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It's Time
06-04-2008, 10:45 AM
Per ESPN 1000:o:

spawn
06-04-2008, 10:46 AM
Um...why? Long relief maybe?

D. TODD
06-04-2008, 10:46 AM
I hope it was for next to nothing. If this is the case, hell it can't hurt.

areilly
06-04-2008, 10:47 AM
Steve Southside Has Returned!!!! Hallelujah!!!

chaotic8512
06-04-2008, 10:47 AM
Minor league deal, right? Why else would we want him?

CHISOXFAN13
06-04-2008, 10:48 AM
He was just released by LA, so I'm sure it's for the prorated league minimum.

Either put him in the pen and send Wasserman down or send him to Charlotte.

It's Time
06-04-2008, 10:48 AM
One year deal.

areilly
06-04-2008, 10:50 AM
Come to think of it, his .333 average is higher than anyone on the current roster. I like this deal.

balke
06-04-2008, 10:51 AM
Wow, I love it. Coop did well with him before. I was just wondering a couple weeks ago what if Coop could get back that Cutter for Loaiza.

Even if not, that's decent security for a 1st place team who would be devastated right now if they lost a starter.

The Immigrant
06-04-2008, 10:52 AM
Coop will fix him. :cool:

doublem23
06-04-2008, 10:53 AM
http://www.califrognia.com/images/dig_em_frog.jpg
Can't get enough of those backup pitching options

Meixner007
06-04-2008, 10:53 AM
When Ozzie told Kenny he expects moves to be made, I don't think this is what he was referring to. :scratch:

None the less, in Kenny I trust. :D:

oeo
06-04-2008, 10:54 AM
I guess it can't hurt. I'm still not a big fan of the guy after some of the words he had on departure.

skottyj242
06-04-2008, 10:56 AM
That bobble-head I got at Grandstand for free is looking like a steal.

MushMouth
06-04-2008, 10:57 AM
sox fans owning 2003-era Loiza jersey's rejoice!

hi im skot
06-04-2008, 10:57 AM
http://www.califrognia.com/images/dig_em_frog.jpg
Can't get enough of those backup pitching options

You meant to use this guy:

http://www.core77.com/blog/images/sugar_bear.jpg

:cool:

I_Liked_Manuel
06-04-2008, 10:58 AM
this is unfortunate

palehozenychicty
06-04-2008, 10:58 AM
For long relief, cool. Otherwise, whatever...:scratch:

Uncle_Patrick
06-04-2008, 10:59 AM
I guess it can't hurt. I'm still not a big fan of the guy after some of the words he had on departure.

What did he say again? I know what you're talking about but I can't really remember the details.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 10:59 AM
You meant to use this guy:

http://www.core77.com/blog/images/sugar_bear.jpg

:cool:

Well... I'm an idiot.

http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/idiot-41423.jpg

areilly
06-04-2008, 11:00 AM
sox fans owning 2003-era Loiza jersey's rejoice!

Ha! My jersey t-shirt is suddenly relevant again!

:redneck

hi im skot
06-04-2008, 11:00 AM
Well... I'm an idiot.



:D:

oeo
06-04-2008, 11:00 AM
What did he say again? I know what you're talking about but I can't really remember the details.

Basically that it wasn't his fault he wasn't having a good season. He wasn't getting any run support, and it will be nice to actually get some help in New York.

He sucked balls in 2004, and came off as a real prick.

Over By There
06-04-2008, 11:02 AM
Minor league contract? I have to think this is just insurance.

Uncle_Patrick
06-04-2008, 11:02 AM
Basically that it wasn't his fault he wasn't having a good season. He wasn't getting any run support, and it will be nice to actually get some help in New York.

He sucked balls in 2004, and came off as a real prick.

Ah, yes, I remember now. I also recall one of the announcers for the Yankees talking about how the Yankees really got the best of that deal.:D:

It's Time
06-04-2008, 11:02 AM
:hawk
"Where is he going to play?"

Beer Can Chicken
06-04-2008, 11:03 AM
Maybe they'll turn him into the next Rick Ankiel?

Jaffar
06-04-2008, 11:03 AM
sox fans owning 2003-era Loiza jersey's rejoice!

I was going to post this, time to break out my Loaiza All Star JERSEY!!!

doublem23
06-04-2008, 11:04 AM
Ah, yes, I remember now. I also recall one of the announcers for the Yankees talking about how the Yankees really got the best of that deal.:D:

IIRC, Joe Torre picked him for the AL All-Star team when he was only questionably deserving, and then when the Sox dumped him for Contreras, the New York media was gloating how they landed an "All-Star pitcher" for the useless Count.

That deal... Sort of worked out for us. :cool:

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 11:07 AM
I think he's worth a try in Charlotte. I do like the idea of him working some long relief or a spot start if needed.

MushMouth
06-04-2008, 11:11 AM
Pure speculation, but they might want him to spot start for Contreras at some point, just to keep his innings down. Who knows, but its fine as long as he spends most of the year in Charlotte.

BRDSR
06-04-2008, 11:13 AM
sox fans owning 2003-era Loiza jersey's rejoice!

Actually, Sox fans who own a Loiza jersey got seriously ripped off.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 11:17 AM
Actually, Sox fans who own a Loiza jersey got seriously ripped off.

No kidding!

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/photo/photogallery/season_2003/0710/10.jpg

I want Mags back
06-04-2008, 11:20 AM
sox fans owning 2003-era Loiza jersey's rejoice!

I have the 2003 ASG Work-out day jersey. I'm excited to break it out again.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 11:21 AM
Any chance the Sox will get David Wells again so I can wear my Sox jersey shirt again?

It's Time
06-04-2008, 11:22 AM
Pending a physical, he will be used in long relief per Bruce Levine.

The Dude
06-04-2008, 11:24 AM
Actually, Sox fans who own a Loiza jersey got seriously ripped off.

And he is probably the MOST misspelled Sox player in the history of WSI posters! :cheers: to more misspellings to come when Loaiza turns out to be the savior of the team!:redneck

balke
06-04-2008, 11:26 AM
Pending a physical, he will be used in long relief per Bruce Levine.

Does this mean Wasserman's days are numbered? I had faith he might get stronger as the year went on. And on a conspiratorial note, could this mean a player will be traded and Masset may be packaged? As I understand it Masset is our long relief guy.

oeo
06-04-2008, 11:28 AM
Does this mean Wasserman's days are numbered? I had faith he might get stronger as the year went on.

It's Bruce Levine, take it with a grain of salt.

Wassermann is probably better than Loaiza at this point.

At least I hope he's just insurance in Charlotte...

PatK
06-04-2008, 11:29 AM
I see nothing on the MLB or Sox websites yet.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 11:30 AM
And he is probably the MOST misspelled Sox player in the history of WSI posters! :cheers: to more misspellings to come when Loaiza turns out to be the savior of the team!:redneck

He probably has the lead, however a close second was Jose Valentine. Lately I've seen a lot of people misspell Alexei's last name. It's Ramirez not Ramierz.

Anyway, I like the idea of Loaiza coming out of the bullpen. If he can regain his 2003 form then an already good bullpen just got better.

spawn
06-04-2008, 11:31 AM
And he is probably the MOST misspelled Sox player in the history of WSI posters!

