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Mr. Man
05-08-2008, 03:34 PM
I knew he wasn't the Buehrle of old ... but I had no idea that Mark Buehrle had a 5-9 win-loss record and a 4.72 ERA (http://homerderby.com/archives/2204) since he signed his contract extension last summer.

:o:

Found the revelation at Home Run Derby (http://homerderby.com/archives/2204). The site doesn't give any speculation as to why Buehrle's stats are down. Other than he signed a big $$ contract.

Any thoughts? I'd love to say that Mark has had some hard luck with the Sox' feeble bats over that timeframe ... but the ERA concerns me - a lot.

The site also has video of Buehrle smashing a bat in the dugout (http://homerderby.com/archives/2204) after getting pulled in last night's game against the Twins.

ondafarm
05-08-2008, 03:42 PM
"Sometimes you get the bull, sometimes the bull gets you."

Everybody goes thru a hard luck stretch or two.

voodoochile
05-08-2008, 03:45 PM
He was only in it for the money. He didn't even care about winning the WS a few years ago. Now he's rich and he just doesn't give a ****.

That the answer you were looking for?

Domeshot17
05-08-2008, 03:53 PM
The problem with Buehrle is he will always have the Jamie Moyer syndome. He relies on movement because his pure stuff isn't all that great. He needs his cutter to be sharp, his changeup to drop and his slider to break. Well right now he is not locating the cutter at all, and his changeup and slider are both very flat. When that happens he will get shelled. He is a guy who will give up a lot of hits and rely on his defense. He doesn't K enough guys to be a true number 1, but he is smart enough to not be Zito. He is the face of our team and a battler, but the truth is if all things keep up, he might be the 4th most talented pitcher on the team, but is our number 2 because of how smart he pitches.

spiffie
05-08-2008, 04:01 PM
I don't think the contract has anything to do with it. I think an interesting question though is what impact did the 2005 season have on those pitchers?

Mark Buehrle - 2005 threw 236.7 innings with an ERA of 3.12 and 23.3 postseason innings (total 260 innings). Since that time he has thrown 447.3 innings with an ERA of 4.40.

Freddy Garcia - 2005 threw 228 innings with an ERA of 3.87 and 21 postseason innings (total 249 innings). Since that time has thrown 274.3 innings with an ERA of 4.82 and hasn't pitched since June 11, 2007.

Jose Contreras - 2005 threw 204.7 innings with an ERA of 3.61 and 32 postseason innings (total 236.7 innings). Since that time has thrown 424.7 innings with an ERA of 4.83.

Jon Garland - 2005 threw 221 innings with an ERA of 3.50 and 16 postseason innings (total 237 innings). Since that time has thrown 464 innings with an ERA of 4.44.

Of the bullpen pitchers in 2005 of the top 7 guys in IP 4 of them are no longer in the majors and a fifth one is out indefinitely due to injury.

Mr. Man
05-08-2008, 04:10 PM
He was only in it for the money. He didn't even care about winning the WS a few years ago. Now he's rich and he just doesn't give a ****.

That the answer you were looking for?


Good God, No.

fquaye149
05-08-2008, 04:11 PM
I don't think the contract has anything to do with it. I think an interesting question though is what impact did the 2005 season have on those pitchers?

Mark Buehrle - 2005 threw 236.7 innings with an ERA of 3.12 and 23.3 postseason innings (total 260 innings). Since that time he has thrown 447.3 innings with an ERA of 4.40.

Freddy Garcia - 2005 threw 228 innings with an ERA of 3.87 and 21 postseason innings (total 249 innings). Since that time has thrown 274.3 innings with an ERA of 4.82 and hasn't pitched since June 11, 2007.

Jose Contreras - 2005 threw 204.7 innings with an ERA of 3.61 and 32 postseason innings (total 236.7 innings). Since that time has thrown 424.7 innings with an ERA of 4.83.

Jon Garland - 2005 threw 221 innings with an ERA of 3.50 and 16 postseason innings (total 237 innings). Since that time has thrown 464 innings with an ERA of 4.44.

Of the bullpen pitchers in 2005 of the top 7 guys in IP 4 of them are no longer in the majors and a fifth one is out indefinitely due to injury.

It's more like Garland and Contreras put up career numbers in 05 which they--not surprisingly--haven't matched since, Freddy flamed out due to being a fastballer who lost velocity, and Mark has had his ups and downs since

Mr. Man
05-08-2008, 04:13 PM
I don't think the contract has anything to do with it. I think an interesting question though is what impact did the 2005 season have on those pitchers?

