening, and as train said, the Giants may go with Smoak. But of course, it could be completely different :D:

btrain929
06-05-2008, 12:50 PM
Draft at 1pm, nothing going on right now at work = Time draaaaaaaaaging.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 01:00 PM
Posey is rumored to be looking for 12 million. That has turned a lot of teams off (if true) and that could cause him to drop to us.
And he would drop right past us too...Not only is that stupid money for a prospect, it's irresponsible. No way JR ponys up even close to that kind of dough to land him if he falls.

I hope Smoak falls to us....

And if he did, then the Sox can do another cross promotion with the Chicago Fire. When there's Smoak there's Fire!!

btrain929
06-05-2008, 01:07 PM
And he would drop right past us too...Not only is that stupid money for a prospect, it's irresponsible. No way JR ponys up even close to that kind of dough to land him if he falls.

I hope Smoak falls to us....

And if he did, then the Sox can do another cross promotion with the Chicago Fire. When there's Smoak there's Fire!!

Nice. Or just an inner White sox minor league promotion:

Where there's Smoak, there's usually a Dubee!

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 01:11 PM
Alright, here's my guess (why not):

Rays- Tim Beckham, SS
Pirates-Pedro Alvarez, 3B
Royals- Eric Hosmer, 1B
Orioles- Brian Mutusz, P
Giants- Buster Posey, C
Marlins- Aaron Crow, P
Reds- Gordon Beckham, SS
White Sox- Justin Smoak, 1B

I think that looks about right, with maybe Beckham and Smoak swapping places. I would take Beckham over Smoak and Smoak over Alonso, but either of the three are solid picks.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 01:14 PM
I think that looks about right, with maybe Beckham and Smoak swapping places. I would take Beckham over Smoak and Smoak over Alonso, but either of the three are solid picks.

I'm fairly confident that Crow does not go to the Marlins. I say they opt for a easier-to-sign Catcher like Skipworth.

moochpuppy
06-05-2008, 02:01 PM
Prediction for Sox pick:

1. Gordan Beckham, SS
2. Justin Smoak, 1B/OF

If neither are there they will go pitcher.

White City
06-05-2008, 02:03 PM
C'mon, Smoak. Switch-hitting lefty with power AND average? We love ya, Paulie, but I wouldn't mind having something like that waiting in the wings.

Boondock Saint
06-05-2008, 02:07 PM
C'mon, Smoak. Switch-hitting lefty with power AND average? We love ya, Paulie, but I wouldn't mind having something like that waiting in the wings.


*cough* :tongue:

White City
06-05-2008, 02:09 PM
*cough* :tongue:

That's right. He's a natural lefty (+) who can also switch hit (++). I view that as better than a right-handed batter than can step into the first-base-side batter's box, don't you? Particularly if he will have more power as a lefty bat (an assumption I am making).

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 02:13 PM
I really hope they get Smoak.... I'm okay with Beckham, but I'm really hoping for Smoak...

Boondock Saint
06-05-2008, 02:13 PM
That's right. He's a natural lefty (+) who can also switch hit (++). I view that as better than a right-handed batter than can step into the first-base-side batter's box, don't you? Particularly if he will have more power as a lefty bat (an assumption I am making).

I see where you're going there. I was more pointing out the oxymoron of the term "Switch-hitting lefty" there, when it occured to me (about 1 second after hitting the "submit reply" button) that you could have meant that he throws left handed. Duh. :redneck

FedEx227
06-05-2008, 02:19 PM
See ya later Beckham, go after Buster Posey if he's around!

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 02:24 PM
I think the Giants will determine who we get. They are the swing pick of the top ten picks. If they go Smoak Posey could slip, if they go Posey we should get G Beckham or Smoak.

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 02:31 PM
Hosmer to KC.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 02:34 PM
Matsuz to Baltimore...

White City
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
Matusz to the O's.

C'mon Giants -- take Posey!

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 02:35 PM
how can we go wrong now??? Posey, Smoak, Beckham still available... we need to get 1 of these 3!!!

Man Soo Lee
06-05-2008, 02:37 PM
ESPN 1000 update says that Bruce Levine is reporting that the Sox will take Posey if he's available. For whatever that is worth...

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 02:38 PM
how can we go wrong now??? Posey, Smoak, Beckham still available... we need to get 1 of these 3!!!
There are 3 picks before us...we could go wrong.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 02:39 PM
Posey Gone

White City
06-05-2008, 02:40 PM
Posey to Giants!!!! We're going to get Smoak!

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 02:40 PM
There are 3 picks before us...we could go wrong.

true... we need the Marlins to pick Skipworth or Crow! :redneck

Jaffar
06-05-2008, 02:44 PM
Skipworth gone! Smoak or Beckham will be available.

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 02:45 PM
Ha! Skipworth gone! We will get Beckham or Smoak!

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 02:45 PM
Skipworth gone!
YESSSS. Cmon Smoak!!!

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 02:45 PM
skipworth to the Marlins.. that leaves both Beckham and Smoak... looks like we are going to get 1 of them!!!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

Jaffar
06-05-2008, 02:48 PM
skipworth to the Marlins.. that leaves both Beckham and Smoak... looks like we are going to get 1 of them!!!! :bandance::bandance::bandance:

Any chance we wouldn't be able to sign either player and the Sox surprise everyone? Just curious.

RoobarbPie
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
I want Smoak over Beckham - but wouldn't be upset either way.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-05-2008, 02:49 PM
YESSSS. Cmon Smoak!!!

I don't know too much about the players that are in the draft but what's the quick scouting report on Smoak?

kraut83
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Reds take Alonzo.

Come on Smoak!

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
Beckham or Smoak folkes!

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 02:50 PM
holy ****... Alonzo to Cin... who do we choose??? I really hope they go after Smoak!!!!

chaotic8512
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
Alonso's gone! We get to choose who we want!! :)

Vestigio
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
Please Smoak or Crow!!! (preferably Smoak)

White City
06-05-2008, 02:51 PM
I don't know too much about the players that are in the draft but what's the quick scouting report on Smoak?

Projects to 40 homers and high average, plays decent defense at first, a bit slow but decent baserunning ability, switch hitter but natural lefty.

He's a college player, so if he progresses well, we could seamlessly replace Konerko when he is done.

sox1970
06-05-2008, 02:52 PM
They can't go wrong. Smoak and Beckham are both real good picks.

My gut is saying Beckham, but it would be cool to take a power hitting switch hitter.

jcw218
06-05-2008, 02:53 PM
Yonder Alonso to Reds. Smoak and Beckham both available.

RoobarbPie
06-05-2008, 02:53 PM
I don't know too much about the players that are in the draft but what's the quick scouting report on Smoak?