:vazquez:
"I beg to differ."

fquaye149
06-04-2008, 11:32 AM
IIRC, Joe Torre picked him for the AL All-Star team when he was only questionably deserving, and then when the Sox dumped him for Contreras, the New York media was gloating how they landed an "All-Star pitcher" for the useless Count.

That deal... Sort of worked out for us. :cool:

Sure...in 2005...but now we're burdened with Contreras's albatross of a contract while he...well..pitches well...but he's probably 40! [/some douche]

fquaye149
06-04-2008, 11:33 AM
one thing that is pretty cool about this deal is he and paulie can have a "who's more balding" contest

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 11:34 AM
It's Bruce Levine, take it with a grain of salt.

Wassermann is probably better than Loaiza at this point.

At least I hope he's just insurance in Charlotte...

Wasserman hasn't been much better than Mike MacDougal was this year. Don't get me wrong, he was great last year and we all love his story of getting signed at a tryout after being a knife salesman. But he is not getting it done this year. I guess I should give him credit for lowering his ERA to 14.85 in his last outing.

oeo
06-04-2008, 11:36 AM
Wasserman hasn't been much better than Mike MacDougal was this year. Don't get me wrong, he was great last year and we all love his story of getting signed at a tryout after being a knife salesman. But he is not getting it done this year. I guess I should give him credit for lowering his ERA to 14.85 in his last outing.

He's had a rough start, yes, but that doesn't mean Loaiza is any better.

Sockinchisox
06-04-2008, 11:37 AM
So, Masset moves into the right handed specialist role?

kninchicago
06-04-2008, 11:38 AM
:vazquez:
"I beg to differ."

I'm horrible with his name. I always remember it the wrong way. Yet any of the more complicated ones, I'm golden.

oh well--none of my friends can spell my name either (nor can my coworkers) and it's not the end of the world. Just because you can't spell doesn't make you a bad fan imo.

Still no confirmation on this, eh?

beasly213
06-04-2008, 11:39 AM
Ha. Loazia. Hilarious.

Oh well at least it appears the Sox got him for next to nothing. He can be used to eat up some innings in blow out games, and spot start if needed.

Plus he'll be used as insurance policy ( a pretty bad insurance policy anyway) in case a starter goes down.

Like others have said though this is Bruce Lavine. This is the same guy that basically swore on his life that Soriano to the White Sox was a done deal a few years ago. :scratch:

Sockinchisox
06-04-2008, 11:41 AM
He's not much better but Cowley is saying they're finalizing a deal with him as well.

oeo
06-04-2008, 11:43 AM
Like others have said though this is Bruce Lavine. This is the same guy that basically swore on his life that Soriano to the White Sox was a done deal a few years ago. :scratch:

This is quite a bit different than that.

He's not much better but Cowley is saying they're finalizing a deal with him as well.

I'm mostly questioning Levine's speculation that he will be in a long relief role, not so much the deal itself.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 11:44 AM
Sure...in 2005...but now we're burdened with Contreras's albatross of a contract while he...well..pitches well...but he's probably 40! [/some douche]

Yeah, they won the World Series in 2005, but think of how good they could be now if they had built for the future then instead of going for it. [/same douche]

doublem23
06-04-2008, 11:45 AM
Plus he'll be used as insurance policy ( a pretty bad insurance policy anyway) in case a starter goes down.


What's our insurance policy now? Lance Broadway? Tomo Ohka? Loaiza can't be that much worse, can he?

whitem0nkey
06-04-2008, 11:46 AM
one thing that is pretty cool about this deal is he and paulie can have a "who's more balding" contest

Hey Hey
:happyguy:

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 11:48 AM
He's had a rough start, yes, but that doesn't mean Loaiza is any better.

That remains to be seen.

MushMouth
06-04-2008, 11:49 AM
God, yeah, I always misspell his name

voodoochile
06-04-2008, 11:55 AM
What's our insurance policy now? Lance Broadway? Tomo Ohka? Loaiza can't be that much worse, can he?

He had a 1.21 WHIP for the Angels. That's not horrible. Masset is showing that he can be more than a long relief man, so Wasserman can go back to the minors and Loaiza can take over long relief. Or Masset can go back to the minors and get stretched out to be a starter and work on his pitches so he can be more valuable for the Sox down the road.

In no way does this weaken the team and as has been pointed out, nice to have some kind of backup plan.

downstairs
06-04-2008, 12:00 PM
I'm surprised the Yankees didn't pick him up, what with them platooning little leaguers in last night after their main reliever started the game and blew chunks.

Cheap insurance policies are just that. And I think a lot of fans like him. Good move at best, irrelevant at worst. Low risk, high potential.

Sockinchisox
06-04-2008, 12:00 PM
He had a 1.21 WHIP for the Dodgers. That's not horrible. Masset is showing that he can be more than a long relief man, so Wasserman can go back to the minors and Loaiza can take over long relief. Or Masset can go back to the minors and get stretched out to be a starter and work on his pitches so he can be more valuable for the Sox down the road.

In no way does this weaken the team and as has been pointed out, nice to have some kind of backup plan.

Fixed it.

102605
06-04-2008, 12:00 PM
KW buying insurance. Nothing else to see here. Hey Loaiza did well here in the past.

gobears1987
06-04-2008, 12:01 PM
I heard a rumor that Carl Everett and Roberto Alomar were available.:redneck

soxpride724
06-04-2008, 12:03 PM
This move dosen't hurt the current roster, dosen't make it any worse either. I like it, and hope Esteban will do well, I always liked him when he was here despite his unkind words with his departure.

KenBerryGrab
06-04-2008, 12:04 PM
I heard a rumor that Carl Everett and Roberto Alomar were available.:redneck
http://imagesource.allposters.com/images/pic/PHO/AAGP113~Carl-Everett-2005-Studio-Plus-Posters.jpg

You know you want the Truthosaurus back on patrol!

bifmccreary
06-04-2008, 12:05 PM
Maybe he will be part of a trade with Oakland for Gio? :wink:

beasly213
06-04-2008, 12:06 PM
I heard a rumor that Carl Everett and Roberto Alomar were available.:redneck

You better hope that Kenny doesn't hear that same rumor. :o:

CWSpalehoseCWS
06-04-2008, 12:08 PM
If he's used in long relief I guess it doesn't hurt. Guess this means Wassermann's stint is coming to an end.

fquaye149
06-04-2008, 12:13 PM
He had a 1.21 WHIP for the Angels. That's not horrible. Masset is showing that he can be more than a long relief man, so Wasserman can go back to the minors and Loaiza can take over long relief. Or Masset can go back to the minors and get stretched out to be a starter and work on his pitches so he can be more valuable for the Sox down the road.

In no way does this weaken the team and as has been pointed out, nice to have some kind of backup plan.

Listen to your friend Voodoo, he's a cool man

oeo
06-04-2008, 12:16 PM
He had a 1.21 WHIP for the Angels. That's not horrible. Masset is showing that he can be more than a long relief man, so Wasserman can go back to the minors and Loaiza can take over long relief. Or Masset can go back to the minors and get stretched out to be a starter and work on his pitches so he can be more valuable for the Sox down the road.

In no way does this weaken the team and as has been pointed out, nice to have some kind of backup plan.

Masset is out of options, so he's here for the long haul.

