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doublem23
04-25-2008, 04:00 PM
Looks like a perfect storm for a 20-game loser brewing; Zito's been bad, but not terrible, he's on an awful team, and the Giants have so much money invested in him and so little talent behind him, it seems like he's a shoe-in to get the ball every 5th day.

Yay or nay; does he put Mike Maroth out of his dubious misery?

http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pg3/2004/0223/photo/zito_i.jpg
Better start practicing

VenturaFan23
04-25-2008, 04:04 PM
That ridiculous contract has been worth every penny so far.

Boondock Saint
04-25-2008, 04:06 PM
Unless the Giants do something drastic like put him in the 'pen, he seems destined for 20 losses.

TDog
04-25-2008, 04:09 PM
If it comes to the point where Zito is approaching 20 losses, I think the team will avoid the possibility.

The San Francisco media has soured tremendously on Zito. After all the Zito souvenirs the Giants sold last year, the fans have soured tremendously on Zito.

Signing big-name free agents is always a gamble. On this one the Giants lost big time.

VeeckAsInWreck
04-25-2008, 04:54 PM
http://assets.espn.go.com/media/pg3/2004/0223/photo/zito_i.jpg
Better start practicing


Let me get this straight: Zito pitches left handed but plays the guitar right handed? :scratch: Unless the negative of this picture has been reversed?

munchman33
04-25-2008, 04:57 PM
Let me get this straight: Zito pitches left handed but plays the guitar right handed?

Most lefties do. Most people don't buy guitars and start learning. They play existing guitars that are just around or friend's guitars. Not likely to find a lefty guitar just hanging around.

Foulke You
04-25-2008, 05:02 PM
So far, this deal looks like it will go down in baseball history like the Chan Ho Park and Mike Hampton contracts. This one is the worst of all though because the Giants paid him like he was Johan Santana and they are on the hook for 5 more years of it. It's deals like this that make the White Sox front office look like geniuses for not wanting to give pitchers more than 3 years.

I've heard that part of Zito's problem seems to be a loss of velocity which has made his breaking balls a lot more hittable. He never was a hard thrower but when you throw those big hooks, all you need is an avg fastball to keep the hitters honest. Well, apparently, his fastball is no longer even average which is why he is struggling so badly. It doesn't seem that long ago that he won 23 games in the AL and now his E.R.A. is over 5.00 in the NL and he can't win a ballgame. It almost makes you wonder if he is hurt and they just haven't figured out what is wrong yet.

VeeckAsInWreck
04-25-2008, 05:02 PM
Most lefties do. Most people don't buy guitars and start learning. They play existing guitars that are just around or friend's guitars. Not likely to find a lefty guitar just hanging around.

Well Barry is making enough money these days to buy a left handed guitar factory. Perhaps he'll have some time to learn and play one.

PKalltheway
04-25-2008, 09:39 PM
I'll say he loses less than 20. By that, I mean he'll lose 19.:tongue:

Zito's looking pretty bad, but 20 losses is a pretty hard plateau to reach. Heck, only two pitchers have lost at least 20 games in a season since 1980. He'll probably get really close to it, but I don't think it will happen.

FarWestChicago
04-26-2008, 07:51 AM
I think Zito will run out of pot before he loses 20. :smokin:

SoxNation05
04-26-2008, 12:02 PM
I'm going to guess 17. He will go 7-17

jabrch
04-26-2008, 12:27 PM
Will Zito lose more than Lincecum wins?

I know the Giants have been bad, but even with a 1.40 WHIP, Lincecum has held teams to 1.23 runs per 9 and won 4 games so far. The one game he didn't win he went 6 and only allowed 1 run, but the team still won 3-2. The Giants are 5-0 when he pitches and 6-13 when he doesn't.

Elephant
04-26-2008, 12:29 PM
Most lefties do. Most people don't buy guitars and start learning. They play existing guitars that are just around or friend's guitars. Not likely to find a lefty guitar just hanging around.

Yeah, avoid being a lefty guitarist at all costs. Besides, when you're first learning it's all the same anyway...and lefties have a relatively easy time doing things ambidextrously because society forces them to use their right hands for many things.

TDog
04-26-2008, 11:09 PM
Yeah, avoid being a lefty guitarist at all costs. Besides, when you're first learning it's all the same anyway...and lefties have a relatively easy time doing things ambidextrously because society forces them to use their right hands for many things.