ESPN compares him to a switch hitting Adrian Gonzalez, but with more power

Jaffar
06-05-2008, 02:54 PM
Who is considered the better player of the 2? Take that guy.:gulp:

soxfanreggie
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
And with the 8th pick in the draft...the Chicago White Sox select James Gordon Beckham, SS, UGA.

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Beckham it is!

Jaffar
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Beckham it is!

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Beckham!!

102605
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
We select Beckham

whitesoxfan
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Wooooo, Beckham was the guy I wanted. Nicely done.

Jaffar
06-05-2008, 02:55 PM
Beckham it is!

Whoa

Boondock Saint
06-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Alright, someone hit me with a scouting report...

102605
06-05-2008, 02:56 PM
Dammit! Should have taken Smoak.

oeo
06-05-2008, 02:57 PM
Alright, someone hit me with a scouting report...

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2008/reports_popup.jsp?popup=yes&content=beckham

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 02:57 PM
I love this pick.

G-Beck baby!

turners56
06-05-2008, 02:58 PM
Chris Singleton is on here! He did some nice analysis too.

Two Beckhams taken in the first round, both who play short stop, both from Georgia. Weird. Not a bad pick.

Hagan
06-05-2008, 02:58 PM
What a great pick! I didnt think he would fall to us.

Randar68
06-05-2008, 02:59 PM
This is who I wanted... We'll see how he does over the next couple of years, but this is the guy I wanted based on who was left on the board...

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 02:59 PM
I was kind of hoping for Smoak, but it looks like Beckham is a great athlete. I guess you can't go wrong selecting the best "baseball" player available... hope he does well and we'll see you in 2010!!!

btrain929
06-05-2008, 02:59 PM
I kinda wanted Smoak :(

Hitmenof77
06-05-2008, 03:02 PM
Will Beckman become the first homegrown SS for the Sox since..... Bucky ****ing Dent??? Has it really been that long?

VeeckAsInWreck
06-05-2008, 03:02 PM
Nats take Crow

Corlose 15
06-05-2008, 03:02 PM
Does the fact that the Sox have both Swisher and Fields with the possibility of moving to 1st and the fact that they're relatively thin on middle infield prospects play a part in them selecting Beckham over Smoak here?

soxfanreggie
06-05-2008, 03:03 PM
Now let's just hope we can get him and some of our other picks signed quickly to fair contracts.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 03:03 PM
I wanted Smoak too, but like others said, can't complain about either one. ESPN said there are Derek Jeter comparisons on Beckham?

White City
06-05-2008, 03:03 PM
I kinda wanted Smoak :(

Me, too. Gordon Beckham is a shortstop, but might get moved to second. He wasn't drafted out of high school and has only one amazing year in college. He hits for power, but doesn't have a whole lot of size.

Smoak just seemed like a better selection to me. If Alexei is settling in at second, and we have Richar -- "where's he going to play?" Perhaps he'll be better than both those guys; where he's being drafted, he better be.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-05-2008, 03:04 PM
Does the fact that the Sox have both Swisher and Fields with the possibility of moving to 1st and the fact that they're relatively thin on middle infield prospects play a part in them selecting Beckham over Smoak here?

I was thinking about that too. I was getting sold on Smoak from what a couple posters wrote. But it's good to get another middle infielder.

Boondock Saint
06-05-2008, 03:04 PM
Does the fact that the Sox have both Swisher and Fields with the possibility of moving to 1st and the fact that they're relatively thin on middle infield prospects play a part in them selecting Beckham over Smoak here?

That's a very good point. I was thinking to myself, "Why would they draft a SS when they've got Alexei and Richar". The pick makes a lot more sense to me now.

palehozenychicty
06-05-2008, 03:04 PM
Now when he gets called up in a couple of years, he must be able to bend it over the fence, rather than the left crosspole. :redneck

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 03:05 PM
This is a very good article breaking down Beckham.

http://www.baseball-intellect.com/Articles/gordon-beckham-swing.html

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:05 PM
I love the pick. The Reds pick makes little sense to me with Votto and Beckham as the potential to be real good. He's a college player too, so I am sure they project him to make the Show in 2 to 3 years. Smoak would have been good too but I think it's a lot easier to find a 1B than a SS.

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 03:06 PM
Wow, Castro goes to the Astros, surprise.

KyWhiSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:06 PM
You build teams up the middle. Beckham is the right choice here. I like what they say about him: he's a ballplayer. The Sox need guys who can do the little things it takes to win. Plus this guy hits for average and has good power.

FedEx227
06-05-2008, 03:07 PM
Does the fact that the Sox have both Swisher and Fields with the possibility of moving to 1st and the fact that they're relatively thin on middle infield prospects play a part in them selecting Beckham over Smoak here?

Yeah, but then you wonder if it just would've been the best idea to take the best available and see what happens and fit him in the when the time comes.

Reading the reports and watching videos I don't think we missed out, they both have pop, Smoak most likely a little more, but Beckham appears to play good D and has a nice swing.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 03:07 PM
Wow, Castro goes to the Astros, surprise.
WOW...Over Smoak? Amazing....

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 03:08 PM
Do the Rangers select Smoak to replace Tiexiera?

FedEx227
06-05-2008, 03:08 PM
You build teams up the middle. Beckham is the right choice here. I like what they say about him: he's a ballplayer. The Sox need guys who can do the little things it takes to win. Plus this guy hits for average and has good power.

:rolleyes::rolleyes: Every player we've acquired since 2004 has been a "BALLPLAYER" that does things right.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:08 PM
I think in any draft, but especially the MLB draft where so many players don't pan out anyway, it is foolish to draft for need, especially since most of these players won't help you for 3 to 4 years and your team can change dramatically in that period. Plus, even if you have 3 to 4 guys at middle infield, you can always trade one if they are all good. I mean hell, look what the Orioles are asking for an above average but not great Brian Roberts.

Domeshot17
06-05-2008, 03:09 PM
Either guy would have been good. Smoak will end up with the better pro career, but he also plays 1st.

I like GB a lot, but the one thing that worries me, he has a funny little hitch in his swing. He may get away with that in College, but not in the pros, and guys who have hitches like that tend to loose a little bit of power as they smooth it out and stop hitching.

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Rangers get a steal and get Smoak.

KyWhiSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Either guy would have been good. Smoak will end up with the better pro career, but he also plays 1st.

I like GB a lot, but the one thing that worries me, he has a funny little hitch in his swing. He may get away with that in College, but not in the pros, and guys who have hitches like that tend to loose a little bit of power as they smooth it out and stop hitching.

The minor league coaches will fix that hitch. (And Walker will ruin him when he gets to the majors.)