Mark Buehrle - 2005 threw 236.7 innings with an ERA of 3.12 and 23.3 postseason innings (total 260 innings). Since that time he has thrown 447.3 innings with an ERA of 4.40.

Freddy Garcia - 2005 threw 228 innings with an ERA of 3.87 and 21 postseason innings (total 249 innings). Since that time has thrown 274.3 innings with an ERA of 4.82 and hasn't pitched since June 11, 2007.

Jose Contreras - 2005 threw 204.7 innings with an ERA of 3.61 and 32 postseason innings (total 236.7 innings). Since that time has thrown 424.7 innings with an ERA of 4.83.

Jon Garland - 2005 threw 221 innings with an ERA of 3.50 and 16 postseason innings (total 237 innings). Since that time has thrown 464 innings with an ERA of 4.44.

Of the bullpen pitchers in 2005 of the top 7 guys in IP 4 of them are no longer in the majors and a fifth one is out indefinitely due to injury.

Good call.
Do those stats include the playoffs? Or is that just the 2005 regular season?

spiffie
05-08-2008, 04:36 PM
It's more like Garland and Contreras put up career numbers in 05 which they--not surprisingly--haven't matched since, Freddy flamed out due to being a fastballer who lost velocity, and Mark has had his ups and downs since
Conteras was actually exceeding those numbers until he got hurt in 2006. The first half of the year he was 9-0 with a 3.38 ERA. But then he fell apart and hasn't been the same since. Same with Buehrle just collapsing that second half. Just seems odd to me how everyone pretty much fell apart like the Bluesmobile in 2006, with the least precipitous decline being the guy who pitched the least in the postseason.

Parrothead
05-08-2008, 04:48 PM
I am betting that marriage and kids has something to do with him sucking in the past 2 years.

Look at how JC says it messed him up.

Hitmen77
05-08-2008, 04:55 PM
I will not be happy until we have 25 threads in the Sox Clubhouse each criticizing a specific player - one for each person on the Sox roster.

Nellie_Fox
05-08-2008, 04:58 PM
I will not be happy until we have 25 threads in the Sox Clubhouse each criticizing a specific player - one for each person on the Sox roster.Bide your time, my friend, bide your time.

ondafarm
05-08-2008, 05:36 PM
I will not be happy until we have 25 threads in the Sox Clubhouse each criticizing a specific player - one for each person on the Sox roster.

What about the coaches, the manager, the GM, the owners, the broadcasters (TV and radio), the ballpark announcer, the groundskeeper and the flight attendants on the charter?

Daver
05-08-2008, 05:40 PM
What about the coaches, the manager, the GM, the owners, the broadcasters (TV and radio), the ballpark announcer, the groundskeeper and the flight attendants on the charter?

I agree with all of this except the groundskeeper, Roger Bossard can do no wrong, just ask Ken Harrellson.

Hitmen77
05-08-2008, 05:40 PM
Bide your time, my friend, bide your time.

LOL. No doubt it won't be a long wait.

What about the coaches, the manager, the GM, the owners, the broadcasters (TV and radio), the ballpark announcer, the groundskeeper and the flight attendants on the charter?

That's my problem - I'm always thinking small. :tongue:

Frontman
05-08-2008, 05:59 PM
And the point is that Mark hasn't done good since his contract? Ok. Paulie hasn't done much since last year, so what?

Mark also pitched very well in two games that he lost this season. He has ZERO earned runs for his previous outing.

A baseball website that's written by a bunch of bloggers don't impress me much. Just because someone can pay for bandwith doesn't mean he knows the game, or even knows who Mark Buehrle is if he passed him on the street.

Mark and the Sox have a target on them this week due to the blow-up doll fiasco; so everyone and their brother will take shots at them.

voodoochile
05-08-2008, 06:02 PM
:coop:
"What about me? Do I get a thread too? Heck, can I get a tag? Nardi's got a freaking tag..."

itsnotrequired
05-08-2008, 06:36 PM
Mark is a terrible pitcher, person and backgammon player.

Frontman
05-08-2008, 06:44 PM
Mark is a terrible pitcher, person and backgammon player.

Not to mention he wants to kill Bambi......

delben91
05-08-2008, 07:10 PM
I said it in the game thread on opening day...

