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MCHSoxFan
05-18-2008, 07:08 PM
Well, we came through with a WIN and a...wait...aaaaa SWEEEEP!!!! YEEESSS! 1.5 UP IN 1ST!!!!


:bandance::bandance::bandance: :)

bridgeportcopper
05-18-2008, 07:09 PM
YES!!!! Sad to see Danks get nothing for his effort, but nice win regardless!

HomeFish
05-18-2008, 07:09 PM
God bless the Giants. Any other team playing the Sox today would have won 8-4.

Gavin
05-18-2008, 07:10 PM
God bless the Giants. Any other team playing the Sox today would have won 8-4.

You must be fun to hang out with in the real internets.

turners56
05-18-2008, 07:10 PM
The offense came around big time. Nick Masset was clutch. Ehren Wasserman just earned his ticket to AAA and Octavio Dotel couldn't buy a strike. What a game. Oh well, 7-3 road trip it was. I remember saying we could go 7-3 on this trip two weeks back and what do you know? It came true. The team is playing pretty well right now. I just hope today's bullpen implosion is a one-time thing.

sox1970
05-18-2008, 07:11 PM
Sox sweep the Giants.
Reds sweep the Indians.
Twins lose 2 out of 3.
Tigers continue to suck.

:D:

thomas35forever
05-18-2008, 07:11 PM
:sweep
Nice job boys! Take tomorrow off!

TommyJohn
05-18-2008, 07:11 PM
God bless the Giants. Any other team playing the Sox today would have won 8-4.

Are you ever happy?

Droso5
05-18-2008, 07:11 PM
Well done. After getting hammered in the 8th and Dotel ****ting his pants, Masset puts out a big fire and the White Sox actually string together some hits and score some insurance runs.:gulp:

The Ranger is going to get obliterated by drunk callers babbling about Dotel, his walks and why Ozzie didn't pull him. My prayers go out to him.

LoveYourSuit
05-18-2008, 07:14 PM
Bats came out today.... and we needed them on this one badly.

Great road trip!!!

veeter
05-18-2008, 07:14 PM
Strange, great win with a lot of positives. Super offense, great job by Massett. Dotel made me scratch my head. Great trip and we're on a roll.

cheezheadsoxfan
05-18-2008, 07:14 PM
A little nerve racking but fun to see so much offense. Don't think too many of us thought we'd come back froma west coast road trip a game and a half in first. Hopefully the bullpen just needs some rest

btrain929
05-18-2008, 07:15 PM
Even with:

OC = 2 hrs
Swish = huge 3 run triple

I give my personal player of the game to Masset. He did a tremendous job in the 8th to get out of that still with the lead, and didn't even give them anything to get excited about in the 9th.

turners56
05-18-2008, 07:15 PM
We only left 5 on base this game, what a offensive explosion that was. For the first 4 innings the team looked dead, then Crede's homer opened the flood gates. The Sox scored in the last 5 innings. Let's hope they didn't use all of their efforts in this game and suck against Cleveland.

gogosox16
05-18-2008, 07:16 PM
Even with:

OC = 2 hrs
Swish = huge 3 run triple

I give my personal player of the game to Masset. He did a tremendous job in the 8th to get out of that still with the lead, and didn't even give them anything to get excited about in the 9th.
3 run double not triple

October26
05-18-2008, 07:17 PM
After this game, I pulled out the GO GO Sox CD and did a little dance in front of my TV. Wow! What a ballgame! Thank you to Nick Masset and to the White Sox offense! Sox win and Sox sweep!:bandance:

FarWestChicago
05-18-2008, 07:17 PM
God bless the Giants. Any other team playing the Sox today would have won 8-4.Classic Fish. :cool:

sox1970
05-18-2008, 07:17 PM
Maybe next time there's a situation like that, Ozzie will trust Masset to pitch the last two innings with a 3 run lead.

voodoochile
05-18-2008, 07:19 PM
12 Sox players stepped into the batters box today.

11 of them reached base at least once.

10 of them either scored or drove in a run.

That kid Masset - he's not bad either...

:winner

:indianslose

:twinslose


:)

:supernana:

whitesoxfan
05-18-2008, 07:19 PM
I'm thrilled with a 7-3 west coast road trip. Very, very, very nice to see.

Well deserved off day tomorrow. Hopefully the bats come back on Tuesday as hot as they were in the 2nd half of today's game.

balke
05-18-2008, 07:19 PM
9-4 since the Skid. Things are looking up. Big series against Cleveland coming.

kevingrt
05-18-2008, 07:19 PM
7-3 on a stellar road trip... WOOHOO

:bandance:

UofCSoxFan
05-18-2008, 07:21 PM
12 Sox players stepped into the batters box today.

11 of them reached base at least once.

10 of them either scored or drove in a run.

That kid Masset - he's not bad either...

:winner

:indianslose

:twinslose


:)

:supernana:

Throw a "Tigers Lose" on there too (btw we really need one created).

Great job by the two McCarthey boys...Massett and Danks.

Mohoney
05-18-2008, 07:21 PM
Cleveland got swept by Cincinnati.

rookie
05-18-2008, 07:22 PM
Wow, a 7-3 West Coast Road Trip. Why does it feel like we did worse that that? Day off is good, my nerves need a break before Cleveland.

veeter
05-18-2008, 07:22 PM
God bless the Giants. Any other team playing the Sox today would have won 8-4.In the major leagues, any win on the road, no matter how ugly, is a great win.

whitesoxfan
05-18-2008, 07:23 PM
Throw a "Tigers Lose" on there too (btw we really need one created).

Great job by the two McCarthey boys...Massett and Danks.

What an awful trade.

SoxSpeed22
05-18-2008, 07:24 PM
Wild game to say the least. The hitting finally put together hits and used all sides of the field. Danks pitched very well, but the bullpen looked very 2006-07 like. Masset got the ground balls, even though I didn't think he could do it after that bad throw by Crede.
Alls well that ends well and the result is a 7-3 road trip and first place. :bandance:

thomas35forever
05-18-2008, 07:29 PM
:winner

:indianslose

:twinslose


:hawk
"I luuuuuuuuuuuv trifectas."

gf2020
05-18-2008, 07:30 PM
It's hard not to be excited here. We'll start Tuesday with a 1.5 game lead in the division with our nearest competitor having played 10 more home games than us.