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:11 PM
Keith Law on espn.com says that Beckham becomes the top prospect in the Sox organization the day he signs and expects him to move quickly. Even if he is forgetting about Fields, that bodes very well.

palehozenychicty
06-05-2008, 03:13 PM
Either guy would have been good. Smoak will end up with the better pro career, but he also plays 1st.

I like GB a lot, but the one thing that worries me, he has a funny little hitch in his swing. He may get away with that in College, but not in the pros, and guys who have hitches like that tend to loose a little bit of power as they smooth it out and stop hitching.

:?: Did you ride in the DeLorean today?

thomas35forever
06-05-2008, 03:13 PM
I can imagine Beckham and Alexei being one of the best middle-infield duos in the game in a few years. I can't wait to see this guy play at Comiskey!:smile:

CHIsoxNation
06-05-2008, 03:13 PM
Either guy would have been good. Smoak will end up with the better pro career, but he also plays 1st.

I like GB a lot, but the one thing that worries me, he has a funny little hitch in his swing. He may get away with that in College, but not in the pros, and guys who have hitches like that tend to loose a little bit of power as they smooth it out and stop hitching.

Check out that link that was posted above...they compare GB's swing to A Rod's...who also has a hitch. I think A Rod is a pretty big exception though.

doublem23
06-05-2008, 03:15 PM
I think in any draft, but especially the MLB draft where so many players don't pan out anyway, it is foolish to draft for need, especially since most of these players won't help you for 3 to 4 years and your team can change dramatically in that period. Plus, even if you have 3 to 4 guys at middle infield, you can always trade one if they are all good. I mean hell, look what the Orioles are asking for an above average but not great Brian Roberts.

I agree.

duke of dorwood
06-05-2008, 03:15 PM
We did well -very pleased

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:15 PM
The minor league coaches will fix that hitch. (And Walker will ruin him when he gets to the majors.)

I'm wary of playing around with a guy's swing before he demonstrates he can't hit. Kirby Puckett and Eric Davis has hitches too and where able to do pretty well....this guy has incredibly quick wrists apparently to help make up for the hitch. I mean it is definitely something to keep an eye on but isn't necessarily a problem.

White City
06-05-2008, 03:15 PM
Check out that link that was posted above...they compare GB's swing to A Rod's...who also has a hitch. I think A Rod is a pretty big exception though.

They compare his swing, but not in a favorable way.

The same site had a much better review of Smoak, and gave him higher upside and downside ratings. Smoak in Texas will be SICK!

oeo
06-05-2008, 03:17 PM
We did well -very pleased

The first pick is good, but let's see how the rest goes.

champagne030
06-05-2008, 03:18 PM
Me, too. Gordon Beckham is a shortstop, but might get moved to second. He wasn't drafted out of high school and has only one amazing year in college. He hits for power, but doesn't have a whole lot of size.

Smoak just seemed like a better selection to me. If Alexei is settling in at second, and we have Richar -- "where's he going to play?" Perhaps he'll be better than both those guys; where he's being drafted, he better be.

Beckham was drafted by the Red Sox out of high school. Maybe one amazing year in college, but he was pretty damn good as a sophomore too. Plus, he tore up the Cape Cod league and it doesn't look like his success is driven by a metal bat.

All of that said, I was kind of hoping for Smoak, but this works too.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 03:19 PM
We did well -very pleased
Hopefully we can draft a few more high upside guys that help us out later in the draft. Maybe Jordan Danks in the 3rd round?

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 03:22 PM
The Walrus goes to the Cards.

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 03:25 PM
Hopefully we can draft a few more high upside guys that help us out later in the draft. Maybe Jordan Danks in the 3rd round?

I wish we had our 2nd round pick... why is it that the Brewers get a comp pick after the 1st round for losing Linebrink... and also get our 2nd round pick for Linebrink... these draft rules seem really weird!

White City
06-05-2008, 03:26 PM
I wish we had our 2nd round pick... why is it that the Brewers get a comp pick after the 1st round for losing Linebrink... and also get our 2nd round pick for Linebrink... these draft rules seem really weird!

We'll like that rule better next year, if we get similar compensation (or better) for O-Cab.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:27 PM
Here is Beckham's bio and freshman/soph stats from UGA's website. Very solid freshman and sophomore years for those of you that erroneously claim he's a one year wonder.

http://www.georgiadogs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8800&ATCLID=344183

KyWhiSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:27 PM
Typical Sox fans. Never satisfied. No matter who they drafted, people want the other guy.

More people here seem to be disappointed the Sox did not pick Smoak than happy they took Beckham.

I'm happy. I think they took the right guy. I'd rather build around a shortstop, and I'd rather draft a shortstop who could be moved to another positions if needed and offers versatility.

White City
06-05-2008, 03:29 PM
By the way, did anyone notice Ozzie in the "war room" when ESPN2 flashed to it before our pick? Shouldn't he be napping in his office or buying blowup dolls for the Twins series or something?

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 03:29 PM
Aaron Hicks, future Sox killer.

veeter
06-05-2008, 03:31 PM
Rangers get a steal and get Smoak.Just what the Rangers need, more offense. :o:

KyWhiSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:35 PM
I know you can't trade draft picks. But can a drafted players be traded as soon as they're signed?

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:35 PM
I wish we had our 2nd round pick... why is it that the Brewers get a comp pick after the 1st round for losing Linebrink... and also get our 2nd round pick for Linebrink... these draft rules seem really weird!

I hope this is more of a statement that you don't like the MLB draft rules than a statement that you rather have a 2nd round pick than Linebrink.

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 03:36 PM
Interviewing Beckham now.

soxfanreggie
06-05-2008, 03:37 PM
Good interview with Beckham (our Beckham) on ESPN. This guy looks like a good get...big hair...does he share a barber with Mel Kiper?

soxfanreggie
06-05-2008, 03:38 PM
Does anyone else think Bud is the worst commissioner at doing a draft?

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 03:40 PM
Good interview with Beckham (our Beckham) on ESPN. This guy looks like a good get...big hair...does he share a barber with Mel Kiper?

Ha I was just gonna say something about that. He does seem to be a good character guy. "I can't believe they made me change my shirt." :tongue:

whitesoxfan
06-05-2008, 03:42 PM
Does anyone else think Bud is the worst commissioner at doing a draft?

He's the worst commissioner at a lot of things.

palehozenychicty
06-05-2008, 03:44 PM
He's the worst commissioner at a lot of things.


Word.

FedEx227
06-05-2008, 03:48 PM
I know you can't trade draft picks. But can a drafted players be traded as soon as they're signed?

A friend and I were discussing this yesterday, don't know for sure the answer. At first I said yes, based off what Oakland did with Jeremy Bonderman in 2001, but I came to find out he did actually play in the organization's A+ league for a whole year (25 starts).