Loaiza has been pretty crappy for the past couple of years...there's nothing there that excites me. Maybe we get lucky since he hasn't been in the AL for awhile, but that's about it.

Then again, if our pitching staff keeps pitching like it is, we won't need a long reliever, anyway. He can be our garbage-time man. If he sees any extended time, I don't think it will be pretty.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 12:17 PM
You better hope that Kenny doesn't hear that same rumor. :o:

Billy Beane doesn't trade up in age!

Red Barchetta
06-04-2008, 12:20 PM
Can he hit? :scratch:

sox1970
06-04-2008, 12:26 PM
I really like this move. One of the moves I wanted them to make before the deadline was a veteran pitcher that could spot start and pitch in long relief. Check it off the list.

It's a low risk move that could really pay off.

whitesox901
06-04-2008, 12:27 PM
Does this mean that there no chance Ohka will get called up?

MsSoxVixen22
06-04-2008, 12:38 PM
I didn't envision us getting another pitcher but ok. I'm surprised at the Loaiza signing but hopefully it will turn out to be a good move. He pitched well when he was w/the Sox before so maybe he will again. Oh, and White Sox Wednesday. :cool:

bryPt
06-04-2008, 12:44 PM
So this is the move that Ozzie demanded to fix out slumping offense?

:scratch:

:D:

TDog
06-04-2008, 12:53 PM
If he's used in long relief I guess it doesn't hurt. Guess this means Wassermann's stint is coming to an end.

Wasserman is the last guy in the bullpen. His last outing was three innings against the Indians in a lost cause. He did his job by saving the people ahead of him in the bullpen, but it was the only outing he has had this season where he has pitched at least one inning and not surrendered an earned run.

Loaiza pitched in seven games for the Dodgers, starting three of them, finishing two of them and pitching in the middle of two more. He was only scored in his first inning in one the outings, which was a start. I haven't seen Loaiza pitch this season, but watching Wasserman pitch (regardless of his ERA), did not inspire confidence.

Loaiza may be at best a three-inning pitcher at this point. If he can be effective in relief, I'm not sure why the Dodgers dumped him, but I don't know their situation. Even so, having two pitchers who the Sox can put in the game in long relief when they are behind gives the team more flexibility. If Loaiza is the last guy in the bullpen in a long extra-inning game, he will probably be better than the last guy in the opposition's bullpen and certainly a better option than Wasserman.

If the Sox need a spot starter, he could be a better option than Masset. It is even possible that with a well-rested bullpen, Loaiza and Masset could combine for seven or eight innings when a spot start is needed before turning it over to the late relievers. (I saw where the Padres started Ledezma last night. I thought that had to be some sort of emergency, but he apparently is in the starting rotation, despite averaging only about four innings per start.)

I don't see what the problem is with the Sox signing Loaiza if he replaces Wasserman. It isn't like Wasserman was actually pitching better than MacDougal anyway.

WhiteSox5187
06-04-2008, 12:58 PM
Hmmm...I know he's just insurance, but do we really need insurance for the rotation? Could he take Wassermann's place? Especially seeing as how Wassermann usually only faces one batter an inning?

eriqjaffe
06-04-2008, 12:59 PM
:vazquez:
"I beg to differ."

:burly
"Yeah, me too."

turners56
06-04-2008, 01:01 PM
Lol why do we need him again?

White City
06-04-2008, 01:03 PM
You heard it here first (and probably last):

Danks-Fields-Anderson for Ichiro.

Esteban and Nick duke it out for the 5 spot in the rotation.

New batting order:

Ichiro CF
Cabrera SS
Quentin RF
Konerko 1B
Dye DH
Swisher LF
AJ C
Crede 3B
Ramirez 2B

Two of Dye, Swish and Thome play each night.

Hall, Uribe, Ozuna and Owens on the bench.

What do you think?

sox1970
06-04-2008, 01:08 PM
I don't think they brought in Loaiza to trade someone else. It's just to bring another guy to pitch more innings.

Remember that Floyd and Danks have never pitched over 30 starts in a season. We have no idea if they'll hit the wall in August and September. At least Loaiza brings a veteran arm in case someone goes down.

PicktoCLick72
06-04-2008, 01:09 PM
You heard it here first (and probably last):

Danks-Fields-Anderson for Ichiro.

Esteban and Nick duke it out for the 5 spot in the rotation.

New batting order:

Ichiro CF
Cabrera SS
Quentin RF
Konerko 1B
Dye DH
Swisher LF
AJ C
Crede 3B
Ramirez 2B

Two of Dye, Swish and Thome play each night.

Hall, Uribe, Ozuna and Owens on the bench.

What do you think?

First, that would not get us Ichiro. Second, why would we want to give up a good part of the youth this organization has. You are not credited with any wins for having the oldest team in baseball.

spawn
06-04-2008, 01:11 PM
You heard it here first (and probably last):

Danks-Fields-Anderson for Ichiro.

Esteban and Nick duke it out for the 5 spot in the rotation.

New batting order:

Ichiro CF
Cabrera SS
Quentin RF
Konerko 1B
Dye DH
Swisher LF
AJ C
Crede 3B
Ramirez 2B

Two of Dye, Swish and Thome play each night.

Hall, Uribe, Ozuna and Owens on the bench.

What do you think?
Why the hell would we trade a pitcher coming into his own this season (Danks) and then rely on a pitcher past his prime (Loaiza) and someone yet to prove himself as a full time starter? Whatever you're smoking, give me some.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 01:13 PM
I don't think they brought in Loaiza to trade someone else. It's just to bring another guy to pitch more innings.

Remember that Floyd and Danks have never pitched over 30 starts in a season. We have no idea if they'll hit the wall in August and September. At least Loaiza brings a veteran arm in case someone goes down.

Bingo! On top of that it's nice to have a veteran who can give you a spot start from time to time in case of a doubleheader. As the saying goes around here "Coop can fix him"

White City
06-04-2008, 01:14 PM
First, that would not get us Ichiro. Second, why would we want to give up a good part of the youth this organization has. You are not credited with any wins for having the oldest team in baseball.

I was presuming that Kenny would sell out the near-term future to take advantage of this season. We won it all in '05 thanks to a lot of career years in the pitching staff. We're seeing something similar this year, and the division is bad; it would be a shame to waste it. Getting Ichiro -- or someone else that can play CF or 2B and lead off -- would fix the Pods piece that is missing from that '05 equation. Naturally, Kenny would have to believe that either Esteban or Nick can do a plus job at the 5 spot, but remember, you only need 4 in the postseason.

turners56
06-04-2008, 01:14 PM
You heard it here first (and probably last):

Danks-Fields-Anderson for Ichiro.

Esteban and Nick duke it out for the 5 spot in the rotation.

New batting order:

Ichiro CF
Cabrera SS
Quentin RF
Konerko 1B
Dye DH
Swisher LF
AJ C
Crede 3B
Ramirez 2B

Two of Dye, Swish and Thome play each night.

Hall, Uribe, Ozuna and Owens on the bench.

What do you think?

1. Ichiro IS the Seattle Mariners, if they get rid of him, watch the attendance just plumit.
2. They already have Adrian Beltre and his big contract to deal with, Fields isn't the best option for them.
3. They have a solid pitching staff (for the most part) with Hernandez and Bedard, they don't really need John Danks.
4. Brian Anderson? Eh, at least the hits well in Safeco.
5. Ichiro is in his mid-30s.

