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Viva Medias B's
05-11-2008, 06:13 PM
The thread title is a play on something Ed O'Bradovich bellowed on a Bears postgame show a few years ago to highlight the Bears' anemic offense ("There's something in football called the ENDZONE!") We should have scored far more runs than we did today. Jim Thome is absolutely killing us, but he is not the only one killing us. Right, Swish?

And now we go to Anahem. For four games. :praying:

Madscout
05-11-2008, 06:15 PM
Looked good in the first. **** the rest of the game. At least we squeaked out 11 hits though.

Cuck the Fubs
05-11-2008, 06:15 PM
Swish needs to kick it up a notch or three..........Thome too.

turners56
05-11-2008, 06:16 PM
We should of scored 4 off of Batista in the first. Gavin didn't have his stuff today whatsoever. But the thing is, we had so many opportunities in the first 3 innings to score at least 7-8 runs and it never happened.

WhiteSox5187
05-11-2008, 06:16 PM
Well, we took two out of three and I don't mind losing one but when there are THAT many scoring opportunities wasted, it gets aggravating. Oh well, onto Anahiem.

turners56
05-11-2008, 06:17 PM
Swish needs to kick it up a notch or three..........Thome too.

Swisher looked awful. Anderson wasn't much better. Thome is looking like the way he did back in Toronto. I'm afraid this offense is back to can't-hit mode. Now we have to face one of the best teams in the AL, we should of had a sweep.

whitesoxfan
05-11-2008, 06:17 PM
At least we won 2 out of 3 at a place we really haven't had much success at.

I'm going for some positives here.

KyWhiSoxFan
05-11-2008, 06:18 PM
Leaving way too many people on base. They should have had 4 runs by the end of the third inning. The whole team was responsible for poor situational hitting.

KingXerxes
05-11-2008, 06:18 PM
I do wonder how long they can allow Swisher an everyday spot in the line up - he really is struggling.

I know everybody says he's a great guy in the club house etc. etc. and a team leader etc. etc. - but so was Jose Valentin and the White Sox never won anything until he was gone. Hopefully he'll snap out of this, but it is almost mid-May and he doesn't seem to be showing any signs of doing so.

Soxman219
05-11-2008, 06:18 PM
:puking:<Insert incredibly overused chunks tag>

Just win 4 in Anaheim please!

Vernam
05-11-2008, 06:19 PM
Part of me feels bad for Thome, because it's tough seeing such a classy guy hit the wall like this. But when he's up with men on second and third, Sox down by two, righty on the mound, and they pitch to him rather than intentionally walk him to set up a double play . . . Well, that's a sign of major disrespect for our #3 hitter. Thome strikes out, and THEN they issue the intentional pass to Konerko after there are already two outs.

EDIT: My bad! I was listening in the car w/ kids present and didn't hear the pitching change to Rhodes, lefty. Big difference, but I'm still really tired of Thome in the three hole.:redface:

Hard to be down about winning 2 of 3 anywhere on the west coast, but Seattle has been completely awful and today's game was there for the taking. Oh, well.

Vernam

Chicken Dinner
05-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Not taking advantage of key situations will not win you a lot of Bgames.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 06:24 PM
Summary:

Ozzie managed bad. Masset should have been in there after one batter in the 4th. Dye should have pinch hit against Rhodes.

Thome is done batting 3rd. Enough is enough.

Wassermann--he deserved to make the team out of spring training. He deserved to come up when he did. But the major leagues is a place of performance. He's looking bad so far. I'd probably give him one more bad outing before thinking about replacing him. Russell and Day are pitching pretty good at Charlotte.

Sockinchisox
05-11-2008, 06:28 PM
It's all Rongey's fault.

SoxGirl4Life
05-11-2008, 06:30 PM
It's all Rongey's fault.


I was waiting for someone to say that!! lol

I'm glad we won the series--Onward to Anaheim

It's Dankerific
05-11-2008, 06:32 PM
I was waiting for someone to say that!! lol

I'm glad we won the series--Onward to Anaheim

Yea, I'm angling to get some good seats now. there are so many available tickets in the aftermarket but they havent approached reasonable prices yet (for close field level tickets). i may try and pick them up outside the ballpark.