Corlose 15
06-05-2008, 03:51 PM
A friend and I were discussing this yesterday, don't know for sure the answer. At first I said yes, based off what Oakland did with Jeremy Bonderman in 2001, but I came to find out he did actually play in the organization's A+ league for a whole year (25 starts).

I saw a feature on him on FSN Detroit and I believe that you only have to play in the organization for a year before you leave. He was a PTBNL. I think he mentioned in that piece that he still played in the Oakland organization after he had been traded so that he could get his year of service time in. He mentioned it was pretty awkward because he really had not connection to the organization at that point.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 03:51 PM
I know you can't trade draft picks. But can a drafted players be traded as soon as they're signed?
No, they have to be in the organization for 1 year after they are signed before they are eligible to be traded.

I believe MLB is dicussing the possibility of letting teams trade draft picks in the future.

1989
06-05-2008, 03:52 PM
waiting for christian frederich to get picked.....

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 03:57 PM
Cashner to the Cubs...Could be in their BP by next year.

KyWhiSoxFan
06-05-2008, 03:57 PM
No, they have to be in the organization for 1 year after they are signed before they are eligible to be traded.

I believe MLB is dicussing the possibility of letting teams trade draft picks in the future.

Thanks.

(I was hoping the Rangers could sign Smoak tomorrow and the Sox could give them Masset for him to make all those anguished souls who wanted Smoak so badly happy. LOL)

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 04:09 PM
Theardjack: :twinslose End threadjack.

Tragg
06-05-2008, 04:12 PM
Cashner to the Cubs...Could be in their BP by next year.
Royce Ring II
Roll out the Barrels.

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 04:29 PM
Geez, the draft would already be in about the 4th round by now a couple of years ago before it got televised. I think you had like, what--10 seconds between picks?

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 04:38 PM
Geez, the draft would already be in about the 4th round by now a couple of years ago before it got televised. I think you had like, what--10 seconds between picks?

We'd only be on about pick 6 though if it were the NFL draft.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 04:45 PM
Twins just draft a guy with a 94 mph sinker and no breaking pitch. Keith Law calls it the biggest "suprise" (read reach) of the first round.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 04:48 PM
Twins just draft a guy with a 94 mph sinker and no breaking pitch. Keith Law calls it the biggest "suprise" (read reach) of the first round.

It's the Twins, though. I'm sure he'll end up a thorn in our rear-ends.

White City
06-05-2008, 04:50 PM
It's the Twins, though. I'm sure he'll end up a thorn in our rear-ends.

No doubt. Was his name Cy Piranha, perchance?

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 04:52 PM
I hope this is more of a statement that you don't like the MLB draft rules than a statement that you rather have a 2nd round pick than Linebrink.

Of course it wasn't a dig on Linebrink... just don't like how baseball punishes you for going out and spending money on free agents!

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 05:03 PM
It's the Twins, though. I'm sure he'll end up a thorn in our rear-ends.

Funny you should say that. Law's one positive comment (if you can call it that) was basically the Twins have a proven track record with hard throwers out of the pen so maybe they know what they are doing even though the pick makes little sense...I don't know...it's kind of like saying when the Bears drafted Dan Bazuin in the 2nd round...people were like ***, but pointed out that the Bears have a track record of finding diamonds in the rough from small schools...too bad it appears to be that the Bears overestimated that ability...hope that's the case here.


Watch how he develops a Rivera-esque cutter or something.

Tekijawa
06-05-2008, 05:13 PM
So does OC become Ozzies second Favorite SS right now?

btrain929
06-05-2008, 05:41 PM
I'm not sure how much of the draft is supposed to be covered today. Do we get to make our 3rd round selection later tonight or is that tomorrow?

sox1970
06-05-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm not sure how much of the draft is supposed to be covered today. Do we get to make our 3rd round selection later tonight or is that tomorrow?

Tonight. They go to 8pm.

White City
06-05-2008, 05:50 PM
Why on earth do they need this long break between 1A and Round 2?

Everyone making a run for the border, perhaps?

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 06:54 PM
Is Jordan Danks going to be around in rd 3 for us? If he is are the Sox almost guaranteed to take him?

sox1970
06-05-2008, 06:56 PM
Is Jordan Danks going to be around in rd 3 for us? If he is are the Sox almost guaranteed to take him?

Not sure, but we'll find out soon. He was not picked thru 77 picks. Round 3 starts now.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 06:58 PM
We pick at 86 correct?

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 07:00 PM
Wow...didn't know he was the brother of John...if the Sox got him that would be almost as cool as the two Beckham brothers going in the first round.

sox1970
06-05-2008, 07:02 PM
2 more picks. Red Sox, then White Sox.

White City
06-05-2008, 07:03 PM
Is that Edgar Olmos from California possibly the son of Edward James Olmos?

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 07:03 PM
Sox are picking now, Danks still on the board.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 07:03 PM
Roger Kieshcnick goes to the Giants....wonder if he's related to former Cub first round pick Brooks Kieschnick?

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 07:04 PM
No Danks, 3B Brent Morel.

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 07:04 PM
Is that Edgar Olmos from California possibly the son of Edward James Olmos?

How do I reach these kiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiids?

sox1970
06-05-2008, 07:04 PM
Brent Morel, 3B, Cal Poly-SLO

http://www.gopoly.com/index.php?p=sports&id=29871&tab=roster&player=15051

White City
06-05-2008, 07:05 PM
Brent Morel -- right-handed 3B out of Cal State San Luis Obispo.

No scouting report on MLB.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 07:06 PM
Maybe they think this kid is a stud and Danks will still be around for the 4th rd pick? :scratch:

UofCSoxFan
06-05-2008, 07:09 PM
He has a beautiful swing (for a righty) on the mlb scouting video.

Corlose 15
06-05-2008, 07:10 PM
Brent Morel -- right-handed 3B out of Cal State San Luis Obispo.

No scouting report on MLB.

If you use their draft tracker they do have a video of him though.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 07:30 PM
Maybe they think this kid is a stud and Danks will still be around for the 4th rd pick? :scratch:

I guess scouts have been down on Danks' confusing loss of power since being originally drafted out of HS. I'd still take a flier on him with the 4th round pick. We certainly thought highly enough of him to take him knowing he wouldn't sign a few years back.

sox1970
06-05-2008, 07:32 PM
I guess scouts have been down on Danks' confusing loss of power since being originally drafted out of HS. I'd still take a flier on him with the 4th round pick. We certainly thought highly enough of him to take him knowing he wouldn't sign a few years back.

114--no Danks yet. Sox pick at 120. They'll probably take a pitcher.