I would love to have him for a year or two at a good price and without much to give up, but as to what you're putting on the table, I wouldn't be real ecstatic about it.

White City
06-04-2008, 01:18 PM
Why the hell would we trade a pitcher coming into his own this season (Danks) and then rely on a pitcher past his prime (Loaiza) and someone yet to prove himself as a full time starter? Whatever you're smoking, give me some.

He would only do it if:
1) He felt this year's window was too important to miss (above-average pitching results, weak division);
2) He felt the offense had to be fixed to win the division/ advance in the postseason;
3) He felt that he had enough in Loazia/Masset to soften the blow of losing Danks.

I agree it isn't the best plan if Kenny is more focused on winning 90 games in each of the next three seasons and is worried about our depleted farm system. But if he's willing to gamble it all for this year, something like this might be a consideration.

palehozenychicty
06-04-2008, 01:19 PM
You heard it here first (and probably last):

Danks-Fields-Anderson for Ichiro.

Esteban and Nick duke it out for the 5 spot in the rotation.

New batting order:

Ichiro CF
Cabrera SS
Quentin RF
Konerko 1B
Dye DH
Swisher LF
AJ C
Crede 3B
Ramirez 2B

Two of Dye, Swish and Thome play each night.

Hall, Uribe, Ozuna and Owens on the bench.

What do you think?

This isn't implied teal?

fquaye149
06-04-2008, 01:21 PM
Seattle wouldn't trade Ichiro

Soxman219
06-04-2008, 01:25 PM
Personally, I think this helps the Sox in the long run. That's all I can really say.

:cool:

Tekijawa
06-04-2008, 01:27 PM
6-man rotation? Hawk won't shut up about the days when there were only 4-Man rotation... this would make his stories a lot less borring. I say that they bring in Yaz as batting coach!

JUribe1989
06-04-2008, 01:32 PM
I'm so mad I got rid of all my Loaiza merch.

DAMN!

Welcome back Esteban!

jdm2662
06-04-2008, 01:41 PM
6-man rotation? Hawk won't shut up about the days when there were only 4-Man rotation... this would make his stories a lot less borring. I say that they bring in Yaz as batting coach!

The mute button is your friend during Sox telecasts.

Tragg
06-04-2008, 01:46 PM
I don't see how he adds anything to our staff...if we need another pitcher, try one of the guys in AAA.
But as an orgainzational minor leaguer, it's fine.

Carolina Kenny
06-04-2008, 01:48 PM
We have had great luck with players named Esteban in the past.

DSpivack
06-04-2008, 01:49 PM
We have had great luck with players named Esteban in the past.

Who besides Loaiza?

I don't think we're signing Esteban Yan or Esteban Beltre.

It's Time
06-04-2008, 01:51 PM
The mute button is your friend during Sox telecasts.

:hawk
"Back in my day, 4 man rotations were the be all end all. As far as Esteban goes, well, this is just Kenny showing how shrewd he is".

Chrisaway
06-04-2008, 01:52 PM
http://www.doney.net/aroundaz/celebrity/DA_esteban.jpg
Hes baaaaack!

Carolina Kenny
06-04-2008, 01:54 PM
Most similair player according to Baseball Reference is:

JEFF SUPPAN!!!

Konerko05
06-04-2008, 01:55 PM
If he can regain his 2003 form then an already good bullpen just got better.

If he regained his 2003 form, he would be the ace of our staff. Let's not hold our breath on that one.

I don't think this a bad move. Let's hope he can be solid as a long reliever/spot starter.

russ99
06-04-2008, 01:56 PM
While I don't know how much Loaiza has left in the tank, he may be an improvement over Wassermann, who the league has seemed to figure out this season.

Can't hurt, let's see what he can do.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 02:01 PM
If he regained his 2003 form, he would be the ace of our staff. Let's not hold our breath on that one.

I don't think this a bad move. Let's hope he can be solid as a long reliever/spot starter.

True, I'd be happy if he can regain half of his form from '03. Still though, it didn't cost the Sox a ton and who knows if he still has one good season left in him. I like this gamble :thumbsup:

hose
06-04-2008, 02:03 PM
I was going to post this, time to break out my Loaiza All Star JERSEY!!!


:D:

btrain929
06-04-2008, 02:06 PM
I was just in the car for an hour, and heard nothing from ESPN1000 or 670. Any updates with this?

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 02:11 PM
I was just in the car for an hour, and heard nothing from ESPN1000 or 670. Any updates with this?

Funny you say that. I've tried looking to see if there is any article or anything. At this moment the White Sox website has nothing on this matter.

turners56
06-04-2008, 02:15 PM
True, I'd be happy if he can regain half of his form from '03. Still though, it didn't cost the Sox a ton and who knows if he still has one good season left in him. I like this gamble :thumbsup:

To me, I really don't think Esteban lost much of anything in 2004, it was the league catching up with that cutter of his he introduced back in 03 that made him so good. Basically, 03 was an example of a mediocre pitcher crafting a great pitch in one season and succeeding with it.

turners56
06-04-2008, 02:16 PM
Funny you say that. I've tried looking to see if there is any article or anything. At this moment the White Sox website has nothing on this matter.

What if this was all a lie? xD

Konerko05
06-04-2008, 02:21 PM
To me, I really don't think Esteban lost much of anything in 2004, it was the league catching up with that cutter of his he introduced back in 03 that made him so good. Basically, 03 was an example of a mediocre pitcher crafting a great pitch in one season and succeeding with it.

That is not true. His "stuff" was significantly worse from 2003 to 2004, including a decrease in velocity.

For some reason 2003 was the year everything came together for him.. physically and mentally. I mean his numbers are basically comparable to Prior that year.

Tekijawa
06-04-2008, 02:21 PM
What if this was all a lie? xD

That would be a first here!

scarsofthumper
06-04-2008, 02:22 PM
Whoever said to send down Wassermann and use Loaiza, *high five*

It's Time
06-04-2008, 02:23 PM
ESPN reported it 3 times (Brian Dulgan) between 11-12 today. Here is a link to Cowley's blog as well.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/whitesox/

turners56
06-04-2008, 02:23 PM
That is not true. His "stuff" was significantly worse from 2003 to 2004, including a decrease in velocity.

For some reason 2003 was the year everything came together for him.. physically and mentally. I mean his numbers are basically comparable to Prior that year.

The lack of stuff certainly doesn't help, but it might also have to do with the league getting adjusted to that cutter of his.

SoxSpeed22
06-04-2008, 02:24 PM
Let's see what happens.

LoveYourSuit
06-04-2008, 02:34 PM
What a waste.

The Alomar brothers and Jurasic Everett are now sitting next to their phones too.

serena
06-04-2008, 02:43 PM
I like it. Low-risk, maybe a reward in the offing.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-04-2008, 02:44 PM
What a waste.

The Alomar brothers and Jurasic Everett are now sitting next to their phones too.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1402681.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F10613297C25309BB74C 5A5397277B4DC33E

Roberto: Sandy, are you sure the phone is not off the hook?

Sandy: For the 17th time YES! I assure you the phone is not off the hook. Now let's stand here in these uniforms and maybe then Kenny Williams will remember how good we used to be and offer us a contract!