That's why Paul McCartney's career never went anywhere.

France
04-27-2008, 11:24 PM
I still think the Sox should have gone after Zito, can you imagine our rotation then? He is a bit overpriced though, but we did pay Mark Burelel.

FedEx227
04-27-2008, 11:29 PM
I still think the Sox should have gone after Zito, can you imagine our rotation then? He is a bit overpriced though, but we did pay Mark Burelel.

:?:

...Where to begin?

Vernam
04-27-2008, 11:37 PM
The Giants will fabricate an injury before they let Zito lose 20.

Vernam

DumpJerry
04-27-2008, 11:38 PM
I blame Borass for this. Zito's contract contains a clause, insisted on by Borass, that he be paid in ten dollar bills. His arm is tired from counting the money to make sure the Giants did not short him one or two ten dollar bills.

BadBobbyJenks
04-28-2008, 04:03 AM
I still think the Sox should have gone after Zito, can you imagine our rotation then? He is a bit overpriced though, but we did pay Mark Burelel.


Your what hurts?

VeeckAsInWreck
04-28-2008, 11:02 AM
That's why Paul McCartney's career never went anywhere.

Or Jimi Hendrix for that matter.

Droso5
04-28-2008, 12:37 PM
If the Giants don't fabricate an injury (which they probably will) and he is allowed to keep pitching every five days, then yes, he will lose more than 20 games. But, we all know that wont happen, Zito will say something, Boras might try to intervene or even Giants management might work a little "you know what" and sit him.

Cleary the Giants are one the, if not the worst team in the MLB. Awful defense, super old, bad offense, no pitching (obviously)....but the do have Rowand! So at least his "passion and fire" will surely over come the massive talent black hole that they possess now!:gulp::happybday

VeeckAsInWreck
04-28-2008, 12:43 PM
Cleary the Giants are one the, if not the worst team in the MLB. Awful defense, super old, bad offense, no pitching (obviously)

To think they traded Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser away. Then again it was for AJ.

Droso5
04-28-2008, 01:26 PM
To think they traded Joe Nathan, Francisco Liriano and Boof Bonser away. Then again it was for AJ.

Good lord, I forogt about that! Such a pathetic franchise as of late and to think that they actually went to a World Series in the last several years, they lost, but still. Over the last few years I would say that they are similar to the Super Bowl Oakland Raiders of 2005 (I think that's the year) Super old, went to the championship in the not so distant past and then completely fell apart.

thomas35forever
04-28-2008, 06:05 PM
I've had enough of Zito. I finally dropped him from my fantasy team today.

102605
04-28-2008, 06:08 PM
I still think the Sox should have gone after Zito, can you imagine our rotation then? He is a bit overpriced though, but we did pay Mark Burelel.

:o:

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DumpJerry
04-28-2008, 06:09 PM
I've had enough of Zito. I finally dropped him from my fantasy team today.
Replace him with that Burelel kid. You can't miss with him.

Sockinchisox
04-28-2008, 09:18 PM
Zito is now the most expensive relief pitcher ever.

DSpivack
04-28-2008, 09:45 PM
Replace him with that Burelel kid. You can't miss with him.

I think he was trying to spell Pavel Bure.

soxfanreggie
04-28-2008, 09:54 PM
Thought this was a bad contract, and it they really can't do anything but hope he improves.

jdm2662
04-28-2008, 10:01 PM
Good lord, I forogt about that! Such a pathetic franchise as of late and to think that they actually went to a World Series in the last several years, they lost, but still. Over the last few years I would say that they are similar to the Super Bowl Oakland Raiders of 2005 (I think that's the year) Super old, went to the championship in the not so distant past and then completely fell apart.

It was 2002, but your point was made.

DSpivack
04-28-2008, 10:17 PM
It was 2002, but your point was made.

Just a couple months after the Giants lost the Series...although I doubt there are many Raider/Giant fans.

guillen4life13
04-29-2008, 12:43 AM
McCartney started on a righty guitar then ended up trying a lefty guitar and found it was more natural.

There have been players like Albert King who just flipped the guitar over and play it backwards and upside down.

But in general lefty guitarists tend to play righty because they start by playing a friend/family member's guitar.