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 07:38 PM
Andrew O'Neil RHP

sox1970
06-05-2008, 07:38 PM
4th Round-- Drew O'Neil, RHP Penn St.

http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/oneil_drew00.html

He's a reliever.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 07:39 PM
Andrew O'Neil
RHP - Penn St

btrain929
06-05-2008, 07:46 PM
4th Round-- Drew O'Neil, RHP Penn St.

http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/oneil_drew00.html

He's a reliever.

More specifically, their closer. Apparently has been pretty dominant the past 2 years there. Only has about 30 IP's this year, but an ERA under 2.

Danks is STILL out there? Wow...

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 07:47 PM
Don't see Morel or O'Neil in BA's top 200

btrain929
06-05-2008, 07:50 PM
Don't see Morel or O'Neil in BA's top 200

That's based on skill, not their potential to be Chicago Tough...

But seriously, it's like we always try to find the diamonds in the rough instead of taking the better player, period.

We shall see....

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 08:00 PM
That's based on skill, not their potential to be Chicago Tough...

But seriously, it's like we always try to find the diamonds in the rough instead of taking the better player, period.

We shall see....
They do seem to do that quite a bit. Banking on another Buerhle find?:scratch:

getonbckthr
06-05-2008, 08:02 PM
Who was the kid that was highly touted but got hurt on Monday I believe? And was he drafted?

The Thomenator
06-05-2008, 08:07 PM
4th Round-- Drew O'Neil, RHP Penn St.

http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/oneil_drew00.html

He's a reliever.

That guy has to be Ed O'Neil's kid.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/Imalmost35/zone-al_bundy.png

getonbckthr
06-05-2008, 08:08 PM
Is every high school senior and every college player eligible for the draft or do they need to declare?

sox1970
06-05-2008, 08:09 PM
5th-- Dan Hudson, RHP, Old Dominion

http://odusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/hudson_dan00.html

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 08:12 PM
No one likes Jordan.

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 08:13 PM
5th-- Dan Hudson, RHP, Old Dominion

http://odusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/hudson_dan00.html

Another guy I can't find in the top 200. :scratch:

KRS1
06-05-2008, 08:22 PM
Another guy I can't find in the top 200. :scratch:

The video looks good though. He has a wicked two-seamer from the looks of it. Pretty clean arm action from a low three-quarter/high sidearm slot too.

Mr. White Sox
06-05-2008, 08:28 PM
That guy has to be Ed O'Neil's kid.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a310/Imalmost35/zone-al_bundy.png

"The son of David and Kathy O'Neil..."

In the BP chat, one guy is raving about O'Neil. He had 43 ground ball outs in 2008 compared to 3 outfield fly ball outs. Wow.

sox1970
06-05-2008, 08:31 PM
Danks dropped to at least the 6th round. Last round of the day.

Over By There
06-05-2008, 08:37 PM
The Sox just drafted a guy named Ken Williams? As in Kenny's son?

EDIT: Indeed.

sox1970
06-05-2008, 08:37 PM
6th--Kenny Williams, Jr., CF, Wichita St

http://www.goshockers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=61171&SPID=2844&DB_OEM_ID=7500&ATCLID=648540&Q_SEASON=2006

Switch hitter.

Time will tell how over-drafted he was.

JohnTucker0814
06-05-2008, 08:39 PM
looks like a waste pick.... is this Kenny's kid, it's Kenny Williams Jr on the video... he doesn't look very good!

Over By There
06-05-2008, 08:40 PM
Definitely Kenny's son. Was this expected? Looks like he has decent numbers, but... :?:

Mr. White Sox
06-05-2008, 08:42 PM
looks like a waste pick.... is this Kenny's kid, it's Kenny Williams Jr on the video... he doesn't look very good!

Wow, that's one terrible video. My favorite part was when he got really pissed after a foul popup...

Not that I know anything about him as a hitter, but it is odd that the GM takes his kid in an early round.

EDIT (from a chat):
Kevin Goldstein (5:43:34 PM PT): jamin67038 (Wichita, KS): Wow. Kenny Williams Jr. to the ChiSox in the 6th. Was he really rated that high, or am I right to be cynical?

He's not as good a prospect as his dad was, and while he would have been drafted in the next few rounds, yes, the 6th round seems like a reach.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 08:46 PM
Oney Guillen and Kenny Williams Jr. Please, for the love of everything that is Holy, don't draft anybody related to Greg Walker...

sox1970
06-05-2008, 08:51 PM
That scouting video of KW, Jr. looks like ****.

THE Kenny Williams, Jr. --just an awful 6th round pick.

Maybe Coop will help him...

Sockinchisox
06-05-2008, 08:55 PM
Is Danks even in the draft?

EMachine10
06-05-2008, 08:57 PM
Is Danks even in the draft?

I think you enter the draft whether you like it or not. He was drafted by us out of high school even though the whole world knew he wouldn't sign and attend Texas.

I can not figure out why we took Williams over Danks. :dunno:

btrain929
06-05-2008, 08:58 PM
I think you enter the draft whether you like it or not. He was drafted by us out of high school even though the whole world knew he wouldn't sign and attend Texas.

I can not figure out why we took Williams over Danks. :dunno:

Chicago...................Tough.

KRS1
06-05-2008, 09:02 PM
That scouting video of KW, Jr. looks like ****.

THE Kenny Williams, Jr. --just an awful 6th round pick.

Maybe Coop will help him...

Let's see. Low slugging%, poor walks to strikeout ratio, okay average, fantastic athlete with great speed, and a questionable attitude. Yep, that equals a sixth rounder.

Honestly, I'm not going to get all upset about the pick because I have some faith that Kenny has good ethics and made this pick from a baseball standpoint. It doesn't hurt to have some intimate knowledge of the guy you are drafting, but the "personal feelings" comments are inevitable. At least he is a very good athlete. I'm also willing to throw out the attitude issues, as I'm sure Kenny will keep a very close eye on that.

Seriously though, Danks had to have sent out another message to teams telling them he is staying in school.

KRS1
06-05-2008, 09:14 PM
So Wichita State plays FSU tomorrow on ESPN2 if anyone wants to see exactly what we got in KWj.

champagne030
06-05-2008, 09:24 PM
4th Round-- Drew O'Neil, RHP Penn St.

http://gopsusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/oneil_drew00.html

He's a reliever.

Put your ****ing hat on straight!

6th--Kenny Williams, Jr., CF, Wichita St

http://www.goshockers.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=61171&SPID=2844&DB_OEM_ID=7500&ATCLID=648540&Q_SEASON=2006

Switch hitter.

Time will tell how over-drafted he was.

Seriously, I'd rather have scouts stealing money than our GM wasting picks. I cannot wait to see him try to make a comment with a straight face.

cws05champ
06-05-2008, 10:08 PM
"The son of David and Kathy O'Neil..."

In the BP chat, one guy is raving about O'Neil. He had 43 ground ball outs in 2008 compared to 3 outfield fly ball outs. Wow.

