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The Immigrant
05-27-2008, 11:32 AM
Here are some interesting comparisons between this year's squad and the 2005 team through the first 50 games of each season:

2005: 219 runs scored, 179 runs against (+40)
2008: 224 runs scored, 184 runs against (+40)

2005: 33-17, 3.5 games up
2008: 28-22, 3 games up

The main difference at this point is the W-L record in one run games:

2005: 15-7
2008: 5-5

The difference has to be due to a lack of offensive execution in late innings, as this year's bullpen has been just as, if not more, dominant than the 2005 version.

(All numbers courtesy of "Toonderstruck" at South Side Sox)

CashMan
05-27-2008, 11:36 AM
Here are some interesting comparisons between this year's squad and the 2005 team through the first 50 games of each season:

2005: 219 runs scored, 179 runs against (+40)
2008: 224 runs scored, 184 runs against (+40)

2005: 33-17, 3.5 games up
2008: 28-22, 3 games up

The main difference at this point is the W-L record in one run games:

2005: 15-7
2008: 5-5

The difference has to be due to a lack of offensive execution in late innings, as this year's bullpen has been just as, if not more, dominant than the 2005 version.

(All numbers courtesy of "Toonderstruck" at South Side Sox)


You have to factor in, the 2005 team had Crazy Carl on it.

RockyMtnSoxFan
05-27-2008, 11:38 AM
Don't forget the eight-game winning streaks. :tongue:

soltrain21
05-27-2008, 11:38 AM
You have to factor in, the 2005 team had Crazy Carl on it.

You also have to factor in that this is a completely different year with a completely different team and a completely different set of opponents.

This means nothing.

oeo
05-27-2008, 11:43 AM
You also have to factor in that this is a completely different year with a completely different team and a completely different set of opponents.

This means nothing.

I must have missed where someone said it meant something. It's just very interesting.

CashMan
05-27-2008, 11:45 AM
You also have to factor in that this is a completely different year with a completely different team and a completely different set of opponents.

This means nothing.

When you have someone on your team, who completely denies that dinosaurs ever existed, you know you are going to win games.

jabrch
05-27-2008, 11:51 AM
The biggest difference in my eyes between the two is that the 2005 version won a World Series and this one has won the May 27th Division Title. When they give you a ring for the May 27th title, I'll celebrate. :-)

Seriously - I'm happy to see this team playing good ball, and thrilled that I know we have no peaked yet. I see no reason to believe this team can not be competitive all year.

fquaye149
05-27-2008, 11:52 AM
You have to factor in, the 2005 team had Crazy Carl on it.

So true!

VeeckAsInWreck
05-27-2008, 11:55 AM
Guys, it's only a comparison between the two seasons. I don't think there was any implication that it meant that the Sox are destined for the World Series or anything like that.

It's something to look at and ponder until game time tonight.

TDog
05-27-2008, 11:56 AM
The 2005 wire-to-wire team went into a hitting slump in August and September and played close to .500 ball. Every season is different, but 2008 continues to hold promise.

At this point, I think the 2008 White Sox have a good chance to build on their lead in a soft division. Other teams in the Central are going to get hot at different times and seem to make a run. The Royals were getting excellent pitching and winning enough games to be on top early on. The Twins were on top for a few days and seemed to be playing like they meant to stay there. Less than two weeks ago, there were people saying the Indians had the inside track in the Central and it was their division to lose. Every time the Tigers seem to take a step forward, they take two steps back. Since scoring 19 runs in a win Saturday, the Tigers have just a solitary solo home run in their last 21 innings and haven't scored in their last 19 innings. I don't know if the Tigers have the pitching to turn in a great run that puts them in the race.

The most impressive stat about the White Sox this year is that for all their offensive struggles -- they haven't twice scored 19 as the Tigers have -- they are second in the American League to Oakland in run differential. It amazes me that Oakland is first, although I could see they clearly improved their offense in the offseason and helped themselves early on by picking up Frank Thomas. But neither the White Sox or A's have been clubbing teams to death.

moochpuppy
05-27-2008, 11:59 AM
Bottom line........the 2008 White Sox have exceeded expectations so far. :bandance:

VeeckAsInWreck
05-27-2008, 12:01 PM
The 2005 wire-to-wire team went into a hitting slump in August and September and played close to .500 ball. Every season is different, but 2008 continues to hold promise.

At this point, I think the 2008 White Sox have a good chance to build on their lead in a soft division. Other teams in the Central are going to get hot at different times and seem to make a run. The Royals were getting excellent pitching and winning enough games to be on top early on. The Twins were on top for a few days and seemed to be playing like they meant to stay there. Less than two weeks ago, there were people saying the Indians had the inside track in the Central and it was their division to lose. Every time the Tigers seem to take a step forward, they take two steps back. Since scoring 19 runs in a win Saturday, the Tigers have just a solitary solo home run in their last 21 innings and haven't scored in their last 19 innings. I don't know if the Tigers have the pitching to turn in a great run that puts them in the race.