GlassSox
05-18-2008, 07:32 PM
Great road trip and a wild win tonight. A lot of good offense, very encouraging. :D: I am so ready to be at USCF on Tuesday night.

cheezheadsoxfan
05-18-2008, 07:34 PM
Rongey just had a drunk complaining about the pitching and babbling about how hot Cleveland (who just got swept) is. :rolleyes:

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 07:34 PM
Even with:

OC = 2 hrs
Swish = huge 3 run triple

I give my personal player of the game to Masset. He did a tremendous job in the 8th to get out of that still with the lead, and didn't even give them anything to get excited about in the 9th.Actually, Swisher had a double. I think it was generous scoring. It probably should have been a single, with an error allowing the third run to score, and Swish taking 2nd on the throw. But I agree with your points. Swisher's hit was HUGE.

This game was frustrating as hell. I hate games like this were it seems like the pitching just cant stop the bleeding. I am glad Masset retired the side in order in the 9th, and hopefully the pitching doesn't carry over into Tuesday.

soxfan21
05-18-2008, 07:36 PM
Nice to see us get out of there with a sweep. Good to see the hitting hopefully coming back, and it is nice to have an off day tomorrow so hopefully the bullpen can get some much needed rest and we come to play on Tuesday.

Frontman
05-18-2008, 07:38 PM
A winning West Coast Road Trip.

Just makes me smile thinking about it!

GAsoxfan
05-18-2008, 07:42 PM
Great road trip.

What's wrong with Crede? Nine errors by mid-May is a little alarming.

Tragg
05-18-2008, 07:44 PM
Throw a "Tigers Lose" on there too (btw we really need one created).


Because the Royals aren't the Royals anymore, that honor now falls on the Tigers - (unless we can get the Giants transferred to the AL Central to play the Royals' role).


Nice work by Masset....credit Williams and the coaches with keeping him on the club despite bad spring numbers. Keep it up Cabrera

Keep Ramirez in the lineup (assuming he's handling 2nd okay, which I assume he is). Play Anderson a lot. Give Dye, Konerko and Thome a day off a week to ensure they are fresh for October.



Who do they switch for Wasserman (assuming they send him down?)

ElevenUp
05-18-2008, 07:46 PM
It was great to see the offense pick up the bullpen after bad 7th and 8th innings. Ill take a 7-3 Wets Coast road trip anytime!
:gulp:

sox1970
05-18-2008, 07:49 PM
Who do they switch for Wasserman (assuming they send him down?)

I think they may send him down in favor of a "full inning" reliever.

I would guess Adam Russell would get the call, but Dewon Day is also having a very good season.

Vernam
05-18-2008, 07:49 PM
Actually, Swisher had a double. I think it was generous scoring. It probably should have been a single, with an error allowing the third run to score, and Swish taking 2nd on the throw.I have to quibble with you there, TOR. With the weird hop that Swish's hit took, Ortmeier did well to get a glove on it. I agree Swisher took second on a fielder's choice (throw to home), but I don't see an error there on the throw or otherwise.

Anyway, Masset really saved our asses in the 8th. Three straight feeble grounders to bail out Dotel. And Crede. And Anderson . . .

Ho hum, another homer by Quentin. :tongue: With Dye hitting, maybe we've got our 3-4 hitters set for a while. :praying:

Danks deserved better -- what new?

Vernam

gogosox16
05-18-2008, 07:50 PM
I think they may send him down in favor of a "full inning" reliever.

I would guess Adam Russell would get the call, but Dewon Day is also having a very good season.
please not Dewon Day. we had fun with it last year but I don't want to see him near the Sox bulpen. Give a chance to Russell

sox1970
05-18-2008, 07:52 PM
please not Dewon Day. we had fun with it last year but I don't want to see him near the Sox bulpen. Give a chance to Russell

I think Day was hurt last year, and Kenny Williams pretty much said they rushed him and wanted to keep him at Charlotte this year, along with Russell.

But they may need to make a change.

LoveYourSuit
05-18-2008, 07:54 PM
I think they may send him down in favor of a "full inning" reliever.

I would guess Adam Russell would get the call, but Dewon Day is also having a very good season.


Agree 100%. We now carry two 1 batter specialists (Wasserman & Logan) and I think this can tax the bullpen in the long run.

Wasserman has to go for a better arm.

LoveYourSuit
05-18-2008, 07:55 PM
anyone have a stat line on Dewon Day so far?

Stone was raving in the Spring about his stuff.

sox1970
05-18-2008, 07:57 PM
Dewon Day

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=19135

Adam Russell

http://minors.baseball-reference.com/players.cgi?pid=27477

Mohoney
05-18-2008, 07:58 PM
A winning West Coast Road Trip.

Just makes me smile thinking about it!

Not only a winning trip, but a .700 trip at that. It was really nice to catch San Francisco instead of Oakland.:cool:

delben91
05-18-2008, 07:58 PM
anyone have a stat line on Dewon Day so far?

Stone was raving in the Spring about his stuff.

Not the best ERA, but his K:BB ratio is lightyears better than his showing in Chicago last season. I remember he couldn't throw a strike to save his life for the Sox.

Stats (http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?n=Dewon%20Day&pos=P&sid=t494&t=p_pbp&pid=457440)

Johnny Mostil
05-18-2008, 08:01 PM
What an awful trade.

Are you dissin' Phil Rogers' workhorse?:wink:

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 08:02 PM
I have to quibble with you there, TOR. With the weird hop that Swish's hit took, Ortmeier did well to get a glove on it. I agree Swisher took second on a fielder's choice (throw to home), but I don't see an error there on the throw or otherwise.

Anyway, Masset really saved our asses in the 8th. Three straight feeble grounders to bail out Dotel. And Crede. And Anderson . . .

Ho hum, another homer by Quentin. :tongue: With Dye hitting, maybe we've got our 3-4 hitters set for a while. :praying:

Danks deserved better -- what new?

VernamWell, I didn't see it on any replay, but it looked like he booted the ball after initially missing it. ESPN showed the CSN replay, so I only had one view. The ball fell, and then the LF whiffed and it got past him. They showed the runner rounding third. When they cut back to the LF, the ball was in front of him, rolling around the bullpen. Did anyone see differently?