From BA: Drew O’Neil has low-to-mid-90s heat from a sidearm/submarine arm angle. O’Neil was an unsigned eighth-rounder of the Reds who moved up four rounds by coming back to school is having an excellent spring.

Also I can not beleive we havn't taken a flier on Danks....

wxkid23
06-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Im from Wichita and I am shocked. I was expecting Kenny Jr to be a big part of our team next year. He has had problems the last month or two with mono and has just recently gotten healthy. From what little I have seen of him he is an athlete with a lot of speed but his batting is suspect.

Britt Burns
06-05-2008, 10:35 PM
Too bad KW Jr. didn't have Boras as an agent.

Embarrasing. At least Shu waited until the 45th round to pick his daughter.

btrain929
06-05-2008, 10:48 PM
From BA: Drew O’Neil has low-to-mid-90s heat from a sidearm/submarine arm angle. O’Neil was an unsigned eighth-rounder of the Reds who moved up four rounds by coming back to school is having an excellent spring.

Also I can not beleive we havn't taken a flier on Danks....

They just had one of the Sox scouts speak with DJ and Hawk in between innings. He said that he has a funky motion, similar to Neshek from MIN with hard sink on his ball. If he stays as a reliever, he might go thru our system quickly.

soxfanreggie
06-05-2008, 11:11 PM
I've seen Williams, Jr. play and am not impressed with the selection at that point in the draft.

RockJock07
06-06-2008, 12:17 AM
Georgia/FSU, ESPN, 11AM. I'm gonna DVR it to see what Gordon is all about.

UofCSoxFan
06-06-2008, 12:23 AM
Ugh. This Williams pick looks like garbage. He plays less than 10 games in two years combined at Arizona (or was it ASU) and has an above average year at WSU...and this is a sixth round pick why?

2906
06-06-2008, 09:39 AM
Jordan Danks' agent, Scott Boras, has been telling teams not to bother drafting Jordan unless they're willing to pony up 1st round money. Got this from a regular poster at another board whose brother works at Baseball America. Take it for what it's worth. I'd imagine some team, possibly the White Sox, will take a flier on Jordan Danks today.

Fungo
06-06-2008, 11:34 AM
Jordan Danks' agent, Scott Boras, has been telling teams not to bother drafting Jordan unless they're willing to pony up 1st round money. Got this from a regular poster at another board whose brother works at Baseball America. Take it for what it's worth. I'd imagine some team, possibly the White Sox, will take a flier on Jordan Danks today.
Sox just took him with their pick in the 7th round

sox1970
06-06-2008, 11:34 AM
Sox just drafted Jordan Danks in the 7th round.

So basically, no 2nd round pick, and they've wasted their 6th and 7th round picks.

chaotic8512
06-06-2008, 11:35 AM
Jordan Danks' agent, Scott Boras, has been telling teams not to bother drafting Jordan unless they're willing to pony up 1st round money. Got this from a regular poster at another board whose brother works at Baseball America. Take it for what it's worth. I'd imagine some team, possibly the White Sox, will take a flier on Jordan Danks today.

And that team is the White Sox.

Taken with our 7th round pick, #210 overall. Don't like how that sounds with the Boras demand of 1st round money, however...

JohnTucker0814
06-06-2008, 11:43 AM
And that team is the White Sox.

Taken with our 7th round pick, #210 overall. Don't like how that sounds with the Boras demand of 1st round money, however...

Why not pay him 2nd round money??? we didn't have a pick there, let's start to spend like we want to build a farm system! I'll be very dissapointed if we don't sign Danks!

VeeckAsInWreck
06-06-2008, 11:45 AM
8th round pick for the White Sox is Kevin Dubler, C from Illinois St.

EMachine10
06-06-2008, 11:46 AM
Gotta be on our toes now, these picks zoom by.

Randar68
06-06-2008, 11:51 AM
Sox just drafted Jordan Danks in the 7th round.

So basically, no 2nd round pick, and they've wasted their 6th and 7th round picks.

LOL, unless they sign him. Given the history with John Danks now and the draft history with Jordan and the very complimentary relationship they developed with the family, I believe the Sox have a better chance to sign him than just about anyone else. IIRC they were offering him 3rd round money int he 20th (IIRC?) round out of HS.

sox1970
06-06-2008, 11:56 AM
LOL, unless they sign him. Given the history with John Danks now and the draft history with Jordan and the very complimentary relationship they developed with the family, I believe the Sox have a better chance to sign him than just about anyone else. IIRC they were offering him 3rd round money int he 20th (IIRC?) round out of HS.

We'll see. Hey, good for us if the Sox sign him.

JohnTucker0814
06-06-2008, 12:01 PM
Sox haven't drafted anyone out of high school yet... interesting!

chaotic8512
06-06-2008, 12:02 PM
Yeah! We draft one of my fellow Seminoles... Ryan Strauss (P) is our 9th round pick! :D:

http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/strauss_ryan00.html

Britt Burns
06-06-2008, 12:02 PM
Sox just drafted Jordan Danks in the 7th round.

So basically, no 2nd round pick, and they've wasted their 6th and 7th round picks.

I think we sign Danks, for a couple of reasons:

1. He is a Junior, so what little bargaining power he has is gone after this year if he goes back to UT
2. While he didn't sign, the Sox and he said only good things about each other after we drafted him in '05
3. His brother, of course
4. The lack of a 2nd round pick frees up some $$
5. I bet you KW will take heat about the crappy 6th round pick, and signing a guy who fell will help mitigate that

Just guesses, but I think we have a better shot with him than your typical Boras client...

gogosox16
06-06-2008, 12:02 PM
10th round Sox select Stephen Sauer RHP Arizona state

balke
06-06-2008, 12:09 PM
Considering I thought the Sox were going to take Danks #1 overall regardless of his down numbers, I'm pretty excited to get him so low. And can I say that I'm baffled by the harsh criticism of the draft by some? Is the MLB anything but a crap shoot past the first 20 or so picks?

jabrch
06-06-2008, 12:21 PM
Sox just drafted Jordan Danks in the 7th round.

So basically, no 2nd round pick, and they've wasted their 6th and 7th round picks.


You sure?

Who's to say they won't be able to agree to terms with Danks? And who's to say that Williams was a waste? I trust Sox1970 is a wonderful evaluator of talent and has a strong inside connection to the Sox budgets and plans, but aren't you jumping the gun just a bit?