The most impressive stat about the White Sox this year is that for all their offensive struggles -- they haven't twice scored 19 as the Tigers have -- they are second in the American League to Oakland in run differential. It amazes me that Oakland is first, although I could see they clearly improved their offense in the offseason and helped themselves early on by picking up Frank Thomas. But neither the White Sox or A's have been clubbing teams to death.

Agreed! The baseball season is a long one and it is filled with ups and downs. When the Sox went on that dreadful 6 game losing streak they didn't lose a lot of ground. With that said, it's looking good for the Sox so far.

hawkjt
05-27-2008, 12:25 PM
I do wish we had that 2005 record..that would put us 8 games up already this year. Now that is a working margin.
As always, it is one game at a time for the Sox, so today all is good. We shall see later tonite. No doubt, that 2005 team inspired more confidence for me at this point..they just looked damn good with Pods going full tilt.
But, if Cabrera were to really get hot, that would help.

MisterB
05-27-2008, 12:26 PM
2005: 33-17, 3.5 games up
2008: 28-22, 3 games up


Luckily this year the Twins don't have the 29-20 record they did on the same date the Sox had that record in 2005.

thomas35forever
05-27-2008, 12:29 PM
Chuck Garfien said on SportsDay that since 1995, 64% of teams in first place on Memorial Day have gone on to make the postseason. Here are the first-place Memorial Day teams in the AL since then. Teams that made the playoffs are in bold:

1995: Red Sox, Indians, Angels
1996: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1997: Orioles, Indians, Rangers
1998: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1999: Red Sox, Indians, Rangers
2000: Red Sox, White Sox, Mariners
2001: Yankees, Twins, Mariners
2002: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2003: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2004: Yankees & Red Sox, White Sox, Angels
2005: Orioles, White Sox, Rangers & Angels
2006: Red Sox, Tigers, Rangers
2007: Red Sox, Indians, Angels

Pretty good trend, I say.

aryzner
05-27-2008, 12:31 PM
Let's not forget...

2004: Red Sox WS Champs
2005: White Sox WS Champs

2007: Red Sox WS Champs
2008: White Sox WS Champs?!?!?!?!?


DON'T STOP BELIEVING!! :tongue:

VeeckAsInWreck
05-27-2008, 12:31 PM
Chuck Garfien said on SportsDay that since 1995, 64% of teams in first place on Memorial Day have gone on to make the postseason. Here are the first-place Memorial Day teams in the AL since then. Teams that made the playoffs are in bold:

1995: Red Sox, Indians, Angels
1996: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1997: Orioles, Indians, Rangers
1998: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1999: Red Sox, Indians, Rangers
2000: Red Sox, White Sox, Mariners
2001: Yankees, Twins, Mariners
2002: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2003: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2004: Yankees & Red Sox, White Sox, Angels
2005: Orioles, White Sox, Rangers & Angels
2006: Red Sox, Tigers, Rangers
2007: Red Sox, Indians, Angels

Pretty good trend I say.

But all the dark clouds will turn to the 2004 season and cry out loud about how KW still needs to make more moves.

Anyway, I agree that it is a good trend.

Tekijawa
05-27-2008, 12:39 PM
Chuck Garfien said on SportsDay that since 1995, 64% of teams in first place on Memorial Day have gone on to make the postseason. Here are the first-place Memorial Day teams in the AL since then. Teams that made the playoffs are in bold:

1995: Red Sox, Indians, Angels
1996: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1997: Orioles, Indians, Rangers
1998: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1999: Red Sox, Indians, Rangers
2000: Red Sox, White Sox, Mariners
2001: Yankees, Twins, Mariners
2002: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2003: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2004: Yankees & Red Sox, White Sox, Angels
2005: Orioles, White Sox, Rangers & Angels
2006: Red Sox, Tigers, Rangers
2007: Red Sox, Indians, Angels

Pretty good trend, I say.
2008: Rays, White Sox, Angels... I bet Fox CAN'T WAIT for October!

I want Mags back
05-27-2008, 12:42 PM
2008: Rays, White Sox, Angels... I bet Fox CAN'T WAIT for October!

:rolleyes:

TBS will have the ALCS this year, and all division series games

areilly
05-27-2008, 12:42 PM
But all the dark clouds will turn to the 2004 season and cry out loud about how KW still needs to make more moves.

Anyway, I agree that it is a good trend.

You're right about 2004, but you left out that I'll also turn to 2003 and 2006.

VeeckAsInWreck
05-27-2008, 12:46 PM
You're right about 2004, but you left out that I'll also turn to 2003 and 2006.