Stringer
05-11-2008, 06:35 PM
Gavin pitched poorly

We couldn't drive in a run to save our lives

Its just one of those games.

santo=dorf
05-11-2008, 06:36 PM
Why is Thome getting more flack than say AJ or Crede?

Thome, 1-4, RBI, 1BB, 3 LOB
AJ, 1-4, RBI, 1BB, 5 LOB
Crede, 1-4, 1 BB, 4 LOB


It could've been worse if Floyd wasn't bailed out by a blown call at first and Nick Massett

sox1970
05-11-2008, 06:40 PM
Why is Thome getting more flack than say AJ or Crede?

He bats third and makes 14 million.

Lip Man 1
05-11-2008, 06:42 PM
If memory serves this was Floyd's first really poor outing of the season. It will be interesting to see how he reacts to it with his next start.

Lip

SoxGirl4Life
05-11-2008, 06:44 PM
Who's on the post game talking for ALL Sox fans?

"Thome better watch out because you're going to hear about it the next time"

JB98
05-11-2008, 06:45 PM
Gavin pitched poorly

We couldn't drive in a run to save our lives

Its just one of those games.

That sums it up. You go up and down the lineup, and pretty much every Sox hitter had a chance to get a big hit and lift the team up. They all failed.

Crede killed a rally in the first. Quentin hit into a DP in the second. Anderson made a weak out with the bases loaded in the third. First two men aboard in the fifth, Pierzynski, Crede and Swisher couldn't get anything done. Thome and Pierzynski had poor ABs against Rhodes in the sixth. On and on and on.

I know that Thome is going to be a scapegoat here every single time we lose a ballgame, but today was truly a team loss.

Big Jim can't seem to please anybody here. You Thome-haters got your damn opposite field single in the first inning. That knocked in our first run. Thome also drew a leadoff walk in the fifth. Let's not act as if he's the only player who failed in the clutch today.

Viva Medias B's
05-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Rongey is getting really testy with callers.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Rongey is making a fool of himself this time. Thome deserves to be bashed.

Thome against relief pitchers update: 4-39 (.103), with 19 K's.

SoxGirl4Life
05-11-2008, 06:48 PM
Rongey is getting really testy with callers.


With good reason.

DickAllen72
05-11-2008, 06:49 PM
Swish needs to kick it up a notch or three..........Thome too.
Dye should have been put in to pinch hit for Thome when there were runners on second and third back in the fifth or sixth inning.

For a guy whose sole job is to hit -- and he gets paid extremely well to do it-- he sure does poorly late in games in clutch situations no matter what kind of stats he puts up.

JB98
05-11-2008, 06:50 PM
With good reason.

I agree. We have a lot of idiot fans. Most of them call Rongey after losses. Hell, a lot of them call Rongey after wins and find reason to complain.

DickAllen72
05-11-2008, 06:51 PM
Rongey is making a fool of himself this time. Thome deserves to be bashed.

Thome against relief pitchers update: 3-39 (.103), with 19 K's.

That stat says it all. I don't care about OPS, OBP, or any other BS. A team's high priced DH batting in the third slot is supposed to hit in the clutch late in games in big situations.

Chicken Dinner
05-11-2008, 06:53 PM
We didn't play well today.....but, we still got the series. LA just lost 4 to the Rays. Keep the heat on.

Brian26
05-11-2008, 06:55 PM
That last call to Rongey by Rudy from Dekalb was classic.

Viva Medias B's
05-11-2008, 06:55 PM
We didn't play well today.....but, we still got the series. LA just lost 4 to the Rays. Keep the heat on.

The Rays and the Marlins could provide Florida baseball fans a lot of excitment. Meanwhile, Rongey's arugment is that Thome was not PH for because it was the 6th inning. He does have a point there.

Brian26
05-11-2008, 06:58 PM
Rongey is making a fool of himself this time. Thome deserves to be bashed.

Thome against relief pitchers update: 4-39 (.103), with 19 K's.