As for Crede's error, the throw was off, but it was still there, and Ramirez should have been able to turn an out. Replays showed Alexei not only was able to get his foot back on the bag, but he tagged the runner's back foot before the front foot got in. It was the rare double blown call.:angry: I am just glad that it didn't cost us.

russ99
05-18-2008, 08:03 PM
I think they may send him down in favor of a "full inning" reliever.

I would guess Adam Russell would get the call, but Dewon Day is also having a very good season.

How about (dare I say it...) MacDougal?

He has decent numbers this season, but he got sent down to work on getting ahead in the count. Anyone know how he's doing so far in Charlotte?

Dotel, man I can't explain it, other than he was probably expecting to come in for the 7th, so he may have cooled down and lost focus. That strikeout pitch last night with the bases loaded was so money, I'll excuse this one.

Outstanding road trip, and the Sox are riding a 5-game streak going home. Hopefully we'll see another 9 (or more) win streak. :D:

chisox77
05-18-2008, 08:04 PM
Big Picture Assessment: 7-3 road trips are pretty good.

:cool:

Railsplitter
05-18-2008, 08:04 PM
How do you celebrate a five game win streak AND a sweep?

Like this
:supernana:

Or this?
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

Who cares as long as we keep it up vs Cleveland.

sox1970
05-18-2008, 08:04 PM
^Russ

MacDougal sucks. He walked in a winning run the other day.

Bookmarks:

www.baseball-reference.com (http://www.baseball-reference.com)

www.minorleaguebaseball.com (http://www.minorleaguebaseball.com)

Frater Perdurabo
05-18-2008, 08:05 PM
Big Picture Assessment: 7-3 road trips are pretty good.

:cool:

Agreed. I'm really pleased with this road trip. It almost makes up for the winless "dome trip" in MIN and TOR.

Tragg
05-18-2008, 08:07 PM
I think they may send him down in favor of a "full inning" reliever.

I would guess Adam Russell would get the call, but Dewon Day is also having a very good season.
Day is a scary thought....Day was Ric White bad last year.
But, that was his first chance, so he could get better - he has some Jenks similarities from what I recall.

gobears1987
05-18-2008, 08:08 PM
Anyway, Masset really saved our asses in the 8th. Three straight feeble grounders to bail out Dotel. And Crede. And Anderson . . .

Ho hum, another homer by Quentin. :tongue: With Dye hitting, maybe we've got our 3-4 hitters set for a while. :praying:



VernamI also like AJ batting 2nd. He can get on base with a single or double for Quentin and Dye.

SoxGirl4Life
05-18-2008, 08:09 PM
How do you celebrate a five game win streak AND a sweep?

Like this
:supernana:

Or this?
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:

Who cares as long as we keep it up vs Cleveland.

AND getting to and securing 1st place to boot! :)

turners56
05-18-2008, 08:11 PM
I just noticed that the Sox have played the least amount of home games (18) in all of baseball. The schedule makers definitely suck major. Yet, we're in first and 3 above .500. This team hasn't had any luck this year, but somehow, they're in first in May. Let's see what the rest of the season brings.

itsnotrequired
05-18-2008, 08:12 PM
I just noticed that the Sox have played the least amount of home games (18) in all of baseball. The schedule makers definitely suck major. Yet, we're in first and 3 above .500. This team hasn't had any luck this year, but somehow, they're in first in May. Let's see what the rest of the season brings.

Keep in mind the Sox had two home games rained out.

mccoydp
05-18-2008, 08:13 PM
Throw a "Tigers Lose" on there too (btw we really need one created).

Great job by the two McCarthey boys...Massett and Danks.

I thought I remembered a "Tigers Lose" graphic floating around here in 2006; I could be wrong.

Good sweep today, Sox!

Noneck
05-18-2008, 08:17 PM
Keep in mind the Sox had two home games rained out.

And the Baltimore Tied game which is not on the books.

turners56
05-18-2008, 08:17 PM
Keep in mind the Sox had two home games rained out.

I counted the Baltimore game they didn't finish. I forgot about the Twins rainout. So it's 18 games at home. That's still the lowest in the AL.

SoxandtheCityTee
05-18-2008, 08:18 PM
I am liking the play of the interleague so far. The Sox have almost equalled their wins last year v. the NL.

The win, the sweep, the road trip, another game up and a shout-out by Rongey to WSI in the postgame -- credit that to the posters who were there.

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 08:20 PM
Keep in mind the Sox had two home games rained out.I think he included them. According to JB in the other thread, we have played 27 of our first 43 on the road.

But I agree with his point that the schedules have been horrible for every team this year. Back to back 2 game series on the road, four game sets with the last game on a monday, road for 6 games, home for 3, then back on the road for 10 more. Terrible scheduling.

sox1970
05-18-2008, 08:21 PM
I think he included them. According to JB in the other thread, we have played 27 of our first 43 on the road.

But I agree with his point that the schedules have been horrible for every team this year. Back to back 2 game series on the road, four game sets with the last game on a monday, road for 6 games, home for 3, then back on the road for 10 more. Terrible schduling.

But I think that's what the Sox want as far as getting more fans in June, July, and August. They've always complained about getting too many dates in April and May. They're getting what they wanted, and it's working out fine so far.

Chicken Dinner
05-18-2008, 08:22 PM
We are picking it up. Stay positive and keep it going. 162 is a lot of games! :smile:

itsnotrequired
05-18-2008, 08:23 PM
But I think that's what the Sox want as far as getting more fans in June, July, and August. They've always complained about getting too many dates in April and May. They're getting what they wanted, and it's working out fine so far.

Don't forget that never being satisfied is a Sox fan prerequisite.

:redneck

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 08:25 PM
But I think that's what the Sox want as far as getting more fans in June, July, and August. They've always complained about getting too many dates in April and May. They're getting what they wanted, and it's working out fine so far.
I don' mind the number of road games (because it all comes back to us in the end), but I hate the number of two game sets, the fact that we have played the last 17 days, and some of the other dumb quirks. If the scheduling gets any worse, teams will be having Fridays or Saturdays off.

Lip Man 1
05-18-2008, 08:29 PM
The five game win streak takes some of the sting out of that six game losing streak.

As long as the pitching holds up, IF the hitting can come together, this club has a shot to be there at the end.

Still a long season to go but right now they are playing well. 9 of their last 13 in fact.