The Spaz
06-06-2008, 12:25 PM
After going to the players college pages I like our draft. Yeah the Williams pick makes you wonder but everything else seem good in my book. If we sign Danks that would be great.

chaotic8512
06-06-2008, 12:40 PM
Last three rounds:
11th: Charles Leesman, LHP, Xavier
http://goxavier.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/leesman_charlie00.html
12th: Steven Upchurch, RHP, Faith Academy HS (#72 in RivalsHIGH 100)
http://rivals100.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=71871&Sport=3#ticker
13th: Dexter Carter, RHP, Old Dominion
http://odusports.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/carter_dexter00.html

sox1970
06-06-2008, 12:42 PM
You sure?

Who's to say they won't be able to agree to terms with Danks? And who's to say that Williams was a waste? I trust Sox1970 is a wonderful evaluator of talent and has a strong inside connection to the Sox budgets and plans, but aren't you jumping the gun just a bit?

I have no clue about their talent level. Just sounds like KW, Jr. was highly overdrafted, and Danks will probably go back to school.

Who knows though. This is all a crapshoot anyway. The only one that better pan out is Beckham.

jabrch
06-06-2008, 12:53 PM
I have no clue about their talent level. Just sounds like KW, Jr. was highly overdrafted, and Danks will probably go back to school.

Who knows though. This is all a crapshoot anyway. The only one that better pan out is Beckham.

I have read a few experts say that KW Jr. would have been taken in the next few rounds. If Kenny knows he has him locked in, it isn't a cut and dried terrible pick.

And as far as Beckham goes, he's a crapshoot also. 1st rounders aren't locks in this game. It's not like the NFL where #8 is a bust if he isn't a pro-bowler. If Jordan Danks signs and comes, it could make the draft. Same with Upchurch.

Draft day is the worst possible day to evaluate the success of a MLB draft. In fact, it is still not a good time to evaluate last year's draft and is barely good to evaluate the 2006 draft.

sox1970
06-06-2008, 01:22 PM
I have read a few experts say that KW Jr. would have been taken in the next few rounds. If Kenny knows he has him locked in, it isn't a cut and dried terrible pick.

And as far as Beckham goes, he's a crapshoot also. 1st rounders aren't locks in this game. It's not like the NFL where #8 is a bust if he isn't a pro-bowler. If Jordan Danks signs and comes, it could make the draft. Same with Upchurch.

Draft day is the worst possible day to evaluate the success of a MLB draft. In fact, it is still not a good time to evaluate last year's draft and is barely good to evaluate the 2006 draft.

If you're looking for an argument, you're not going to find it from me. I agree with you on all of that. Just my sense that Beckham is a hell of a pick, and Danks might not sign, and KW Jr. will be a project. :shrug:

Vestigio
06-06-2008, 02:57 PM
I found it interesting that the Sox got Kyle Long, son of Howie Long. I seriously doubt, though, that he's going to sign out of high school, let alone play baseball professionally...

oeo
06-06-2008, 03:02 PM
Danks will probably go back to school.

According to this (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/06/05/0605basedraft.html), he's expected to forego his senior season.

Maybe that changes after being drafted lower than expected...? I hope they get him signed, though.

WhiteOut05
06-06-2008, 03:37 PM
What are your thoughts on the Sox draft so far?

They took KW's son yesterday.
Today they got Jordan Danks, Kyle Long (Howie Long's younger son. He's 6'8", 280, committed to play BASEBALL at Florida State)
Among others.

But overall opinions?

EMachine10
06-06-2008, 03:40 PM
http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=101995

Poof!

sox1970
06-06-2008, 03:47 PM
What are your thoughts on the Sox draft so far?

They took KW's son yesterday.
Today they got Jordan Danks, Kyle Long (Howie Long's younger son. He's 6'8", 280, committed to play BASEBALL at Florida State)
Among others.

But overall opinions?

This is a question best asked 3 years from now. Look at the 2005(!) Draft:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?franch_ID=CHW&year_ID=2005&draft_type=junreg

Rd 1-Lance Broadway--may be a back of the rotation starter
Rd 3-Ricky Brooks--meh
Rd 4-Chris Getz--probably a role player, although I like him as a starter
Rd 6-Aaron Cunningham--traded for Richar
Rd 7-Daniel Cortes--traded to KC for MacDougal (nice prospect for them)
Rd 8-Clayton Richard--almost pitched a complete game last night, but not a huge prospect
Rd 15-Chris Carter--traded for Carlos Quentin

I don't recognize any names past the 20th round.

SoxNation05
06-06-2008, 04:17 PM
Guess who bats last for Whichita St.? Our sixth round draft pick Kenny Williams Jr. or in other words a poor man's Jerry Owens.

chaotic8512
06-06-2008, 06:57 PM
I just got back from the FSU-Wichita St. game, and I got to see KW Jr. in action... by no means am I any sort of amateur scout, but honestly, he doesn't look too bad. Pretty decent speed (with a good lead, he scored from 1st on a deep single), average to above-average arm in left, and decent plate discipline (was noticably nervous in his first AB and K'd, but got aboard via HBP and walk). Just thought I'd share.

munchman33
06-06-2008, 07:07 PM
This is a question best asked 3 years from now. Look at the 2005(!) Draft:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?franch_ID=CHW&year_ID=2005&draft_type=junreg

Rd 1-Lance Broadway--may be a back of the rotation starter
Rd 3-Ricky Brooks--meh
Rd 4-Chris Getz--probably a role player, although I like him as a starter
Rd 6-Aaron Cunningham--traded for Richar
Rd 7-Daniel Cortes--traded to KC for MacDougal (nice prospect for them)
Rd 8-Clayton Richard--almost pitched a complete game last night, but not a huge prospect
Rd 15-Chris Carter--traded for Carlos Quentin

I don't recognize any names past the 20th round.

When all is said and done, I still think we had a pretty good year that year. :cool:

Lorenzo Barcelo
06-06-2008, 07:08 PM
This is a question best asked 3 years from now. Look at the 2005(!) Draft:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/draft/?franch_ID=CHW&year_ID=2005&draft_type=junreg

Rd 1-Lance Broadway--may be a back of the rotation starter
Rd 3-Ricky Brooks--meh
Rd 4-Chris Getz--probably a role player, although I like him as a starter
Rd 6-Aaron Cunningham--traded for Richar
Rd 7-Daniel Cortes--traded to KC for MacDougal (nice prospect for them)
Rd 8-Clayton Richard--almost pitched a complete game last night, but not a huge prospect
Rd 15-Chris Carter--traded for Carlos Quentin

I don't recognize any names past the 20th round.


Interesting link. If you look at some of the previous drafts you can tell which players actually played in the MLB. Its funny that we actually drafte d Placido Polanco, Nate Robertson (twice), Joe Borowski, Eric Gagne, and some others.

A. Cavatica
06-06-2008, 10:14 PM
What if Williams Jr. doesn't sign?

Frater Perdurabo
06-06-2008, 10:25 PM
What if Williams Jr. doesn't sign?