I like Rongey, but Rudy from Dekalb owned him. Rongey's saying Dye could not pinch hit for Thome in the 6th because Dye had the day off, but it would have been ok for Dye to PH in the 9th. Rudy made a point that Thome was the DH, Dye would have only had one extra at-bat.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 06:58 PM
The Rays and the Marlins could provide Florida baseball fans a lot of excitment. Meanwhile, Rongey's arugment is that Thome was not PH for because it was the 6th inning. He does have a point there.

Dye could have pinch hit and finished the game as the DH. Yes, it's a day off, but the situation called for Dye to pinch hit. Thome can't hit LOOGYs.

The bigger issue is that Thome doesn't belong in the 3-hole anymore.

DickAllen72
05-11-2008, 06:58 PM
Big Jim can't seem to please anybody here. You Thome-haters got your damn opposite field single in the first inning. That knocked in our first run. Thome also drew a leadoff walk in the fifth. Let's not act as if he's the only player who failed in the clutch today.
Thing is, those other players don't get paid as much as Thome, aren't penciled in the three slot every game, and contribute on defense as well as at the plate.

AJ, for example, has to take a beating day in and day out squatting behind the plate, blocking errant pitches, taking foul tips off the body, calling games etc. All Thome is paid to do is sit in the dugout and watch the game and bat about four times a day. He's a specialist and gets paid a lot of money to do one thing. It's perfectly correct to expect much more out of him in clutch situations at the plate than say AJ or Crede. The problem is, it seems a guy like Crede comes through in those situations a lot more often than Big Jim.

JB98
05-11-2008, 06:59 PM
The Rays and the Marlins could provide Florida baseball fans a lot of excitment. Meanwhile, Rongey's arugment is that Thome was not PH for because it was the 6th inning. He does have a point there.

Yeah, I agree with Rongey there. If it had been the 8th inning, I believe those who wanted Dye to PH would have a strong case.

SoxGirl4Life
05-11-2008, 07:01 PM
Do people think Ozzie calls Rongey for advice on the line-up?

Chicken Dinner
05-11-2008, 07:02 PM
Yeah, Rongey is the best Manager we ever had. :shocked:

DickAllen72
05-11-2008, 07:02 PM
Part of me feels bad for Thome, because it's tough seeing such a classy guy hit the wall like this. But when he's up with men on second and third, Sox down by two, righty on the mound, and they pitch to him rather than intentionally walk him to set up a double play . . . Well, that's a sign of major disrespect for our #3 hitter. Thome strikes out, and THEN they issue the intentional pass to Konerko after there are already two outs.

EDIT: My bad! I was listening in the car w/ kids present and didn't hear the pitching change to Rhodes, lefty. Big difference, but I'm still really tired of Thome in the three hole.:redface:

That's when Ozzie should have pinch hit Dye for Thome. But I guess that would be disrespectful. Besides, Jim needs those PAs so his 2009 option kicks in.

JB98
05-11-2008, 07:03 PM
Thing is, those other players don't get paid as much as Thome, aren't penciled in the three slot every game, and contribute on defense as well as at the plate.

AJ, for example, has to take a beating day in and day out squatting behind the plate, blocking errant pitches, taking foul tips off the body, calling games etc. All Thome is paid to do is sit in the dugout and watch the game and bat about four times a day. He's a specialist and gets paid a lot of money to do one thing. It's perfectly correct to expect much more out of him in clutch situations at the plate than say AJ or Crede. The problem is, it seems a guy like Crede comes through in those situations a lot more often than Big Jim.

Thome has had a poor year so far. There's no question about that. I'm just not going to bail on him and say he's done 36 games into the season. It isn't like his struggles have caused us to fall out of the pennant race.

Like you, I expect more from Jim. However, I still have faith in him. As for the No. 3 spot in the order, we don't have any .300 hitters on this club. I don't think we have a true No. 3 hitter, but somebody has got to bat there.

DickAllen72
05-11-2008, 07:07 PM
Thome has had a poor year so far. There's no question about that. I'm just not going to bail on him and say he's done 36 games into the season. It isn't like his struggles have caused us to fall out of the pennant race.