And Droso said something earlier about Dotel having a bad game. He did, but he wasn't helped by another Crede error was he?

Lip

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 08:34 PM
The five game win streak takes some of the sting out of that six game losing streak.

As long as the pitching holds up, IF the hitting can come together, this club has a shot to be there at the end.

Still a long season to go but right now they are playing well. 9 of their last 13 in fact.

And Droso said something earlier about Dotel having a bad game. He did, but he wasn't helped by another Crede error was he?

LipHold on a sec, Lip. First of all, that error was a blown call because Ramirez got his foot back on the bag (along with tagging the runner). Second, that had nothing to do with 3 straight walks. Facing three batters and walking them all is horrible whether someone comes in and strikes out the side or lets them all score. He was Marte-esque today. No excuse for the throw being off, but all it did was make Dotel's line look as bad as it actually was.

Chicken Dinner
05-18-2008, 08:37 PM
First place.......Yes

16 games at home with a winning record.........Yes

27 games on the road with a winning record.........Yes

119 to go...........We have potential.

This ain't no 2007 team, that's for sure.

Zisk77
05-18-2008, 08:42 PM
I would of called it the official "who put second base there?" thread.:D:

Danks was good again today with no love as he was last year for the first to months (But he sucked at 6-13, blah blah blah) :angry:

I have a feeling our bats are about to be hot.

Lets win a series from the tribe.

tCQ continues to impress (KW worst GM in baseball :scratch:)

turners56
05-18-2008, 08:44 PM
First place.......Yes

16 games at home with a winning record.........Yes

27 games on the road with a winning record.........Yes

119 to go...........We have potential.

This ain't no 2007 team, that's for sure.

We were 24-20 before the wheels came off. Beware!

NDSox12
05-18-2008, 08:48 PM
I am liking the play of the interleague so far. The Sox have almost equalled their wins last year v. the NL.


Actually, the Sox HAVE matched their interleague win total from '07. They were 3-9 last year.

SoxGirl4Life
05-18-2008, 08:48 PM
We were 24-20 before the wheels came off. Beware!


But the rest of the division is where that comparison falls apart.

We weren't in first with that record last year. We can be competetive this year.

Chicken Dinner
05-18-2008, 08:48 PM
We were 24-20 before the wheels came off. Beware!

It appears the the wheels are back on, for now! :D:

Lip Man 1
05-18-2008, 08:51 PM
Roman:

Just wondering...hasn't Dotel and Linebrink and Jenks pitched in a number of games in a row the past week?

That may have had something to do with things.

Lip

SoxGirl4Life
05-18-2008, 08:51 PM
Actually, the Sox HAVE matched their interleague win total from '07. They were 3-9 last year.


Sox were 4-14 last year in interleague. Maybe you're not counting the Cubs series. We were 1-5 against them.

No biggie. I usually selectively forget the cubs, too.

turners56
05-18-2008, 08:51 PM
It appears the the wheels are back on, for now! :D:

But they can come off quickly. After Buehrle's no hitter, the Sox took 2 of 3 from the Rays. Then they went on a trip to Minnesota and Toronto where they went like 1-6. Then they won 8 of the next 21 games or something. So yea, the possibility of a repeat of 2007 is not dead yet. Even though this team looks better than that team.

SoxGirl4Life
05-18-2008, 08:54 PM
But they can come off quickly. After Buehrle's no hitter, the Sox took 2 of 3 from the Rays. Then they went on a trip to Minnesota and Toronto where they went like 1-6. Then they won 8 of the next 21 games or something. So yea, the possibility of a repeat of 2007 is not dead yet. Even though this team looks better than that team.


We can be a little positive.

Can't we just be HAPPY about a 7-3 west coast trip, a 5 game winning streak, and first place?

Chicken Dinner
05-18-2008, 08:56 PM
But they can come off quickly. After Buehrle's no hitter, the Sox took 2 of 3 from the Rays. Then they went on a trip to Minnesota and Toronto where they went like 1-6. Then they won 8 of the next 21 games or something. So yea, the possibility of a repeat of 2007 is not dead yet. Even though this team looks better than that team.

Look forward...........not past!

chisox77
05-18-2008, 08:56 PM
Dude Swisher comes through late. I sense a major tear coming from Swish. When that happens, look out - hear come the White Sox!

:cool:

turners56
05-18-2008, 08:56 PM
We can be a little positive.

Can't we just be HAPPY about a 7-3 west coast trip, a 5 game winning streak, and first place?

I'm very happy about the trip (in fact, I predicted it), but I'm just saying. This start is not all that different from last year's. So be aware of factors that yell, "downfall". Like Octavio Dotel's performance today.

veeter
05-18-2008, 08:57 PM
Will putting AJ in the two-hole be the ticket like Pudge in '83?

gf2020
05-18-2008, 08:58 PM
But the rest of the division is where that comparison falls apart.

We weren't in first with that record last year. We can be competetive this year.

Indeed, the Indians were 4.5 games ahead of us at that point. It's probably going to take only like 90 wins to win the division at this point.

SoxGirl4Life
05-18-2008, 09:00 PM
I'm very happy about the trip (in fact, I predicted it), but I'm just saying. This start is not all that different from last year's. So be aware of factors that yell, "downfall". Like Octavio Dotel's performance today.


I've been a Sox fan my whole life-I'm not delusional. I'm also not counting anything out. But I AM happy about the way they've been playing.

turners56
05-18-2008, 09:00 PM
Indeed, the Indians were 4.5 games ahead of us at that point. It's probably going to take only like 90 wins to win the division at this point.

The Tigers look completely out of it right now, the Indians show that they can't win against the Reds. And the Royals are obviously the Royals. I'm not scared by the Twins much. This division could be ours, the only real contender that will match up to us (because of their pitching) is Cleveland.

MarySwiss
05-18-2008, 09:02 PM
We were 24-20 before the wheels came off. Beware!

It appears the the wheels are back on, for now! :D:

But they can come off quickly. After Buehrle's no hitter, the Sox took 2 of 3 from the Rays. Then they went on a trip to Minnesota and Toronto where they went like 1-6. Then they won 8 of the next 21 games or something. So yea, the possibility of a repeat of 2007 is not dead yet. Even though this team looks better than that team.