Kenny Sr. will take Kenny Jr. over his knee. :tongue:

102605
06-06-2008, 10:34 PM
We drafted 7 Catchers?

THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL AJ!!!!!

champagne030
06-06-2008, 11:33 PM
What if Williams Jr. doesn't sign?

It'll prove that Ken Sr. doesn't have $.50 to spend.......

jabrch
06-06-2008, 11:44 PM
According to this (http://www.statesman.com/sports/content/sports/stories/longhorns/06/05/0605basedraft.html), he's expected to forego his senior season.

Maybe that changes after being drafted lower than expected...? I hope they get him signed, though.

Obviously where he is drafted means nothing - it is what we offer him.

If Danks and Beckham both sign, it would be a nice haul - but again - no way to evaluate it for 3 years.

The Spaz
06-06-2008, 11:58 PM
According to the WhiteSox.com article of the Draft it seems the we are expected to sign Danks.

Williams felt as if the selection of Jordan Danks, in a lower round than he was originally projected, almost served the purpose of making up for the lost second-round pick to Milwaukee via the free agent signing of Scott Linebrink. John Danks, who nervously moved around the clubhouse on Thursday waiting to hear about his brother, understandably was excited to receive the news on Friday.
With the younger Danks expected to sign, it should be a true family affair in Spring Training next March.
"You know, it's just one of those things where we're happy just to get him drafted," said John Danks of his brother, who was originally drafted by the White Sox in the 19th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft. "It was a hard first day. We expected him to go higher than he did.
"Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. But in hindsight, I don't think it could have worked out any better, coming over here to the White Sox. Hopefully, he can get to the Minor Leagues and have a couple of good years and we can play together some day. He's very good. The way we're looking at it, it's a steal for the White Sox, getting him where they did."




http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2854468&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

cws05champ
06-07-2008, 12:16 AM
What if Williams Jr. doesn't sign?

I wonder what KW Jr's allowance will be?

jabrch
06-07-2008, 12:33 AM
According to the WhiteSox.com article of the Draft it seems the we are expected to sign Danks.

Williams felt as if the selection of Jordan Danks, in a lower round than he was originally projected, almost served the purpose of making up for the lost second-round pick to Milwaukee via the free agent signing of Scott Linebrink. John Danks, who nervously moved around the clubhouse on Thursday waiting to hear about his brother, understandably was excited to receive the news on Friday.
With the younger Danks expected to sign, it should be a true family affair in Spring Training next March.
"You know, it's just one of those things where we're happy just to get him drafted," said John Danks of his brother, who was originally drafted by the White Sox in the 19th round of the 2005 First-Year Player Draft. "It was a hard first day. We expected him to go higher than he did.
"Unfortunately, it didn't work out that way. But in hindsight, I don't think it could have worked out any better, coming over here to the White Sox. Hopefully, he can get to the Minor Leagues and have a couple of good years and we can play together some day. He's very good. The way we're looking at it, it's a steal for the White Sox, getting him where they did."




http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080606&content_id=2854468&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

That sounds damn promising...I hope Boras and Jordan see it the same as John does.

soxfanreggie
06-07-2008, 04:48 AM
I've spent the last 3 years watching Dubler. I was told his freshman year that he would have been a first-10 round pick by the Royals if he wouldn't have insisted on going to school. As a Redbird, I am very proud of Kevin and his accomplishments. He has improved by leaps and bounds each year on both the offensive and defensive ends. I think he has what it takes to succeed in the probs.

He is a semi-finalist for the Johnny Bench award and batted over .350 fo the Birds.

scottmt
06-07-2008, 01:12 PM
According to Keith Law on ESPN.com, Kenny Williams, Jr. was the "worst pick of the day."

ESPN.com Article (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3429315&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2***b %2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumni st%3dlaw_keith%26id%3d3429315)

DSpivack
06-07-2008, 01:33 PM
According to Keith Law on ESPN.com, Kenny Williams, Jr. was the "worst pick of the day."

ESPN.com Article (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3429315&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2***b %2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumni st%3dlaw_keith%26id%3d3429315)

I don't really pay attention to anything that idiot says.

Mr. White Sox
06-07-2008, 01:54 PM
I don't really pay attention to anything that idiot says.

Law mentioned Kenny Williams was a 5th round pick. He wasn't. He went in the 6th round (180 overall).

cws05champ
06-07-2008, 06:45 PM
According to Keith Law on ESPN.com, Kenny Williams, Jr. was the "worst pick of the day."

ESPN.com Article (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3429315&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2***b %2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumni st%3dlaw_keith%26id%3d3429315)
Keith Law just doesn't like the White Sox for some reason. That being said...he's probably right about this.

FedEx227
06-07-2008, 07:56 PM
Keith Law just doesn't like the White Sox for some reason. That being said...he's probably right about this.

Absolutely. Saw him play in high school a few times and he was probably the 5th best player on his team.

jabrch
06-07-2008, 09:00 PM
According to Keith Law on ESPN.com, Kenny Williams, Jr. was the "worst pick of the day."

ESPN.com Article (http://insider.espn.go.com/mlb/draft2008/insider/columns/story?columnist=law_keith&id=3429315&action=upsell&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2***b %2fdraft2008%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumni st%3dlaw_keith%26id%3d3429315)

According to the BBWA, Law doesn't attend enough games to hold credentials. I'll pass on his scouting reports on a college kid if he can't find the time to make it to the ballpark.

FedEx227
06-07-2008, 09:13 PM
But when nobody else (outside of a few clubs) even had him on their draft boards and we waste a 6th round pick. Ugh. Waste of a pick.

A. Cavatica
06-07-2008, 09:40 PM
It sounds like his upside is basically his Dad, and that's unlikely.

And his Dad was a pretty bad major league ballplayer.

btrain929
06-07-2008, 10:56 PM
It sounds like his upside is basically his Dad, and that's unlikely.

And his Dad was a pretty bad major league ballplayer.

It's not that his dad was bad. It's just that everybody else was taking steroids but him, so they got more PT and had better stats.

How can he compete with that?

Tragg
06-07-2008, 11:10 PM
According to the BBWA, Law doesn't attend enough games to hold credentials. I'll pass on his scouting reports on a college kid if he can't find the time to make it to the ballpark.
It's still a cheap, BS move to draft your son...and with a 5th round selection. Disappointing.

munchman33
06-07-2008, 11:16 PM
According to the BBWA, Law doesn't attend enough games to hold credentials. I'll pass on his scouting reports on a college kid if he can't find the time to make it to the ballpark.

Keith gets most of his information second hand, from a wealth of scout contacts as well as friends in many different organizations. Who cares if the opinions aren't his own? What he says is usually right because it's the general consensus amongst the top people in the talent evaluating field.