Like you, I expect more from Jim. However, I still have faith in him. As for the No. 3 spot in the order, we don't have any .300 hitters on this club. I don't think we have a true No. 3 hitter, but somebody has got to bat there.
I wouldn't completely bail on Thome yet, but he shouldn't be treated as if he were still the Jim Thome of years past. Bat him fifth. Pinch hit for him against lefty relievers in clutch situations when you have a hot hitting Dye on the bench. Sit him against left handed starters and let Dye or Konerko DH those days to keep them all fresh while allowing BA to get more time in CF.

I'd rather see Dye or Quentin batting third than Thome.

Soxman219
05-11-2008, 07:08 PM
We didn't play well today.....but, we still got the series. LA just lost 4 to the Rays. Keep the heat on.

I agree. We face a pitcher with an 11.37 ERA tomorrow and we historically play well in Anaheim. We have to win tomorrow to set the tone for this upcoming series.

Viva Medias B's
05-11-2008, 07:09 PM
You know, if we fire Ozzie and replace him with all these morons who call Rongey (a "College of Coaches" approach to managing), I am sure we won't lose a game ever again.

It's Dankerific
05-11-2008, 07:10 PM
That's when Ozzie should have pinch hit Dye for Thome. But I guess that would be disrespectful. Besides, Jim needs those PAs so his 2009 option kicks in.

I really don't think you worry about an additional at bat for jim when we needed to get THAT run from 2nd home in THAT 6th inning. And guess what, its not JUST about Thome. By letting Thome hit, you not only let him do his LOOGY K, but take the bat OUT of Konerko's hands ---> make AJ ALSO hit against a LOOGY. Guess what, team is more important. our chances of winning that game were much higher to let dye PH there instead of some hopeful at bat in the future where MAYBE thome has a chance to drive home a run (or a solo shot is meaningful) AND its against a pitcher he has half a chance at.

Sockinchisox
05-11-2008, 07:10 PM
Man, the postgame show is pure comedy.

SoxGirl4Life
05-11-2008, 07:12 PM
Man, the postgame show is pure comedy.


"I know the Sox pay you to say nice things about them"

DickAllen72
05-11-2008, 07:12 PM
I really don't think you worry about an additional at bat for jim when we needed to get THAT run from 2nd home in THAT 6th inning. And guess what, its not JUST about Thome. By letting Thome hit, you not only let him do his LOOGY K, but take the bat OUT of Konerko's hands ---> make AJ ALSO hit against a LOOGY. Guess what, team is more important. our chances of winning that game were much higher to let dye PH there instead of some hopeful at bat in the future where MAYBE thome has a chance to drive home a run (or a solo shot is meaningful) AND its against a pitcher he has half a chance at.

Excellent points. :thumbsup:

Viva Medias B's
05-11-2008, 07:19 PM
Well, a caller claims that Dye should have pinch hit in the 6th because Soriano pinch hit in the 8th at Wrigley today.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Brian26
05-11-2008, 07:20 PM
Caller just said the WSCR producer told him to "lay off the Thome stuff." This is brutal.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 07:24 PM
At least drop Thome to 5.

I'd try this:

Cabrera-SS
Pierzynski-C
Quentin-LF
Konerko-1B
Thome-DH
Dye-RF
Swisher-CF
Crede-3B
Uribe-2B

Bench Thome against most lefties. Pinch hit for him in LOOGY situations.

JohnTucker0814
05-11-2008, 07:30 PM
At least drop Thome to 5.

I'd try this:

Cabrera-SS
Pierzynski-C
Quentin-LF
Konerko-1B
Thome-DH
Dye-RF
Swisher-CF
Crede-3B
Uribe-2B

Bench Thome against most lefties. Pinch hit for him in LOOGY situations.

I wouldn't want Dye batting 6th, he's our best hitter right now other than Quentin... I'd go with a line-up like this:

1. Cabrera SS
2. Quentin LF
3. Dye RF
4. Konerko 1B
5. Thome DH
6. Crede 3B
7. Pierzynski C
8. Swisher/Anderson CF
9. Uribe 2B

I would also play a platoon of Anderson/Dye/Swisher/Thome... There is no reason why we can't get Anderson in CF 3 out of every 5 games... giving a rotation of Dye/Swisher/Thome days off.