Roberto: You think he'll fall for it?

Sandy: It worked for us two times before didn't it?

jabrch
06-04-2008, 02:45 PM
Who besides Loaiza?

I don't think we're signing Esteban Yan or Esteban Beltre.


Esteban Piedra is doing a good job doing Radio.

voodoochile
06-04-2008, 02:45 PM
What a waste.

The Alomar brothers and Jurasic Everett are now sitting next to their phones too.

A waste of what? $400K?

Honestly, how about a little perspective. This costs the Sox nothing.

mccoydp
06-04-2008, 02:46 PM
Esteban,

Arive alive! Don't drink and drive!

:redneck

LoveYourSuit
06-04-2008, 02:54 PM
A waste of what? $400K?

Honestly, how about a little perspective. This costs the Sox nothing.


It's costing the Sox value in a roster spot. The guy has never been a long reliever and now we will try him out as one .... in the middle of a pennant race.

The last thing our 2 young starters (Danks and Floyd) need is a distraction of looking over their shoulder at a #6 starter waiting to take their job.

CHIsoxNation
06-04-2008, 03:05 PM
It's costing the Sox value in a roster spot. The guy has never been a long reliever and now we will try him out as one .... in the middle of a pennant race.

The last thing our 2 young starters (Danks and Floyd) need is a distraction of looking over their shoulder at a #6 starter waiting to take their job.


I wouldn't say we're particularly in a pennant race right now seeing as it's only June 4th. If this were late August or September then I might have more of an issue with this. But I don't see the harm in bringing in another veteran arm for the pen, if that is indeed the logic here. If it doesn't pan out, well at least it's only June and we have plenty of time to make a move or call up someone else.

As far as Danks and Floyd are concerned, I don't think they have to worry about Loaiza taking their spots unless they completely bomb or get hurt. I think the days of Loaiza being depended on every 5th day for 6-7 innings are long gone.

Tekijawa
06-04-2008, 03:07 PM
The last thing our 2 young starters (Danks and Floyd) need is a distraction of looking over their shoulder at a #6 starter waiting to take their job.
Maybe Buehrle Does though!

champagne030
06-04-2008, 03:13 PM
A waste of what? $400K?

Honestly, how about a little perspective. This costs the Sox nothing.

I'm all for it as long as the Sox take the same attitude in the draft and take the best player and not the one who'll sign the cheapest.

Daver
06-04-2008, 03:15 PM
I'm all for it as long as the Sox take the same attitude in the draft and take the best player and not the one who'll sign the cheapest.

Don't hold your breath waiting for that to happen.

whitesox901
06-04-2008, 03:21 PM
sounds good, veteran for the stretch for a spot start if needed

Foulke You
06-04-2008, 03:33 PM
I like this move. You can never ever have too much pitching. Another veteran for the bullpen to replace the struggling Wasserman sounds great. Loaiza can also eat up innings for us during blowout games and make a spot start for double headers. Gives us more experience, more pitching depth, and gives Ozzie more flexibility. If it doesn't work out, you just cut him loose and bring up Russell or Wasserman.

soxtalker
06-04-2008, 04:00 PM
I don't know what it costs, though it probably is not very much (by baseball standards). I assume the KW saw something that led him to believe that EL might be able to contribute. The thing is that KW probably does need to find some insurance out there. It's a long season, and we don't exactly have a lot of players pushing up from the minors. I'm not sure if the comparison to the Alomar's or Everett is quite appropriate. IIRC, we pretty much had to play those guys, even when they were bad. That might be the case here if we get a rash of injuries, but, then again, that'll mean we have even bigger problems.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 04:06 PM
It's costing the Sox value in a roster spot. The guy has never been a long reliever and now we will try him out as one .... in the middle of a pennant race.

The last thing our 2 young starters (Danks and Floyd) need is a distraction of looking over their shoulder at a #6 starter waiting to take their job.

This has to be a joke, right? Valuable roster spot? They're so valuable, we have 2 currently unused, and others currently occupied by studs like Dewon Day, Andrew Sisco, Lucas Harrell, and Mike MacDougal. Even if at worst Loaiza cost one of these guys their job, then he's worth the investment.

Danks and Floyd have arguably been the best two starters for the Sox all season long... If they're really going to **** their pants because the Sox signed a 36-year-old pitcher for the league minimum who was just DFA'd, then this will be a valuable learning experience.

btrain929
06-04-2008, 04:09 PM
This has to be a joke, right? Valuable roster spot? They're so valuable, we have 2 currently unused, and others currently occupied by studs like Dewon Day, Andrew Sisco, Lucas Harrell, and Mike MacDougal. Even if at worst Loaiza cost one of these guys their job, then he's worth the investment.

Danks and Floyd have arguably been the best two starters for the Sox all season long... If they're really going to **** their pants because the Sox signed a 36-year-old pitcher for the league minimum who was just DFA'd, then this will be a valuable learning experience.

I think it might give them even more motivation later on. If they find themselves in July/August fatiguing in the 4-5th inning, they know a series of bad starts and they'll get yanked because another man is waiting and wanting that shot.

TDog
06-04-2008, 04:21 PM
Who besides Loaiza?

I don't think we're signing Esteban Yan or Esteban Beltre.

In his natiive Baja California, Esteban Loaiza is known as Esteban Veyna.

pmck003
06-04-2008, 04:31 PM
It's costing the Sox value in a roster spot. The guy has never been a long reliever and now we will try him out as one .... in the middle of a pennant race.

The last thing our 2 young starters (Danks and Floyd) need is a distraction of looking over their shoulder at a #6 starter waiting to take their job.

If this freaks them out, what about facing the Red Sox in the Playoffs?

LoveYourSuit
06-04-2008, 04:33 PM
This has to be a joke, right? Valuable roster spot? They're so valuable, we have 2 currently unused, and others currently occupied by studs like Dewon Day, Andrew Sisco, Lucas Harrell, and Mike MacDougal. Even if at worst Loaiza cost one of these guys their job, then he's worth the investment.

Danks and Floyd have arguably been the best two starters for the Sox all season long... If they're really going to **** their pants because the Sox signed a 36-year-old pitcher for the league minimum who was just DFA'd, then this will be a valuable learning experience.


There is no joke here. I'm talking about the 25 man roster. Why expirement with Loaiza as a long reliever is my point. Our starters are so good we can't even get enough work for Masset right now.

What we need is Wasserman to step up and become the go to guy vs a tough RH out (just one batter man like Logan).

HangWiffum
06-04-2008, 04:44 PM
Come to think of it, his .333 average is higher than anyone on the current roster. I like this deal.


POST OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Foulke You
06-04-2008, 05:16 PM
There is no joke here. I'm talking about the 25 man roster. Why expirement with Loaiza as a long reliever is my point. Our starters are so good we can't even get enough work for Masset right now.

What we need is Wasserman to step up and become the go to guy vs a tough RH out (just one batter man like Logan).
Just because Loaiza has been christened as a "long man" doesn't mean Ozzie can't go to him in a game to get a tough right handed hitter out when he needs to.

scarsofthumper
06-04-2008, 05:19 PM
Looks like if you have MLB Team Alerts you just got the message, that they signed Loaiza and optioned Ehren Wassermann to Charlotte.

