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doublem23
04-25-2008, 09:40 AM
I know it's only April 25, but I can't remember the last time I saw a stat like this... The White Sox lead the American League with 5.4 runs per game, despite having a league-worst .247 batting average.

:scratch:

VeeckAsInWreck
04-25-2008, 09:43 AM
That's the benefit of having hitters who are patient at the plate and draw a lot of walks.

jabrch
04-25-2008, 09:45 AM
That's the benefit of having hitters who are patient at the plate and draw a lot of walks.

That's also what happens when you lead the league in HRs. Both are key factors.

Hitmen77
04-25-2008, 09:46 AM
I'm confident that our 1-8 hitters can all hit at least .280 as the season progresses. I hope that means even more runs...and more consistent run production in the future.

WizardsofOzzie
04-25-2008, 10:05 AM
The hitless wonders revived :smile:

voodoochile
04-25-2008, 10:46 AM
The hitless wonders revived :smile:

There is going to be absolutely nothing hitless about this team when Swisher, Cabrera, Thome and Paulie start to hit like they can.

WizardsofOzzie
04-25-2008, 10:55 AM
There is going to be absolutely nothing hitless about this team when Swisher, Cabrera, Thome and Paulie start to hit like they can.
Agreed. I just hope we aren't pulling one of these again

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4348/sinkingaq9.jpg

oeo
04-25-2008, 11:19 AM
Up until this past series, they were also making the best out of their opportunities with men in scoring position.

FedEx227
04-25-2008, 11:24 AM
Why do people still care about batting average?

We're 6th in Runs, 4th in HR, 5th in RBI, 14th in OBP, 11th in OPS and 10th in Walks.

doublem23
04-25-2008, 11:28 AM
Why do people still care about batting average?

We're 6th in Runs, 4th in HR, 5th in RBI, 14th in OBP, 11th in OPS and 10th in Walks.

Maybe batting average isn't the best stat to determine a team or player's offensive worth, but even the most cynical of statheads would have to agree there is a least a bit of a correlation between BA and offense.

FedEx227
04-25-2008, 11:35 AM
World Series Champions BA MLB Rank

2000: Yankees / 9th
2001: Diamondbacks / 9th
2002: Angels / 1st
2003: Marlins / 14th
2004: Red Sox / 2nd
2005: White Sox / 18th
2006: Cardinals / 15th
2007: Red Sox / 6th

So in the past 8 years, the WS team has had an average rank of about 9th in the league, so of course it helps success, but teams like the Marlins/White Sox/Cardinals prove that timely hitting mainly hitting with RISP and good pitching are just as important.

doublem23
04-25-2008, 11:40 AM
World Series Champions BA MLB Rank

2000: Yankees / 9th
2001: Diamondbacks / 9th
2002: Angels / 1st
2003: Marlins / 14th
2004: Red Sox / 2nd
2005: White Sox / 18th
2006: Cardinals / 15th
2007: Red Sox / 6th

So in the past 8 years, the WS team has had an average rank of about 9th in the league, so of course it helps success, but teams like the Marlins/White Sox/Cardinals prove that timely hitting mainly hitting with RISP and good pitching are just as important.

I didn't say that it was bizarre to see a team hit so poorly do well, I just noted it was weird to see the team with the worst batting average in the league averaging the most runs per game in the league.

FedEx227
04-25-2008, 11:43 AM
I didn't say that it was bizarre to see a team hit so poorly do well, I just noted it was weird to see the team with the worst batting average in the league averaging the most runs per game in the league.

Oh no doubt, I'm sure that's something you will not see too often, but it's definitely a testament to how well OC and Swisher have done thus far, and our great ability to hit with RISP.

itsnotrequired
04-25-2008, 11:43 AM
World Series Champions BA MLB Rank R

2002: Angels / 1st / 4th
2003: Marlins / 14th / 17th
2004: Red Sox / 2nd / 1st
2005: White Sox / 18th / 13th
2006: Cardinals / 15th / 14th
2007: Red Sox / 6th / 4th

So in the past 8 years, the WS team has had an average rank of about 9th in the league, so of course it helps success, but teams like the Marlins/White Sox/Cardinals prove that timely hitting mainly hitting with RISP and good pitching are just as important.

I added the team ranks for runs scored as well. You don't need to score a ton of runs or have a great average to win but the relationship between runs and average should be pretty obvious. It is indeed unusually to lead the league in runs while bringing up the rear in average.

SoxGirl4Life
04-25-2008, 11:55 AM
I added the team ranks for runs scored as well. You don't need to score a ton of runs or have a great average to win but the relationship between runs and average should be pretty obvious. It is indeed unusually to lead the league in runs while bringing up the rear in average.


Wouldn't there also be a correlation to team ERA and runs allowed per game? I know before the Yankee series, we had the best ERA in the AL.

doublem23
04-25-2008, 11:58 AM
Wouldn't there also be a correlation to team ERA and runs allowed per game? I know before the Yankee series, we had the best ERA in the AL.

Unless you have the world's worst defense, I would assume the correlation between team ERA and runs allowed per game would be almost perfect, since it's measuring almost the same thing... Currently the American League collectively averages 4.6 runs per game and the average ERA is 4.35 (5% difference). The White Sox, for example, have allowed 82 earned runs and 5 unearned (6%).

Lip Man 1
04-25-2008, 11:59 AM
As long as they keep hitting three run home runs they'll be fine...the problem comes when they are hitting .247 as a team and the only home runs they get are solo shots (a la Tuesday night...)

When that happens they have a real problem because a .247 team batting average indicates they aren't able to string hits together on a consistent basis in order to score runs and solo shots only count as one run.

That team average needs to come up big time.

Lip

itsnotrequired
04-25-2008, 12:13 PM
Wouldn't there also be a correlation to team ERA and runs allowed per game? I know before the Yankee series, we had the best ERA in the AL.

ERA / R

2000: Yankees / 16th / 12th
2001: Diamondbacks / 4th / 4th
2002: Angels / 4th / 4th
2003: Marlins / 10th / 8th
2004: Red Sox / 11th / 14th
2005: White Sox / 4th / 5th
2006: Cardinals / 16th / 10th
2007: Red Sox / 2nd / 1st

ma-gaga
04-25-2008, 01:05 PM
Maybe batting average isn't the best stat to determine a team or player's offensive worth, but even the most cynical of statheads would have to agree there is a least a bit of a correlation between BA and offense.

You are making the statheads' case:

Correlation between Runs and AVG ~0.842 = good
Correlation between Runs and OBP ~0.912 = better
Correlation between Runs and OPS ~0.942 = Pretty freaking sweet.
Correlation between Runs and OBP*SLG ~0.950 = About as good as it gets

Batting Average is an ok stat. But it's simply not as "good" as others. :cool:

gosox41
04-25-2008, 10:46 PM
I know it's only April 25, but I can't remember the last time I saw a stat like this... The White Sox lead the American League with 5.4 runs per game, despite having a league-worst .247 batting average.

:scratch:

It's too small a sample size, but I expect this team to hit for a much higher average.


Bob

Elephant
04-25-2008, 10:54 PM
This whole thread is a shining beacon to the school of Hawk.

Thus I will leave now.