I wish Ozzie would quit using the excuse that Thome is a HOFer and thats why he doesn't get pinch hit for... that was enexusable not to pinch hit for him in that situation since Dye was on the bench. If the ony choices to pinch hit were Ozuna, Anderson, etc... then let Thome hit... but when you have one of our hottest hitters for the past week wasting away on the bench... that would have at least given us a chance to get those two runs in that would have TIED the game at the time! At least you get the run in from 3rd with contact and it's a 1 run game... ugh! Frustrating... this team is!

regionsox73
05-11-2008, 07:31 PM
At least drop Thome to 5.

I'd try this:

Cabrera-SS
Pierzynski-C
Quentin-LF
Konerko-1B
Thome-DH
Dye-RF
Swisher-CF
Crede-3B
Uribe-2B

Bench Thome against most lefties. Pinch hit for him in LOOGY situations.

I don't know what the solution is- Cabrera is not a true leadoff man, but he does lead the team in SB. AJ 2nd? That probably won't work. You want some speed in the 2 spot. Possibility of scoring from second- AJ is station to station. Face it. We are doomed with this lineup until November.

TDog
05-11-2008, 07:33 PM
Swish needs to kick it up a notch or three..........Thome too.

Swisher and Pierzynski left five men on base today. Crede left four. Anderson, Quentin and Thome left three, but Quentin and Thome each drove in a run. Swisher actually left seven men on base if you include his walk with two out and two on when the team needed a hit. (Yet people still insist on getting excited about on-base percentage with runners in scoring position.)

The White Sox lost today primarily because Floyd didn't pitch very well. Actually, the way Floyd pitched today, it could have been worse, and the Sox were still in the game. Not only did the Sox get the benefit of the Mariners hitting into doubleplays, but Suzuki sacrificed a runner to third in an inning where the Mariners left the bases loaded, even though he is the best hitter on the team and naturally hits to the right side.

Secondarily, the Sox didn't win because they didn't hit with runners in scoring position. In the sixth, Rhodes came in to face Thome with one out and two on, which was tough because it was still early in the game and there was a chance Thome would come up with a chance to tie it against a right-hander later. The Sox couldn't pinch-hit for Pierzynski who made the final out in the inning because, not only was it only the sixth inning, but substituting Hall on defense would be a problem.

This was another one of those games where the White Sox had hitters up in a position a position to drive in the runs that would have won the game, but the hitters didn't come through. This was a team loss.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 07:34 PM
I wouldn't want Dye batting 6th, he's our best hitter right now other than Quentin... I'd go with a line-up like this:

1. Cabrera SS
2. Quentin LF
3. Dye RF
4. Konerko 1B
5. Thome DH
6. Crede 3B
7. Pierzynski C
8. Swisher/Anderson CF
9. Uribe 2B

I would also play a platoon of Anderson/Dye/Swisher/Thome... There is no reason why we can't get Anderson in CF 3 out of every 5 games... giving a rotation of Dye/Swisher/Thome days off.

I wish Ozzie would quit using the excuse that Thome is a HOFer and thats why he doesn't get pinch hit for... that was inexusable not to pinch hit for him in that situation since Dye was on the bench. If the ony choices to pinch hit were Ozuna, Anderson, etc... then let Thome hit... but when you have one of our hottest hitters for the past week wasting away on the bench... that would have at least given us a chance to get those two runs in that would have TIED the game at the time! At least you get the run in from 3rd with contact and it's a 1 run game... ugh! Frustrating... this team is!

Yeah, I can buy that lineup too. I seem to remember Dye doing well in the 3-hole a few years ago. Hopefully they can hang on until July and make a nice trade for a leadoff guy. *cough* Brian Roberts*cough*

champagne030
05-11-2008, 07:37 PM
Do people think Ozzie calls Rongey for advice on the line-up?

No. I think it's more like Inny Minnie Miny Moe or this little piggy went to the market, this little piggy get stayed home and this little piggy gets to play catcher........