TDog
06-04-2008, 05:22 PM
POST OF THE DAY!!!!!!!!!!!!


If you don't mind people getting the facts wrong. Mark Buehrle has a batting average of .333, the same as Loaiza, and he is second on the team in hitting to Toby Hall.

btrain929
06-04-2008, 05:33 PM
Looks like if you have MLB Team Alerts you just got the message, that they signed Loaiza and optioned Ehren Wassermann to Charlotte.

Yep. It's official on the Sox site right now.

Chicken Dinner
06-04-2008, 05:36 PM
Should be great trade bait at the deadline. Everyone is always looking for pitching.

PennStater98r
06-04-2008, 05:37 PM
Is he going to bat clean-up?

Foulke You
06-04-2008, 05:45 PM
I was glancing at Loaiza's career splits and noticed that he is a career 19W-6L at US Cellular Field. Of course, a bunch of those probably happened in '03.

I'm also looking forward to the return of using the nicknames "Zesty Esty" and "E-Lo" on this board.:tongue:

JB98
06-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Should be great trade bait at the deadline. Everyone is always looking for pitching.

I doubt it. If he pitches well, he can be a swingman for the Sox for the rest of the season. If he sucks, the Sox will cut him.

I can't see anyone really coveting Loaiza at the trade deadline. If they do, that means he's pitching well. In that case, the Sox should hold on to him.

Frontman
06-04-2008, 05:47 PM
Unless all the talk about Mark Buehrle being hurt has something to it; I don't understand this pickup at all.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 05:49 PM
Unless all the talk about Mark Buehrle being hurt has something to it; I don't understand this pickup at all.

What part of Ehren Wassermann sucks doesn't anyone understand?

Frontman
06-04-2008, 05:51 PM
What part of Ehren Wassermann sucks doesn't anyone understand?

Wassermann was long relief? Last time I checked, that job was Masset's; not Ehren's.

JB98
06-04-2008, 05:52 PM
Unless all the talk about Mark Buehrle being hurt has something to it; I don't understand this pickup at all.

Insurance. I don't think anyone on our staff is injured right now. But what if someone does get hurt? Then what?

It's an insurance-type move, and it costs the Sox very little.

Frontman
06-04-2008, 05:53 PM
Insurance. I don't think anyone on our staff is injured right now. But what if someone does get hurt? Then what?

It's an insurance-type move, and it costs the Sox very little.

I guess. How long has he been available, or did he just become available this week and the Sox were the first to move on him?

voodoochile
06-04-2008, 05:54 PM
Insurance. I don't think anyone on our staff is injured right now. But what if someone does get hurt? Then what?

It's an insurance-type move, and it costs the Sox very little.

Or what if Danks or Floyd hits the wall in August like Danks did last year. It would be great to have someone to turn to to give those guys a few starts off.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 05:55 PM
Wassermann was long relief? Last time I checked, that job was Masset's; not Ehren's.

Masset becomes the ROOGY (where he might be more valuable, since he's pitching well and would get the ball more often), Loaiza is long relief/spot starter/insurance starter if someone goes down.

JB98
06-04-2008, 05:55 PM
I guess. How long has he been available, or did he just become available this week and the Sox were the first to move on him?

He was DFA on May 25.

doublem23
06-04-2008, 05:55 PM
Or what if Danks or Floyd hits the wall in August like Danks did last year. It would be great to have someone to turn to to give those guys a few starts off.

THAT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE

Foulke You
06-04-2008, 05:57 PM
Wassermann was long relief? Last time I checked, that job was Masset's; not Ehren's.
As I said earlier in this thread. There isn't some sort of barrier that is going to stop Ozzie from using Loaiza to get a couple of right handers out if necessary just because he is the default "long man". I see Loaiza being used in the role similar to Sean Lowe had in 2000. Lowe was used primarily as long relief and spot starter but Manuel would also call upon him to get some right handers out if the other setup men had logged too many innings.

JB98
06-04-2008, 06:01 PM
As I said earlier in this thread. There isn't some sort of barrier that is going to stop Ozzie from using Loaiza to get a couple of right handers out if necessary just because he is the default "long man". I see Loaiza being used in the role similar to Sean Lowe had in 2000. Lowe was used primarily as long relief and spot starter but Manuel would also call upon him to get some right handers out if the other setup men had logged too many innings.

Some numbers to support your argument:

In seven outings with the Dodgers this year, Loaiza held right-handed hitters to a .197 average. Lefties were doing significantly better, hitting .364.

Certainly, he could be used situationally against right-handed hitters.

DickAllen72
06-04-2008, 06:09 PM
Someone on another board wrote that Levine said Buehrle has had a sore shoulder and cannot start on five days anymore--he needs seven. TIFWIW.

October26
06-04-2008, 06:11 PM
Just read the news on WSI (since I no longer listen to the radio or tv or read newspapers - although I do love XM radio for the variety) that the Sox signed Loiza. Interesting move by Kenny and the Sox - unexpected, that's for sure. As a Sox fan, I'm hoping that Loiza has something left, although if the Dodgers released him, makes you wonder, huh?

Frontman
06-04-2008, 06:15 PM
He was DFA on May 25.

Then the timing makes sense. As far as Mark needing 7 days? That's another Bruce Levine-line specialty. If he was hurt, he'd sit down for a bit. There's no way the Sox would of kept a lid on that for two months.

turners56
06-04-2008, 06:17 PM
Then the timing makes sense. As far as Mark needing 7 days? That's another Bruce Levine-line specialty. If he was hurt, he'd sit down for a bit. There's no way the Sox would of kept a lid on that for two months.

Bruce Levine is a nut job. 'Nuff said. Even if Buehrle is out with an injury, Masset starts for him.

JB98
06-04-2008, 06:19 PM
Then the timing makes sense. As far as Mark needing 7 days? That's another Bruce Levine-line specialty. If he was hurt, he'd sit down for a bit. There's no way the Sox would of kept a lid on that for two months.

Levine's report sounds like bull**** to me. If Buehrle was hurt, they would shut him down and get it taken care of. They have him under contract for three more years after this. They wouldn't gamble with Mark's long-term health after the investment they have made in him.

DickAllen72
06-04-2008, 06:23 PM
Bruce Levine is a nut job. 'Nuff said. Even if Buehrle is out with an injury, Masset starts for him.
I agree on both counts.

But if the Buehrle story does turn out to be true, yes Masset would start in Mark's spot and Loaiza would take Masset's spot as long man in the pen.

champagne030
06-04-2008, 07:02 PM
Then the timing makes sense. As far as Mark needing 7 days? That's another Bruce Levine-line specialty. If he was hurt, he'd sit down for a bit. There's no way the Sox would of kept a lid on that for two months.

He was DFA on 5/25 when the Dodgers called up the #1 pitching prospect in the minor leagues. Obviously, the Dodgers didn't find any takers in those 10 days and he was released.

TommyJohn
06-04-2008, 07:41 PM
Some numbers to support your argument:

In seven outings with the Dodgers this year, Loaiza held right-handed hitters to a .197 average. Lefties were doing significantly better, hitting .364.

Certainly, he could be used situationally against right-handed hitters.

A ROOGY?

soxfanreggie
06-04-2008, 07:50 PM
This can't hurt. Hopefully he has something left to give.