We can be a little positive. Can't we just be HAPPY about a 7-3 west coast trip, a 5 game winning streak, and first place?

To quote Monty Python: "Why not look on the bright side of life?"

Interestingly, I was just having a conversation with a Sox fan about the Dark Cloudiness on this site. Yes, the wheels can come off for the Sox. Or the Indians. Or the Twins. Or any other team. It's MAY, for heaven's sake!

But as SoxGirl4Life points out, it is what it is. And we have a lot to be happy about right now.

NDSox12
05-18-2008, 09:06 PM
Sox were 4-14 last year in interleague. Maybe you're not counting the Cubs series. We were 1-5 against them.

No biggie. I usually selectively forget the cubs, too.

Whoops... actually, I just missed one win (not sure which one) and for some reason was thinking the Sox only played 12 interleague games, which is how I arrived at 9 losses. Way off, regardless. Thanks for the correction.

Madscout
05-18-2008, 09:12 PM
The Tigers look completely out of it right now, the Indians show that they can't win against the Reds. And the Royals are obviously the Royals. I'm not scared by the Twins much. This division could be ours, the only real contender that will match up to us (because of their pitching) is Cleveland.

If you have been watching White Sox baseball the past 10 years or so, you know to never ever count the Twins out.

turners56
05-18-2008, 09:23 PM
If you have been watching White Sox baseball the past 10 years or so, you know to never ever count the Twins out.

Oh, I've been scared out of my mind by the Twins before, but this year, without Johan and Torii Hunter, they seem different to me.

delben91
05-18-2008, 09:24 PM
Can't we just be HAPPY about a 7-3 west coast trip, a 5 game winning streak, and first place?

Apparently not. :dunno:

October26
05-18-2008, 09:29 PM
Will putting AJ in the two-hole be the ticket like Pudge in '83?

Wouldn't that be sweet! I'm still dancing about the Sox sweep this weekend!:bandance:

MeteorsSox4367
05-18-2008, 09:40 PM
Sox sweep, finish the West Coast trip 7-3, Cabrera might be starting to get hot by hitting two bombs today and Carlos Quentin should be declared the AL MVP right now.

The only bad things were some solo DJ play-by-play and Dotel's back-to-back-to-back walks. Other than that, let's keep rollin'.

ChiSoxGirl
05-18-2008, 09:48 PM
I am liking the play of the interleague so far. The Sox have almost equalled their wins last year v. the NL.

The win, the sweep, the road trip, another game up and a shout-out by Rongey to WSI in the postgame -- credit that to the posters who were there.

Credit taken. But I think more of the credit should go to tebman who wrote "WSI Table" on a piece of paper and DumpJerry & I took turns holding it up like a cue card for Rongey to read as he was wrapping things up. :wink:

BadBobbyJenks
05-18-2008, 09:54 PM
How do you celebrate a five game win streak AND a sweep?

Like this
:supernana:

Or this?
:bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance::bandance:


No like this:moonwalk::gulp:


I dont know how anyone could say anything but this was a great roadtrip.(unless you are homefish) I just keep saying if the bats wake up look out...maybe they are

Tragg
05-18-2008, 09:54 PM
I guess there are some 07 comparisons, but Erstad, Terrero, Bukvich and Cintron are simply incomparable....to anything.

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 09:57 PM
Roman:

Just wondering...hasn't Dotel and Linebrink and Jenks pitched in a number of games in a row the past week?

That may have had something to do with things.

LipI agree. I was just saying he had a horrible performance, and all Crede's error did was allow a run. When you leave with the bases loaded and no out, you can't really expect to not give up any runs (and that isn't excusing Crede).

Dotel shouldn't have ever needed to come into the game. I am giving him the benefit of the doubt. Much like a time or two in 06 when we had to use Bobby 3 or 4 days in a row and he blew the tail end (I remember a series in Baltimore specifically). The only people who would pile on him for today's game are the ones that didn't want him here to begin with.

Grzegorz
05-18-2008, 10:03 PM
This was a great road trip. I love seeing Nick Masset & Brian Anderson contributing.

Keep up the good work...

SoxandtheCityTee
05-18-2008, 10:10 PM
On the other teams in the Division: one to continue to muddle along all year to a .500 season; one to improve, but nothing overly spectacular; one to have their version of our 2007. That leaves one to contend, but we beat them. I don't care much which team plays which role. This is my plan. :cool:

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 10:10 PM
Nice to see the bats heating up! :bandance::bandance:

itsnotrequired
05-18-2008, 10:18 PM
:tomato:

Lip Man 1
05-18-2008, 10:21 PM
Mary:

As a Python fan it's "always" look on the bright side of life...

Lip

Chicken Dinner
05-18-2008, 10:23 PM
We're Sunday night baseball next week? I hate that!

sox1970
05-18-2008, 10:30 PM
We're Sunday night baseball next week? I hate that!

Juan OOOOribe.

TDog
05-18-2008, 10:31 PM
I just got back from San Francisco, and I have to say today was a great game. Danks didn't seem to have great command, but he caught a bad break in the fifth inning on the hit that bounced off second base to give the Giants a 2-1 lead.

I didn't know if the Sox were going to get a hit off of Cain until Crede homered in the top of the inning to tie the game. But even the Giants fans around me were saying the Sox had figured Cain out in the sixth. After Cabrera homered to tie the game, Pierzynski singled and Quentin homered, Dye drove the ball deep for an out. Danks had made the last out in the fifth, but Anderson hit a shot into the leftfield corner for a double, so everyone seemed to be hitting him hard at that point.

Swisher's double wasn't hit well. Off the bat, I thought it had a great chance to drop for a hit. With the bases loaded and two outs, everyone was running, and when the leftfielder overran the ball, it was a fun thing to watch. Swisher really needed that, and I hope it loosens him up. And then the Sox tatooed the Giants' stud 99 mph-throwing closer. The Sox bullpen seemed porous, but outside of Wasserman, who probably isn't long for the team, and Dotel, who couldn't find the plate today, the Sox pitching was strong. Masset ate the Giants up.

I was even impressed with how well Konerko is hitting the ball even when he's making outs. Pierzynski is hitting very well, as is Dye. Quentin is flat-out dangerous. After Friday night, the Sox were getting some good rips against some very good Giants pitchers they had never seen before.

regionsox73
05-18-2008, 10:42 PM
Sox sweep, finish the West Coast trip 7-3, Cabrera might be starting to get hot by hitting two bombs today and Carlos Quentin should be declared the AL MVP right now.