:rolleyes: Of course how silly of me. Thanks for all you do. This site wouldn't be such fun without all the dark clouds. :thumbsup:

WhiteSox5187
05-27-2008, 12:50 PM
There are several of these little bench marks to measure a team, Memorial Day is one, as is July 4th, the trading deadline and Labor Day. Those are usually the big four. My dad always says you can tell the pretenders from the contenders by the end of May...I'm a little more conservative and say that by the end of June you know who is in the race and who is out of it. While I'm very excited about this team it is important to remember that we didn't start to fall apart until this date exactly last year...although the bullpen's flaws were certainly exposed in that Cubs series...and we were never this many games over .500 last year...but still, I think it's far too early to pat ourselves on the back just yet. If we're in this spot on June 27th, I think then we're for real and in great shape.

comet2k
05-27-2008, 02:50 PM
There are several of these little bench marks to measure a team, Memorial Day is one, as is July 4th, the trading deadline and Labor Day. Those are usually the big four. My dad always says you can tell the pretenders from the contenders by the end of May...I'm a little more conservative and say that by the end of June you know who is in the race and who is out of it. While I'm very excited about this team it is important to remember that we didn't start to fall apart until this date exactly last year...although the bullpen's flaws were certainly exposed in that Cubs series...and we were never this many games over .500 last year...but still, I think it's far too early to pat ourselves on the back just yet. If we're in this spot on June 27th, I think then we're for real and in great shape.

And that's when I'll say, "But the season is less than half over!" :wink:

I always worry that things could take a turn for the worst because of slumps, injuries or other teams just get hotter, but the pitching has been outstanding (second in AL in ERA) and there's upside potential for the hitting (Thome, Knoerko, Swisher, Cabrera), plus no one else in the Central has gotten it together yet.

Before the season I predicted 83 wins. Now I think they could easily exceed that.

kittle42
05-27-2008, 03:02 PM
:rolleyes: Of course how silly of me. Thanks for all you do. This site wouldn't be such fun without all the dark clouds. :thumbsup:

It would be a Cubs fan site. :)

turners56
05-27-2008, 03:12 PM
Let's not forget...

2004: Red Sox WS Champs
2005: White Sox WS Champs

2007: Red Sox WS Champs
2008: White Sox WS Champs?!?!?!?!?


DON'T STOP BELIEVING!! :tongue:

I've been thinking about that all off-season and season long.

turners56
05-27-2008, 03:15 PM
Overall, the biggest difference between this year and 2005 is the division around us. I don't think the Indians are worthy to win 94 games again. Plus, this team has so many more big name hitters than the 05 team. Not to mention we have Floyd and Danks walking on air right now (not saying it won't last, but are you expecting both Floyd and Danks to be around the 3.00 ERA mark ALL YEAR?) The 05 team had stable pitching all the way through (count out El Duque though), I'm not sure the two young guys will pitch this way all season. Plus, clutch hitting is almost non-existent on this offense. Especially the past couple of days.

aryzner
05-27-2008, 03:18 PM
I've been thinking about that all off-season and season long.
The best part is that it also happened in 1916 and 1917, and arguably would have happened in 1918 and 1919. :tongue:

turners56
05-27-2008, 03:20 PM
The best part is that it also happened in 1916 and 1917, and arguably would have happened in 1918 and 1919. :tongue:

Well, the Cubs helped the cause in 1918. That is, if the really did throw the 1918 series.

downstairs
05-27-2008, 04:14 PM
Chuck Garfien said on SportsDay that since 1995, 64% of teams in first place on Memorial Day have gone on to make the postseason. Here are the first-place Memorial Day teams in the AL since then. Teams that made the playoffs are in bold:

1995: Red Sox, Indians, Angels
1996: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1997: Orioles, Indians, Rangers
1998: Yankees, Indians, Rangers
1999: Red Sox, Indians, Rangers
2000: Red Sox, White Sox, Mariners
2001: Yankees, Twins, Mariners
2002: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2003: Red Sox, Twins, Mariners
2004: Yankees & Red Sox, White Sox, Angels
2005: Orioles, White Sox, Rangers & Angels
2006: Red Sox, Tigers, Rangers
2007: Red Sox, Indians, Angels

Pretty good trend, I say.

I'm curious (I can only remember so much, and don't have time to look this second)... how many of those teams above that did NOT make the playoffs, were at least legitamately in it until near the end?

The key is, I can't see us collapsing to the point where the season is lost before late September.

downstairs
05-27-2008, 04:15 PM
Here are some interesting comparisons between this year's squad and the 2005 team through the first 50 games of each season:

2005: 219 runs scored, 179 runs against (+40)
2008: 224 runs scored, 184 runs against (+40)

2005: 33-17, 3.5 games up
2008: 28-22, 3 games up

The main difference at this point is the W-L record in one run games:

2005: 15-7
2008: 5-5

The difference has to be due to a lack of offensive execution in late innings, as this year's bullpen has been just as, if not more, dominant than the 2005 version.

(All numbers courtesy of "Toonderstruck" at South Side Sox)

Yeah, but don't forget the epic collapse at the end of 2005's season.

cws05champ
05-27-2008, 08:21 PM
Let's not forget...

2004: Red Sox WS Champs
2005: White Sox WS Champs

2007: Red Sox WS Champs
2008: White Sox WS Champs?!?!?!?!?


DON'T STOP BELIEVING!! :tongue:
You forgot:

1916: Red Sox WS Champs
1917: White Sox WS Champs

1918: Red Sox WS Champs
1919: Should have been- White Sox WS Champs

MetroPD
05-27-2008, 08:48 PM
You have to factor in, the 2005 team had Crazy Carl on it.


The Carl factor is not to be underestimated......
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