ChiSox89
06-04-2008, 07:50 PM
i like the move to get loaiza. he is another veteren pitcher in the bullpen, can pitch long relief and even short relief and can probably make a spot start if needed.

Frater Perdurabo
06-04-2008, 07:58 PM
If Loaiza is better than Wassermann, this is a good move.

Given that Wassermann still will be on the 40-man roster, this is a no-lose signing.

thomas35forever
06-04-2008, 08:14 PM
Not a bad signing. If someone goes down, we can cout on him and he can start in doubleheaders. We can't rely on Masset that heavily.

WSox597
06-04-2008, 08:28 PM
Ozzie probably can't wait to trot him out to centerfield

DuckSnort
06-04-2008, 08:33 PM
Levine's "report" which wasn't really a report, was him saying he suspects some weakness in Buehrle's shoulder, and Loaiza could be used in a spot start situation if needed. It was just his speculation.

champagne030
06-04-2008, 09:24 PM
Levine's "report" which wasn't really a report, was him saying he suspects some weakness in Buehrle's shoulder, and Loaiza could be used in a spot start situation if needed. It was just his speculation.

I'm surprised Levineline was able to pry his head out of Lou's ass long enough to even make speculative report.

Soxfest
06-04-2008, 11:02 PM
I like it Wass was horrid every time he threw and Loaiza is cheap protection for the rest of 2008 in long relief or a fill in starter!

HomeFish
06-05-2008, 12:29 AM
Just got back from the game tonight. Hadn't heard the news before I got there.

I came into US Cellular at 5:30 PM tonight, walked to my seat in Section 159. I look into the bullpen expecting to see Danks, and I see this guy who looks just like Esteban Loaiza throwing in a t-shirt with Sox uniform pants. I sit there for like five minutes trying to figure out which of our relievers might look like Loazia if they grew that kind of beard before finally the guy next to me yells "is that Esteban?" to the bullpen catcher, who makes a funny face and says yes.

Esteban was pacing the bullpen nervously from the 11th inning on. Though he wasn't in uniform and apparently would have been unable to play.

EDIT: just to clarify: a guy asked the Sox bullpen coach in the 14th inning about Loaiza, and he said "I can't send him into the game". Not sure if this is a rule of some kind or if he's just not ready to pitch.

TomBradley72
06-05-2008, 12:41 AM
I don't mind the move. Wassermann needs to pitch more often to get his **** together. Looks like Masset is now the 6th inning guy, ahead of Dotel/Linebrink/Logan/Thornton which I like.

I like the fact that we're building a little bit of depth at Charlotte in case we need an arm later in the season (Wassermann, Russell, MacDougal, Broadway). There seems to be a little "where there's smoke, there's fire" emerging with Buehrle's shoulder.

Pinar_del_Rio_WS
06-05-2008, 10:36 AM
I donīt think itīs a good idea. Seem to be like the NY yankees approach to īreinforceītheir pitching staff signing aged pitchers. The tournament seem to be to long for them and when the play offs come they are tired and all we konw hwo succesful the NYY had been in the lasts Play Offs.

His numbers in the last two years are far from impresive :

ERA: 5.12, Win %: .483, WHIP: 1.407, HR per 9: 1.25

I think that he doesnīt apport anything to our bullpen

C-Dawg
06-05-2008, 10:48 AM
I came into US Cellular at 5:30 PM tonight, walked to my seat in Section 159. I look into the bullpen expecting to see Danks, and I see this guy who looks just like Esteban Loaiza throwing in a t-shirt with Sox uniform pants. I sit there for like five minutes trying to figure out which of our relievers might look like Loazia if they grew that kind of beard

What a flashback that must have been! At least it wasn't Billy Koch!

Foulke You
06-05-2008, 10:51 AM
Just got back from the game tonight. Hadn't heard the news before I got there.

I came into US Cellular at 5:30 PM tonight, walked to my seat in Section 159. I look into the bullpen expecting to see Danks, and I see this guy who looks just like Esteban Loaiza throwing in a t-shirt with Sox uniform pants. I sit there for like five minutes trying to figure out which of our relievers might look like Loazia if they grew that kind of beard before finally the guy next to me yells "is that Esteban?" to the bullpen catcher, who makes a funny face and says yes.

Esteban was pacing the bullpen nervously from the 11th inning on. Though he wasn't in uniform and apparently would have been unable to play.

EDIT: just to clarify: a guy asked the Sox bullpen coach in the 14th inning about Loaiza, and he said "I can't send him into the game". Not sure if this is a rule of some kind or if he's just not ready to pitch.
Funny story, Homefish. That must have blown your mind to see Esty there since you didn't hear about the signing going in to that game.:cool: Just to give you more information, Hawk and DJ said Loaiza hadn't pitched off a mound in almost 2 weeks so he asked the Sox for a couple days of preparation with side throwing sessions and then he would be ready to go. Last night's 15 inning affair though ALMOST got Esteban into the game anyway. (He was warming up a couple of times) We had run out of pitchers and he was the last one who wasn't a starter who could throw. There was no way Octavio was going out there for another inning.

One thing that surprised me was that Esteban was not wearing his old #21 jersey. He was wearing #48. I guess Don Cooper didn't want to give up his number? :tongue:

cwshats
06-05-2008, 11:41 AM
sox fans owning 2003-era Loiza jersey's rejoice!


There were quite a few Loiza jerseys there yesterday. I had on my autographed hat with the #21 scribled next to it. He's now #48. Hopefully he does well enough to merrit the making of jersey's (how is this spelled plural?) with the new #.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-05-2008, 12:04 PM
There were quite a few Loiza jerseys there yesterday. I had on my autographed hat with the #21 scribled next to it. He's now #48. Hopefully he does well enough to merrit the making of jersey's (how is this spelled plural?) with the new #.

Who is Loiza? :scratch:

http://mlans.dynip.com/blogpics/2003-09/2003-09-06-apphoto-thumb.jpg

eriqjaffe
06-05-2008, 12:08 PM
I wonder why Loaiza got #48? Nobody on the 40-man roster has #21...

VeeckAsInWreck
06-05-2008, 12:10 PM
I wonder why Loaiza got #48? Nobody on the 40-man roster has #21...

Coop has #21. I don't get why coaches get uniform numbers. :scratch:

Also Torii Hunter didn't wind up using the number so it was available

JB98
06-05-2008, 12:20 PM
I don't mind the move. Wassermann needs to pitch more often to get his **** together. Looks like Masset is now the 6th inning guy, ahead of Dotel/Linebrink/Logan/Thornton which I like.

I like the fact that we're building a little bit of depth at Charlotte in case we need an arm later in the season (Wassermann, Russell, MacDougal, Broadway). There seems to be a little "where there's smoke, there's fire" emerging with Buehrle's shoulder.

Here's the thing about this Buehrle stuff that I don't get: What motivation do the Sox have to "hide" an injury? Such a ploy seems stupid and pointless to me.

For the sake of argument, let's say Buehrle actually does have a sore shoulder. If opponents find out about it, does it really give them any tactical advantage? Either Buehrle has good enough stuff to get batters out, or he does not. I don't see how Buehrle becomes easier to hit if a shoulder injury becomes public knowledge.