The only bad things were some solo DJ play-by-play and Dotel's back-to-back-to-back walks. Other than that, let's keep rollin'.

I got sick of Hawk whining about the umps. That was the only bad thing for me.

Chicken Dinner
05-18-2008, 10:43 PM
Juan OOOOribe.

Best 2nd baseman we got!

WhiteSox5187
05-18-2008, 10:46 PM
Any time you go out on a ten game road trip and come back 7-3 has got to be considered a success. However we won ugly in all those games, but winning ugly is a hell of a lot better than losing ugly. The only worrisome thing today was Wassermann and while Dotel didn't look good the guy has pitched a ton of games of late, he needed an off day. We've got a big series coming up against Cleveland. Hopefully we'll be able to keep hitting the ball like today and pitching like we did last night.

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 10:49 PM
By the way, does anyone know the rule DJ was talking about that would allow the official scorer to give the win to Masset? He was saying it would probably be Thornton, but due to circumstances, the scorer had the option to give it to Masset.

Jjav829
05-18-2008, 10:51 PM
Best 2nd baseman we got!

What a compliment that is... :unsure:

Nice to see Swish get a big hit today.

voodoochile
05-18-2008, 10:51 PM
Best 2nd baseman we got!

Maybe not anymore. If Ramirez starts to hit, he deserves a chance to play.

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 10:56 PM
Juan OOOOribe.

I don't know why people give Miller so much guff for that, given that's how the name's supposed to be pronounced

itsnotrequired
05-18-2008, 10:58 PM
I don't know why people give Miller so much guff for that, given that's how the name's supposed to be pronounced

Uribe is a sex-starved idiot.

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 11:01 PM
Jon Miller. Not outer-kyoo

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 11:04 PM
I don't know why people give Miller so much guff for that, given that's how the name's supposed to be pronounced No it isn't. It is "Ooo-er ree bay". "OOOOO-ribe" as Miller pronounces it, is over-punching the first syllable. "OOOO-ribe" is not how Ozzie pronounces his name. Likewise, he mispronounces Guillen. While we all mispronounces it, Miller is pretentious in the way he tries to pronounce it, and still wrong. "E" makes the sound "ain" in Spanish. It would be "Gee-ain", not "Gee-en".

itsnotrequired
05-18-2008, 11:08 PM
"OOOO-ribe" is not how Ozzie pronounces his name.

:fireozzie

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 11:12 PM
No it isn't. It is "Ooo-er ree bay". "OOOOO-ribe" as Miller pronounces it, is over-punching the first syllable. "OOOO-ribe" is not how Ozzie pronounces his name. Likewise, he mispronounces Guillen. While we all mispronounces it, Miller is pretentious in the way he tries to pronounce it, and still wrong. "E" makes the sound "ain" in Spanish. It would be "Gee-ain", not "Gee-en".

:rolleyes:

It's pronounced oo-ree-bay, which is how Miller says it.

sox1970
05-18-2008, 11:19 PM
:rolleyes:

It's pronounced oo-ree-bay, which is how Miller says it.

Even if it's correct in spanish, it still bugs me.

Like tonight--Carlos bel-TRON.

Can't stand it.

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 11:22 PM
:rolleyes:

It's pronounced oo-ree-bay, which is how Miller says it. No, you are still wrong. If he feels the need to pretentiously and unnecessarily go overboard in the pronunciation, he should at least get it right. I speak Spanish, and it is easy to tell the sound of a non-native speaker trying to pronounce Spanish words. Just like people who learned English as a second language, there is an accent. If he feels the need to pronounce the name in such a matter, he should get it right. Yer-reebay is wrong, but so is how he pronounces it. But I see your :rolleyes:, and raise you a :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

itsnotrequired
05-18-2008, 11:27 PM
No, you are still wrong. If he feels the need to pretentiously and unnecessarily go overboard in the pronunciation, he should at least get it right. I speak Spanish, and it is easy to tell the sound of a non-native speaker trying to pronounce Spanish words. Just like people who learned English as a second language, there is an accent. If he feels the need to pronounce the name in such a matter, he should get it right. Yer-reebay is wrong, but so is how he pronounces it. But I see your :rolleyes:, and raise you a :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

http://www.spanishlinguistinteractive.com (http://www.spanishlinguistinteractive.com/)

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 11:34 PM
No, you are still wrong. If he feels the need to pretentiously and unnecessarily go overboard in the pronunciation, he should at least get it right. I speak Spanish, and it is easy to tell the sound of a non-native speaker trying to pronounce Spanish words. Just like people who learned English as a second language, there is an accent. If he feels the need to pronounce the name in such a matter, he should get it right. Yer-reebay is wrong, but so is how he pronounces it. But I see your :rolleyes:, and raise you a :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

So the regular pronunciation is wrong, and his pronunciation is wrong, but he's worse because he's at least trying to pronounce it correctly? So either he has to be a native speaker, or he should anglicize the word and not even try to pronounce it correctly.

Sorry, no sale.

voodoochile
05-18-2008, 11:36 PM
This is hilarious... I mean honestly, only at WSI...

:whocares:

Vernam
05-18-2008, 11:39 PM
By the way, does anyone know the rule DJ was talking about that would allow the official scorer to give the win to Masset? He was saying it would probably be Thornton, but due to circumstances, the scorer had the option to give it to Masset.Maybe because Swisher was pinch hitting for Thornton when Swisher hit his three-run double? I'm rusty on the whole National League pinch-hit-for-the-pitcher official scoring, but I'd think the option would be whether to give the W to Thornton (who actually blew a save but was still the pitcher of record when Swisher batted) or to Dotel (who clearly didn't deserve a victory after walking three guys on 12 pitches!). For Masset to get the save seems appropriate, and there's no way he could get the win, IMO, because he didn't enter the game 'til after the winning run was scored. Although you could say the same of Dotel. :dunno:

Vernam

Hitmen77
05-18-2008, 11:40 PM
Great road trip. We still need the offense to wake up (this means you Konerko, Thome, Cabrera, and Swisher!). Nice to be heading back home, but we'll be facing some tough teams the next couple of weeks.