Jerko
05-11-2008, 07:40 PM
Floyd sucked today because Ozzie didn't leave him in for the CG the other night. Ruined his confidence taking him out after just one hit.

Sockinchisox
05-11-2008, 07:45 PM
Looks like the Twins are going to reclaim 1st place, they're up 5-0.

regionsox73
05-11-2008, 07:47 PM
Twins are not letting Boston off the hook like we did with the Mariners. Go for the jugular early.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 07:51 PM
Looks like the Twins are going to reclaim 1st place, they're up 5-0.

It's really six weeks off the schedule and everyone is even. The team that plays the best from here on out, wins. I like the Sox pitching-starting and bullpen. If they get hitting, this team should win unless Ozzie ****s it up like he did today.

JB98
05-11-2008, 07:52 PM
Yeah, I can buy that lineup too. I seem to remember Dye doing well in the 3-hole a few years ago. Hopefully they can hang on until July and make a nice trade for a leadoff guy. *cough* Brian Roberts*cough*

Do you have any numbers that support the statement that Dye hits well in the 3-hole? I've always thought No. 5 was his best spot statistically.

If Konerko ever gets hot, it will help Thome out. No one is afraid to walk Thome right now, because they feel they can get Paul out. If Konerko starts hitting, pitchers may be forced to throw Thome more fastballs, instead of the steady diet of breaking pitches he is seeing right now.

Thome is having trouble laying off the bad breaking balls down right now.

JB98
05-11-2008, 07:54 PM
It's really six weeks off the schedule and everyone is even. The team that plays the best from here on out, wins. I like the Sox pitching-starting and bullpen. If they get hitting, this team should win unless Ozzie ****s it up like he did today.

Ozzie didn't **** anything up today. We had quite a few ballplayers who ****ed up in RBI situations, and our starting pitcher did not have it today.

Not of that is the manager's fault.

It's Dankerific
05-11-2008, 07:57 PM
Ozzie didn't **** anything up today. We had quite a few ballplayers who ****ed up in RBI situations, and our starting pitcher did not have it today.

Not of that is the manager's fault.

Some people don't think anything is ever the manager's fault. just because other people ****ed up things today, doesnt mean Ozzie didnt **** some **** up himself.

sox1970
05-11-2008, 07:58 PM
Do you have any numbers that support the statement that Dye hits well in the 3-hole? I've always thought No. 5 was his best spot statistically.

His career average at 3 is .262. At 5, it's .265.

I was more referring to his 14-45 (.311) October, 2005.

2005!!!1!

TomBradley72
05-11-2008, 07:58 PM
One of the toughest decisions a manager has to make, is when is it "time" to adjust the playing time of a future Hall of Famer, great guy, etc.

But the results speak for themselves...Thome can't hit lefties and he's struggling enormously against relievers. The team HAS to come first and it's time to make the adjustments. Thome needs to be dropped to 5th or 6th in the batting order,he needs to sit against lefty starters, and Ozzie needs to pinch hit for him (when it makes sense) against LOOGYs.

champagne030
05-11-2008, 08:04 PM
One of the toughest decisions a manager has to make, is when is it "time" to adjust the playing time of a future Hall of Famer, great guy, etc.



The next toughest decision for a manager is if they should put their best defensive team on the field in the 9th inning of a game, in which your pitcher has a no-no going.....:cool:

TDog
05-11-2008, 08:04 PM
Some people don't think anything is ever the manager's fault. just because other people ****ed up things today, doesnt mean Ozzie didnt **** some **** up himself.

Players failed multiple times to drive in runs with runners in scoring position. After Sox hitters failed multiple times the Sox even had Thome hitting against a right-hander as the tying run in the eighth inning.

People act like Guillen flashed the "lose" sign.

Chicken Dinner
05-11-2008, 08:06 PM
Floyd didn't have it today.......end of story. The LOB has been going on all year so why would it all of a sudden change today.

JB98
05-11-2008, 08:08 PM
Players failed multiple times to drive in runs with runners in scoring position. After Sox hitters failed multiple times the Sox even had Thome hitting against a right-hander as the tying run in the eighth inning.

People act like Guillen flashed the "lose" sign.

I agree completely. Guillen isn't perfect, but I can't think of any errors in strategy that cost us the game today.

However, I can think of several bad pitches from Gavin Floyd, and I can think of several bad ABs from Sox hitters.

Team loss.

thomas35forever
05-11-2008, 08:32 PM
We all said the Sox needed 2 of 3 in Seattle. They got just that. Let's move onward to Anaheim and win two more at least.

Chicken Dinner
05-11-2008, 08:44 PM
We all said the Sox needed 2 of 3 in Seattle. They got just that. Let's move onward to Anaheim and win two more at least.

I'd be good with that> :smile:

BadBobbyJenks
05-11-2008, 08:46 PM
Sweeping is overrated anyways.

soxtalker
05-11-2008, 09:07 PM
A sweep would have been good, though it is good to see the base hits. LA is an important match. The Angels have been playing well.

goofymsfan
05-11-2008, 09:11 PM
Thanks for letting the M's get at least one win, and best of luck against the Halos. Take 'um down a few more notches!

gobears1987
05-11-2008, 09:14 PM
There were some real idiots calling into the postgame show. I feel for Ranger. He has the toughest job imaginable.

itsnotrequired
05-11-2008, 09:19 PM
Sweeping is overrated anyways.

Triples are better than home runs! Home runs kill rallies!

BadBobbyJenks
05-11-2008, 10:02 PM
Triples are better than home runs! Home runs kill rallies!

Walks are the same as hits!

SoxSpeed22
05-11-2008, 10:41 PM
There were some real idiots calling into the postgame show. I feel for Ranger. He has the toughest job imaginable.Most of the questions were about not pinch-hitting Thome when everyone knew he would strike out against Rhodes. A day off is a day off. At least it's only May. Hitting with RISP has been the biggest problem all year and I don't see signs of it changing.

TDog
05-12-2008, 12:55 AM
Most of the questions were about not pinch-hitting Thome when everyone knew he would strike out against Rhodes. A day off is a day off. At least it's only May. Hitting with RISP has been the biggest problem all year and I don't see signs of it changing.

In the game thread, I questioned whether Dye would come in to pinch-hit for Thome as it was happening. I could see why the move wasn't made because the game was only in the sixth inning. Honestly, while it was going on, I thought Thome was going to walk, which at least would give Konerko something to hit. But you don't know how it would have turned out. A fly ball only would have pulled the Sox within one. Had the Sox lost 5-4, and Dye had gone down in the eight with a runner or two on base, people could have questioned why Dye came in the game so early.

I was more disappointed with the starting lineups than I was with the decision not to pinch-hit. I was disappointed to see Swisher in the lineup instead of Dye, something I also noted in the game thread. But I'm not complaining that Guillen lost the game by playing Swisher, who came up with seven men on base and drove in none of them.

October26
05-12-2008, 09:07 AM
Not that this matters, but why is date in the title of this thread 5/10/08 when yesterday was 5/11/08? I spent the day with my children on Mother's Day yesterday (husband was working), so I wasn't able to sign on to WSI - but I did read the entire thread today. Am glad the Sox took 2/3 in Seattle, but I really wanted the sweep. Floyd didn't have it yesterday and the Sox left a ton of runners on base. Argh! Oh well, onto Anaheim.

kitekrazy
05-12-2008, 11:34 AM
Ozzie didn't **** anything up today. We had quite a few ballplayers who ****ed up in RBI situations, and our starting pitcher did not have it today.

Not of that is the manager's fault.

Like A.J. and Crede not willing to work the count when the clogs Thome and P.K. were on base.

PaleHoser
05-12-2008, 01:02 PM
I'm not a Thome hater, but a fly ball is a necessity in the 6th inning. And he couldn't get it done.

Dye has to be moved to third and drop Thome to 7th. Move A.J. up to 5th, Crede 6th to split up the left-handed bats. Leaves three sure outs at the bottom of the lineup (Thome, Swisher, Uribe) for the time being but it puts the hotter bats at the top of the lineup so hits can be bunched for big innings. Those other three will come around eventually.