Further, the Sox have three more years invested in Mark. Why would they risk that long-term investment by allowing Mark to pitch with a serious injury?

I wish someone would ask Levine-line that when he starts spewing speculation over the airwaves. What is this crap about Buehrle being able to pitch on seven days rest, but not five? That's nonsense. Either he's healthy enough to pitch, or he is not. There is no way the Sox would have Buehrle pitch on every seventh day, because that would really screw up the routines of all the other guys in the rotation.

This whole thing is just ridiculous to me.

ChiSoxFan7
06-05-2008, 03:05 PM
they're OBVIOUSLY using the bill bellichick (sp?) plan on hiding injuries....

besides that there is no real supportable reason to lie about an injury in baseball....

HomeFish
06-05-2008, 06:27 PM
#48 is what he wore in New York after the Contreras trade, wasn't it?

The fan response last night was overwhelmingly positive. He had to wave to the crowd on numerous occasions. It seems we've all forgotten about his comments and remember 2003. As we should, I think.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-05-2008, 06:29 PM
#48 is what he wore in New York after the Contreras trade, wasn't it?

The fan response last night was overwhelmingly positive. He had to wave to the crowd on numerous occasions. It seems we've all forgotten about his comments and remember 2003. As we should, I think.

I would think that he made his comments in the first place because he didn't want to leave the White Sox. But thankfully it's all water under the bridge.

Brian26
06-05-2008, 07:33 PM
Coop has #21. I don't get why coaches get uniform numbers. :scratch:


I want to know who gives Daryl Boston the right to wear #17 while coaching first, forever tarnishing the legacy of Ross Gload.

Foulke You
06-07-2008, 01:31 AM
Coop has #21. I don't get why coaches get uniform numbers. :scratch:

Also Torii Hunter didn't wind up using the number so it was available
According to whitesox.com, Loaiza wants his old #21 back and has been working on Cooper to try to get it from him. I'm with you Veeck, I don't understand why MLB coaches get numbers anyway. If they must have numbers, they should be the high numbers that nobody wants like #85 or something. If it makes Esteban happy and comfortable to wear his old #21, I think a coach like Coop should have to give it up. Plus, it would make all those folks who bought #21 Loaiza jerseys and shirts very happy.:D:

soltrain21
06-07-2008, 01:32 AM
What did Coop wear before 21? I want to say it was in the 40s...

Mohoney
06-07-2008, 03:52 AM
Now that Loaiza has been brought in to be a spot starter and long reliever, maybe Nick Masset can get some more innings out of the bullpen to ease the burden off Linebrink and Dotel. I think he's earned the opportunity to try and get some big outs for us, and I hope to see this happen.

TDog
06-07-2008, 04:24 AM
Coop has #21. I don't get why coaches get uniform numbers. :scratch: ...

Coaches wear uniform numbers for the same reason that players wear uniform numbers. They are in uniform.

It wasn't until the 1920s that players even wore numbers. The Yankees started the tradition, and vendors started warning that you can't tell the players without a scorecard.. Babe Ruth was 3 and Lou Gehrig was 4 because that was how they batted on a regular basis. Managers and coaches wore numbers so they could be identified as well. Names on the backs of uniforms may make numbers redundant, but they are just as redundant for coaches as they are for players.

voodoochile
06-07-2008, 09:11 AM
Now that Loaiza has been brought in to be a spot starter and long reliever, maybe Nick Masset can get some more innings out of the bullpen to ease the burden off Linebrink and Dotel. I think he's earned the opportunity to try and get some big outs for us, and I hope to see this happen.

I think that's the main reason this happened. Masset has been great this year and the Sox want to bump him to more meaningful innings.

soxinem1
06-07-2008, 09:47 AM
Coop will fix him. :cool:

Unless he's going to teach him a knuckleball or something, I'm not sure he can teach a pitcher how to get his stuff back, especially since Loaiza has not had a fastball since his last start of 2003.

This must mean that the team has no plans for Mike MacDougal in it's future.

35th&Shields
06-07-2008, 09:51 AM
I was going to post this, time to break out my Loaiza All Star JERSEY!!!

Didn't Loaiza start an All Star game, or is my memory bad? I remember one year he had something like 13 wins by the All Star break.

assrevolution
06-13-2008, 08:42 AM
and it looks like they're releasing him to bring up Russell. We hardly knew ya Esteban!

Madvora
06-13-2008, 08:48 AM
and it looks like they're releasing him to bring up Russell. We hardly knew ya Esteban!
What was the point of this in the first place? Russell was always there, it's not like anything changed.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080612&content_id=2902950&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

XOS THW
06-13-2008, 09:11 AM
i was shocked we even took him back, even for 3 games

VeeckAsInWreck
06-13-2008, 09:26 AM
i was shocked we even took him back, even for 3 games

It was to ensure that Esteban wears a Sox hat when he gets into the Hall Of Fame! :redneck

kobo
06-13-2008, 09:33 AM
What was the point of this in the first place? Russell was always there, it's not like anything changed.
http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080612&content_id=2902950&vkey=news_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws
They must have thought Loaiza had something left and that Coop could help him. Obviously it didn't take them long to discover Loaiza is done.

doublem23
06-13-2008, 09:35 AM
Didn't Loaiza start an All Star game, or is my memory bad? I remember one year he had something like 13 wins by the All Star break.

Yes, he started the All-Star Game at the Cell.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-13-2008, 09:35 AM
They must have thought Loaiza had something left and that Coop could help him. Obviously it didn't take them long to discover Loaiza is done.

KW bought into the WSI catchphrase "Coop Will Fix Him". At least they knew he was done before Loaiza could cost us any games.

KenBerryGrab
06-13-2008, 09:51 AM
He gone! Mercy.

areilly
06-13-2008, 11:09 AM
Damnit! I was really looking forward to my jersey t being relevant in a non-ironic way again.

VeeckAsInWreck
06-13-2008, 11:14 AM
Now Coop won't have to be bothered with Esteban asking him for #21 anymore. :tongue:

turners56
06-13-2008, 11:57 AM
Now Coop won't have to be bothered with Esteban asking him for #21 anymore. :tongue:

Trudat.

102605
06-13-2008, 11:58 AM
Did he even get into a game?

KenBerryGrab
06-13-2008, 12:05 PM
Did he even get into a game?

Several. He pitched on Wednesday.

CHIsoxNation
06-13-2008, 03:39 PM
Looks like Loazia might not be going anywhere just yet. He was just placed on the DL. Looks like they might still give him a shot after all.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080613&content_id=2907115&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

MetroPD
06-13-2008, 03:58 PM
I liked Esteban, he was always a decent enough guy to have around. He played hard for us. To see his career end the way its looking out to be and for people to be happy about it, is kind of disheartening. Ah well. Who wants another beer?

whitesoxfan
06-13-2008, 04:09 PM
Looks like Loazia might not be going anywhere just yet. He was just placed on the DL. Looks like they might still give him a shot after all.

http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press_releases/press_release.jsp?ymd=20080613&content_id=2907115&vkey=pr_cws&fext=.jsp&c_id=cws

I called this earlier :smile:

DL'ing him makes much more sense than giving him a DFA.

HomeFish
06-13-2008, 06:10 PM
Several. He pitched on Wednesday.

He's only given up 1 ER in 3 innings, I think.