Great to see OC with 2 HRs today. Maybe he's coming around. Great pinch double by Swisher. Maybe this will snap him out of his slump.

Also, reserves have looked impressive. Ramirez looked good this weekend. Anderson with a double today. Even one of WSI's favorite punching bags (Toby Hall) has been hitting the ball well of late.

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 11:41 PM
This is hilarious... I mean honestly, only at WSI...

:whocares:

Apparently a lot of people care, because it seems like there's always someone bitching about Miller trying to pronounce Uribe's name correctly (fail as he might)

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 11:43 PM
So the regular pronunciation is wrong, and his pronunciation is wrong, but he's worse because he's at least trying to pronounce it correctly? So either he has to be a native speaker, or he should anglicize the word and not even try to pronounce it correctly.

Sorry, no sale.

Well, that is for you to decide. Someone said they were annoyed with his pronunciation. You said you didn't understand why, since his pronunciation is correct. I merely told you it was also incorrect. It might be no more wrong than the regular pronunciation, but that wasn't the issue. The issue is that people are annoyed by his incorrect pronunciation, since this comes up every time we are on Sunday night.

voodoochile
05-18-2008, 11:44 PM
By the way, does anyone know the rule DJ was talking about that would allow the official scorer to give the win to Masset? He was saying it would probably be Thornton, but due to circumstances, the scorer had the option to give it to Masset.

It's called the "Short and ineffective" rule. Say a pitcher comes in with two outs and a 4 run lead, walks the bases loaded and then gives up a slam before retiring the final batter of the inning. The next inning his team takes the lead for good, but a new reliever takes over in the bottom half of the inning. The official scorer can effectively give the win to the next reliever claiming the guy who gave up the huge lead in a brief stint doesn't deserve to get it.

It's a discretionary call you don't see very often.

fquaye149
05-18-2008, 11:46 PM
Well, that is for you to decide. Someone said they were annoyed with his pronunciation. You said you didn't understand why, since his pronunciation is correct. I merely told you it was also incorrect. It might be no more wrong than the regular pronunciation, but that wasn't the issue. The issue is that people are annoyed by his incorrect pronunciation, since this comes up every time we are on Sunday night.

It just seems odd that no one complains about Hawk pronouncing it blatantly incorrectly.

I personally don't care. Say a name however you want to. I suppose if you want to make sure everyone knows you're an expert on Spanish, that's your prerogative

Me personally, I speak Spanish as well, and have spent time in Spanish speaking countries, and don't see what the big deal is.

TheOldRoman
05-18-2008, 11:50 PM
It's called the "Short and ineffective" rule. Say a pitcher comes in with two outs and a 4 run lead, walks the bases loaded and then gives up a slam before retiring the final batter of the inning. The next inning his team takes the lead for good, but a new reliever takes over in the bottom half of the inning. The official scorer can effectively give the win to the next reliever claiming the guy who gave up the huge lead in a brief stint doesn't deserve to get it.

It's a discretionary call you don't see very often.

Wow. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

Zisk77
05-18-2008, 11:58 PM
Whats so hard about pronouncing Juan?:scratch:

kittle42
05-19-2008, 12:00 AM
Even if it's correct in spanish, it still bugs me.

Like tonight--Carlos bel-TRON.

Can't stand it.


That's his name.

sox1970
05-19-2008, 12:04 AM
That's his name.

I prefer anglicized pronunciations. Sue me.

voodoochile
05-19-2008, 12:08 AM
Wow. I guess you really do learn something new every day.

Here's More - see section 10.17 winning and losing pitchers

http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/official_rules/official_scorer_10.jsp

It talks about effective and ineffective appearances. In fact it isn't a given that a relief pitcher ever be awarded the win simply because they were the pitcher of record when the team took the lead for the final time.

It's always a discretionary call for relievers especially in games where the starter doesn't make it through 5 innings due to injury or rain delay or suspended game (for example) and not due to getting shelled.

RadioheadRocks
05-19-2008, 12:09 AM
Look on the bright side, at least it's nothing like that clown Kirk Gimemez on ESPN who always exaggerates the living hell out of the pronunciations of Hispanic player names.

PalehosePlanet
05-19-2008, 12:12 AM
Agree 100%. We now carry two 1 batter specialists (Wasserman & Logan) and I think this can tax the bullpen in the long run.

Wasserman has to go for a better arm.

Huh?? Boone has pitched 9 1-2-3 innings this year. He's much better than you think.

HomeFish
05-19-2008, 12:14 AM
I'm not a native Spanish speaker, nor do I speak Spanish well, but I took advanced Spanish in high school and know what the correct pronunciation sounds like, even if I can't make it myself. To me, an obvious anglicization sounds better than a exaggerated mispronunciation. It seems that "I know I can't get it right, so I won't butcher it" is more respectful to the language and its native speakers.

But some native speakers I know think the opposite, and say that they prefer people who "at least try". So who knows.

Eddo144
05-19-2008, 12:26 AM
Huh?? Boone has pitched 9 1-2-3 innings this year. He's much better than you think.
I think LoveYourSuit was not so much saying that Logan is only good enough to pitch to one batter, but rather that Ozzie tends to use any lefty in the bullpen as a LOOGY (I remember in '05, being infuriated that he'd bring in Cotts to face a single batter (this was when Cotts was unhittable from either side of the plate)).

However, your point stands, that Logan has indeed pitched enough three-out innings to rebuke the statement.

One minor question: where did you get the data for number of 1-2-3 innings? Just digging around baseball-reference/retrosheet/old box scores? Or is there a site that lists that sort of thing?

TDog
05-19-2008, 01:31 AM
God bless the Giants. Any other team playing the Sox today would have won 8-4.

The more I read this thread, the more I have to shake my head and roll my eyes at this post. The White Sox scored their first six runs on four home runs against a very good pitcher who pitched very well for the first four innings. Maybe one of the two-run homers should have been caught, as if robbing hitters of home runs is routine. The last seven runs came against a pretty good bullpen without the benefit of home runs, but with some solid hitting. Many teams don't have the Giants' pitching, and the Sox scored in every inning from the fifth on.

Is this supposed to pass as analysis? Maybe against any other team, Masset comes in instead of Wasserman. But I dare not ask where these numbers came from.