Maybe KW should've listened... (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1833986&postcount=177)

:cool:

Daver
05-08-2008, 07:15 PM
Not to mention he wants to kill Bambi......

What's wrong with that?

fquaye149
05-08-2008, 07:25 PM
Conteras was actually exceeding those numbers until he got hurt in 2006. The first half of the year he was 9-0 with a 3.38 ERA. But then he fell apart and hasn't been the same since. Same with Buehrle just collapsing that second half. Just seems odd to me how everyone pretty much fell apart like the Bluesmobile in 2006, with the least precipitous decline being the guy who pitched the least in the postseason.

There's a number of reasons why the team's pitching tailed off, not the least of which being the WBC

VeeckAsInWreck
05-08-2008, 07:29 PM
I said it in the game thread on opening day...

Maybe KW should've listened... (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1833986&postcount=177)

:cool:

Teal? :scratch:

Frontman
05-08-2008, 09:14 PM
I said it in the game thread on opening day...

Maybe KW should've listened... (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=1833986&postcount=177)


:cool:

(quoted to save people's valuable time)

"Well, that's a waste of $56M on Buehrle's extension. Should've spent it on Bartolo Colon."

You mean the same Colon who didn't make the MLB roster and is currently on the DL in Pawtucket? That Colon?

Next time; link to something that might prove your point, instead of making you look foolish.

Which this one did.

Jjav829
05-08-2008, 09:17 PM
(quoted to save people's valuable time)

"Well, that's a waste of $56M on Buehrle's extension. Should've spent it on Bartolo Colon."

You mean the same Colon who didn't make the MLB roster and is currently on the DL in Pawtucket? That Colon?

Next time; link to something that might prove your point, instead of making you look foolish.

Which this one did.

He was being sarcastic (both then and now)...

Frontman
05-08-2008, 09:25 PM
He was being sarcastic (both then and now)...

:tealtutor:

It's your friend.

delben91
05-08-2008, 09:50 PM
:tealtutor:

It's your friend.


I remember the days before teal :wink:

fquaye149
05-08-2008, 09:53 PM
:tealtutor:

It's your friend.

Teal is for the rudimentary

Frontman
05-08-2008, 10:19 PM
Teal is for the rudimentary

I thought that was bold teal?

WhiteSox5187
05-08-2008, 10:19 PM
Last year he put up a career low ERA I believe and had the team been any good he would have won at least 15. I'm not worried about Buerhle at all. My best friend just dropped him from his fantasy team after I told him to draft Buerhle...he's going to go nuts now.

ondafarm
05-08-2008, 10:26 PM
I agree with all of this except the groundskeeper, Roger Bossard can do no wrong, just ask Ken Harrellson.

As if I don't ever go too far.

SluggersAway
05-08-2008, 10:54 PM
KENNY! Bring back Colon, El Duque, and Freddie! We are doomed!

Parrothead
05-08-2008, 11:09 PM
Mark is a terrible pitcher, person and backgammon player.

Agree on the first two but the third not so sure about.:mg::duck:

Not to mention he wants to kill Bambi......

Them Bambi's are really tasty.:drool:

Iwritecode
05-09-2008, 10:28 AM
I remember the days before teal :wink:

Yea, it was called the ESPN boards. Those days sucked...

doublem23
05-09-2008, 10:36 AM
I remember the days before teal :wink:

Teal is for the rudimentary

Don't rag on the teal... It's still my greatest contribution to Western society... I know there are a handful of you people that read teal text in settings outside of WSI and see it as sarcasm.

Dan Mega
05-09-2008, 10:53 AM
I knew he wasn't the Buehrle of old ... but I had no idea that Mark Buehrle had a 5-9 win-loss record and a 4.72 ERA (http://homerderby.com/archives/2204) since he signed his contract extension last summer.

:o:

Found the revelation at Home Run Derby (http://homerderby.com/archives/2204). The site doesn't give any speculation as to why Buehrle's stats are down. Other than he signed a big $$ contract.

Any thoughts? I'd love to say that Mark has had some hard luck with the Sox' feeble bats over that timeframe ... but the ERA concerns me - a lot.

The site also has video of Buehrle smashing a bat in the dugout (http://homerderby.com/archives/2204) after getting pulled in last night's game against the Twins.

If he didn't care he wouldn't get frustrated. I think it is just a bad stretch.

But I'm sorry that 90% of the replies in this thread have been nothing but horse**** replies when you did nothing wrong but post the facts to raise a simple discussion about the one starter that isn't doing well.