JB98
05-19-2008, 02:01 AM
Masset was the hero today. That eighth inning had disaster written all over it, but he kept throwing groundballs until our infielders were finally able to turn a damn DP and get out of there.

Nice to see so many hitters contributing to the offense today. I think every Sox position player who got in, including the pinch-hitters, either scored a run or drove in a run in this game.

Nellie_Fox
05-19-2008, 02:09 AM
The more I read this thread, the more I have to shake my head and roll my eyes at this post. The White Sox scored their first six runs on four home runs against a very good pitcher who pitched very well for the first four innings. Maybe one of the two-run homers should have been caught, as if robbing hitters of home runs is routine. The last seven runs came against a pretty good bullpen without the benefit of home runs, but with some solid hitting. Many teams don't have the Giants' pitching, and the Sox scored in every inning from the fifth on.

Is this supposed to pass as analysis? Maybe against any other team, Masset comes in instead of Wasserman. But I dare not ask where these numbers came from.It's HomeFish. Nothing is ever good in his world. Pay no attention.

itsnotrequired
05-19-2008, 07:03 AM
Huh?? Boone has pitched 9 1-2-3 innings this year. He's much better than you think.

Looking quickly at his game logs, there are four games were he faced only three batters in 1.0 IP without giving up a hit/walk. I didn't check to see if any of those 1.0 innings pitched extended across multiple innings or not. On April 20 he threw 2 complete innings (8th and 9th) and put them down 1-2-3 in the 8th only. On may 11, he had 1.0 IP and only faced three guys but gave up a hit. The runner was erased on a double play.

So I count at most 5 1-2-3 innings on the season. There may be less.

spawn
05-19-2008, 08:15 AM
To quote Monty Python: "Why not look on the bright side of life?"

Interestingly, I was just having a conversation with a Sox fan about the Dark Cloudiness on this site. Yes, the wheels can come off for the Sox. Or the Indians. Or the Twins. Or any other team. It's MAY, for heaven's sake!

But as SoxGirl4Life points out, it is what it is. And we have a lot to be happy about right now.
WORD!

Droso5
05-19-2008, 10:11 AM
It's HomeFish. Nothing is ever good in his world. Pay no attention.

What an incredibly depressing existence.:whiner: I'm sure HomeFish was upset over the White Sox WS victory as well, I mean, they didn't light up the score-board during the Series. Cheer up old boy! I'm sure this team will tank and you can sit back and mumble "I told you so".:dtroll:

markopat
05-19-2008, 10:50 AM
I am damn happy....

I love the winning way!!!

ALWAYS look on the bright side of Life!

Go Go SOX!

:bandance:

A.T. Money
05-19-2008, 10:56 AM
I love the fact that they are beating teams they are supposed to beat despite not hitting in the clutch and not playing their best baseball.

Good to win games when you aren't playing all that well.

kittle42
05-19-2008, 11:33 AM
It's HomeFish. Nothing is ever good in his world. Pay no attention.

He's still complaining that they lost one game in the 2005 playoffs and only won Game 4 in Houston 1-0. Crappy offense!

chisoxfanatic
05-19-2008, 03:10 PM
What an outstanding performance the past five days! Our starting pitching definitely shows signs for a potentially solid entire year. I'm liking each and every one of them so far. With warmer weather coming up, our hitting should heat up as well just in time for a slew of home games.

Danks definitely deserves major props here. He has some outstanding composure out there! I know San Francisco isn't the greatest of teams; but, good teams are able to win like the Sox did this weekend. They take advantage when given a small opening. I'm very proud of this team and think they're gonna continue this run they're on.

I certainly am looking forward to getting to the ballpark tomorrow.

russ99
05-19-2008, 03:17 PM
So be aware of factors that yell, "downfall". Like Octavio Dotel's performance today.

As I said, his absolutely filthy fastball (all 3, but especially the last one) to strike out Winn with the bases loaded Saturday night buys Dotel some slack for yesterday's struggles to hit the strike zone. I'm sure he'll be fine with a day off and a side session with Coop.

Foulke You
05-19-2008, 04:01 PM
As I said, his absolutely filthy fastball (all 3, but especially the last one) to strike out Winn with the bases loaded Saturday night buys Dotel some slack for yesterday's struggles to hit the strike zone. I'm sure he'll be fine with a day off and a side session with Coop.
I think Dotel was suffering from some fatigue there and Ozzie left him in there for too long to allow the bases to get loaded. Prior to that appearance yesterday, Dotel was looking pretty unhittable.

Mohoney
05-19-2008, 09:20 PM
If the scheduling gets any worse, teams will be having Fridays or Saturdays off.

I don't think you will ever have to worry about seeing that happen. Nobody would want to lose that kind of revenue. I think that all 30 teams would be in unison against that.

I don't understand why day-night doubleheaders are impossible to schedule, especially before off-days. Make sure it's equitable (maybe each team has one a month, for a grand total of 90 a year throughout MLB), and make sure it's day-night so the revenue isn't lost. That could ease some of this scheduling crunch.

Of course, eliminating unbalanced schedules and interleague play would also help, but it seems that MLB is reluctant to change either of these aspects of the game.

TDog
05-19-2008, 09:59 PM
I don't think you will ever have to worry about seeing that happen. Nobody would want to lose that kind of revenue. I think that all 30 teams would be in unison against that.

I don't understand why day-night doubleheaders are impossible to schedule, especially before off-days. Make sure it's equitable (maybe each team has one a month, for a grand total of 90 a year throughout MLB), and make sure it's day-night so the revenue isn't lost. That could ease some of this scheduling crunch.

Of course, eliminating unbalanced schedules and interleague play would also help, but it seems that MLB is reluctant to change either of these aspects of the game.

The Padres some years ago (late 1980s or early 1990s) had a Saturday at home off. I believe it had something to do with Jack Murphy Stadium being overbooked. As I recall, the Padres played a single-admission doubleheader the next day. I'm sure none of the players complained about having a Saturday off in San Diego.

People whined for years about the balanced schedule, about how teams played more games out of their division. I have a problem with there being three divisions so you have to have a wild card, but I don't have any problem with the unbalanced schedule.

Tragg
05-19-2008, 10:21 PM
If you have divisions, you need an unbalanced schedule.

DickAllen72
05-19-2008, 11:29 PM
Uribe is a sex-starved idiot.
:?: :scratch: