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Viva Medias B's
04-22-2008, 10:57 PM
I hope we weren't stuck in a 2007 time warp tonight.

Note: This may be the first time I've ever started a postgame thread of a game I attended, attended until the end of the 7th inning that is.

oeo
04-22-2008, 10:58 PM
No clutch hits and a bad bullpen won't win many games.

Go get 'em tomorrow.

BigKlu59
04-22-2008, 10:59 PM
I'd say some situational hitting and we may have won this thing... Damn Yanks... 3 yards to our one... Tha GS by Abreu was a major hurt..

BigKlu59

drewcifer
04-22-2008, 11:00 PM
13 LOB.

Twice, innnings ended with 2B 3B runners.

That's 4 runs there (maybe 3.25 with our barrel ass players).

Can't do that.

And then there's the bullpen..... ****.

jenn2080
04-22-2008, 11:00 PM
I was pretty embarassed to be a Sox fan tonight. The fans were absolute *******s. It was absolutely disgusting. We left our seats and stood on the concourse because it was so bad. Idiot White Sox fans + Yankees fans + Mets fans + Cubs fans = HELL!


The fans in the outfield were really out of control. I have not seen them like that in a while.

kruzer31
04-22-2008, 11:00 PM
Thought maybe we should have seen Thorton face Abreu with the bags loaded, then again, he gave up a HR to Damon later on. Bullpen stunk today, must win tomorrow


Jeff

WhiteSox5187
04-22-2008, 11:00 PM
Well, when the other team scores, what? Seven? runs after the seventh, you're going to wind up losing. The bullpen looked like horse **** tonight, let's not kid ourselves about that. And the offense stranded twelve runners I think. That's just not going to get it done. That was a game we saw last year and I sure as hell hope we don't wind up seeing it anymore. Just awful.

Finally, while Damon's three run homer did us in, was I the only one who was upset that Uribe swung at the first pitch after Chamberlin walked in a run?

voodoochile
04-22-2008, 11:00 PM
Not our night from the minute Damon's "double" bounced off of Paulie's mitt in the first inning...

Optipessimism
04-22-2008, 11:01 PM
What an awesome job by the pen tonight.

It's Time
04-22-2008, 11:01 PM
Well, Dotel is done. I'm not sure if he makes it to the all star break. Too many missed chances tonight and you knew it would come back to haunt them.

BadBobbyJenks
04-22-2008, 11:01 PM
JD left on about 6 I think. AJ not much better and I think Swish/OC left 3 or 4 a piece.

Oh and there was that minor Dotel blow up.

As bad as that was it only counts as one loss and our stopper is up tomorrow.

oeo
04-22-2008, 11:03 PM
Not our night from the minute Damon's "double" bounced off of Paulie's mitt in the first inning...

True. The Yankees had shades of the Minnesota Twins tonight.

WhiteSox5187
04-22-2008, 11:04 PM
Well, Dotel is done. I'm not sure if he makes it to the all star break. Too many missed chances tonight and you knew it would come back to haunt them.
Yea, I'm starting to feel that way too. He just doesn't have a whole lot left. There isn't anyone that I feel real comfortable going to in the seventh.

JB98
04-22-2008, 11:05 PM
Wow, 13 men left on base tonight. And we had a 3-2 lead with two outs in the seventh, and we managed to give up seven runs from that point on. Yuck.

As I said in the game thread, I think the Yankees exposed a weakness that we need to fix. We feel good about Jenks in the ninth. We feel good about Linebrink in the eighth. But what about that seventh inning?

Who can pitch the seventh and get us out of a jam when a guy like Jose starts to tire and needs to be removed? Dotel, Thornton, Logan, none of these guys has shown yet that they can be trusted in that situation. We need someone to step up and seize that role if we're going to win the division this year.

drewcifer
04-22-2008, 11:08 PM
Wow, 13 men left on base tonight. And we had a 3-2 lead with two outs in the seventh, and we managed to give up seven runs from that point on. Yuck.

As I said in the game thread, I think the Yankees exposed a weakness that we need to fix. We feel good about Jenks in the ninth. We feel good about Linebrink in the eighth. But what about that seventh inning?

Who can pitch the seventh and get us out of a jam when a guy like Jose starts to tire and needs to be removed? Dotel, Thornton, Logan, none of these guys has shown yet that they can be trusted in that situation. We need someone to step up and seize that role if we're going to win the division this year.

I just want to say I'm really proud of Jose. He did great. I thought he'd **** his pants and start ****ing up, but he got stronger and pitched really well until he left the 2 on in the 7th.....

Damn, we could've won this game. They got 7 runs off 2 ****ing hits (HRs, of course).... I hate the Yankees.

nsdjoe
04-22-2008, 11:10 PM
Dotel is far too expensive to jettison yet.

Viva Medias B's
04-22-2008, 11:12 PM
Would it be wrong to jettison Uribe? Remember, they tried to do that once toward the end of spring training.

Meanwhile, what was going on in the left field bleachers during the 7th? I didn't really look like fighting but, instead, baseball caps flying around the stands there.

WhiteSox5187
04-22-2008, 11:15 PM
Dotel is far too expensive to jettison yet.
Well I can't speak for anyone else, but I wasn't suggesting jettisoning him. I was suggesting that we just not use him in close situations...ya know, I don't think Mac gave up any runs tonight. I wouldn't mind seeing him in there at some point, does he have his stuff back? He's only had the one bad stint against Cleveland...maybe we should give him a try instead of just mop up duty?

JB98
04-22-2008, 11:15 PM
One other parting thought from tonight: A couple days off seemed to benefit Konerko. Better ABs from him.

LoveYourSuit
04-22-2008, 11:15 PM
Uribe accountable for 2 runs tonight but I can't watch his hack attack approach any longer.

I don't care about his defense anymore if his brainless approach at the plate is going to cost this team. His first pitch hack (what new) on Joba was the spine breaker on any possible rally.

If someone here defends him once again because of his defense, I will throw up tonight.

whitesoxfan
04-22-2008, 11:16 PM
If that wasn't an example of a 2007 game, I don't know what is.

WhiteSox5187
04-22-2008, 11:17 PM
Uribe accountable for 2 runs tonight but I can't watch his hack attack approach any longer.

I don't care about his defense anymore if his brainless approach at the plate is going to cost this team. His first pitch hack (what new) on Joba was the spine breaker on any possible rally.

If someone here defends him once again because of his defense, I will throw up tonight.
It IS starting to wear thin, but who the hell else do we have? Would you rather see Pablo in there? Alexei?

scarsofthumper
04-22-2008, 11:17 PM
We'll get em tomorrow, that's for sure.

I didn't watch much of the game tonight, between Big Brother 9 and Hell's Kitchen airing tonight, I was just puzzled by Swisher's broken bat. Seriously, what happened there?

itsnotrequired
04-22-2008, 11:18 PM
Blech.

Sig update time...

WhiteSox5187
04-22-2008, 11:19 PM
We'll get em tomorrow, that's for sure.

I didn't watch much of the game tonight, between Big Brother 9 and Hell's Kitchen airing tonight, I was just puzzled by Swisher's broken bat. Seriously, what happened there?
Gotta get your priorities straight!!!!

Viva Medias B's
04-22-2008, 11:19 PM
We'll get em tomorrow, that's for sure.

I didn't watch much of the game tonight, between Big Brother 9 and Hell's Kitchen airing tonight, I was just puzzled by Swisher's broken bat. Seriously, what happened there?

Stone speculated that it was already broken to the point that it snapped upon Swisher's swing.

TheOldRoman
04-22-2008, 11:20 PM
Well, Dotel is done. I'm not sure if he makes it to the all star break. Too many missed chances tonight and you knew it would come back to haunt them.Phew, glad you decided that. Now Kenny can cut him to save face. The hitter before he struck out Jeter, who is a much better hitter than Abreu. He fell behind, made a bad pitch, and it was a lazy fly ball that just carried out. While I am not happy with his performance, I think your post is a little silly.

All around crappy game. As Voodoo said, the leadoff "double" in the first was a joke. It looked like there were 2 more ****ty defensive plays in the first (I couldn't tell because I was watching on a treadmill at the gym with the sound off). Posada's hit looked like a duck snort that fell just in front of Swisher, and I think he broke back on it, and it should have been an out. Did I see it wrong? All, Konerko's belly flop in the first was awful.

Contreras was decent, but you don't deserve to win when you give up a homer to HGHambi. He was fine into the 7th, and it fell apart. I think we all saw this one coming. The offense should have crushed Wang tonight because he was off. They left way too many men on. It seemed like every ****ing time Cabrera came to the plate with runners on he swung at a ****ty first pitch and weakly grounded out. This game should have been put away long before the top of the seventh.

By the way, last year, I would have probably smashed something watching Uribe pop up that fist pitch in the 7th. As I said before, this is a kinder, gentler Roman.:D: I still want him cut after being publicly caned by the entire team. Hell, lets just send him to Singapore and let them handle the job. I am counting the days until Richar is healthy.

In conclusion, they all sucked tonight. Better luck tomorrow.

Settembrini
04-22-2008, 11:20 PM
Well, Dotel is done. I'm not sure if he makes it to the all star break.

Huh? His stuff looks good, his velocity's fine, he's had 5 scoreless outings in a row, and he struck out Jeter with 1 out and bases loaded. Abreu happened to take a good approach and drive the ball the opposite way. He's one of Kenny's marquee signings, meaning even if he struggles he's on a long leash. What makes you think he's "done"?

LoveYourSuit
04-22-2008, 11:20 PM
It IS starting to wear thin, but who the hell else do we have? Would you rather see Pablo in there? Alexei?


At this point I rather take my punches with Alexei rather than this guy who time and time again is just a spinning fan at the plate.

Alexei is athletic enough and has an arm as good as Uribe.

Uribe needs to find the bench as a late inning replacement for defense, that is it.

oeo
04-22-2008, 11:21 PM
I don't care about his defense anymore if his brainless approach at the plate is going to cost this team. His first pitch hack (what new) on Joba was the spine breaker on any possible rally.

It was a cookie. How can you be pissed that he swung at it?

I'm mad that he popped it up, but no major league hitter is going to pass that pitch up.

The two guys most at fault for tonight's loss are Jermaine Dye and Octavio Dotel. Dye was the ultimate rally killer tonight. I hope this isn't the early signs of a slump...especially just as Thome and Konerko start turning around.

southsideirish71
04-22-2008, 11:22 PM
You know what would help with the men left on base. The senseless need for the person up to take long huge cuts trying to hit the concourse. The on base percentage is great. We get guys on. Then we get the pucker factor. Dye did it twice trying to hit a home run and striking out. The ability to hit balls in fair territory outside of putting them over the fence is still lacking on this team. Again we are last in singles, doubles and triples. The only saving grace this year, is we have people walking at a good clip in front of our home runs. When facing a sinkerball pitcher that you can't homer off of, we run into the warning track power. I would like to see better ABs with men on. If we attempt to hit home runs everytime we have men on, we will be a 500 team.

LoveYourSuit
04-22-2008, 11:23 PM
Gotta get your priorities straight!!!!


It's people like that who will be first in line to snagg all play off tickets.:rolleyes:

IceczMan
04-22-2008, 11:23 PM
As far as Dotel goes, I'm no expert but it seems that he either couldnt or didnt want to get anywhere near the inside on left handed hitters. To me, that was the difference between the Jeter and Abreu at bats. I do not think, however, that he is a lost cause.

oeo
04-22-2008, 11:25 PM
Huh? His stuff looks good, his velocity's fine, he's had 5 scoreless outings in a row, and he struck out Jeter with 1 out and bases loaded. Abreu happened to take a good approach and drive the ball the opposite way. He's one of Kenny's marquee signings, meaning even if he struggles he's on a long leash. What makes you think he's "done"?

I'm not going to say he's done, but I disagree that his stuff looks good. Jeter helped him out a couple of times, and then struck out on a pitch that could have been mashed. If anything, I think that K was more of Jeter looking lost.

LoveYourSuit
04-22-2008, 11:26 PM
It was a cookie. How can you be pissed that he swung at it?

I'm mad that he popped it up, but no major league hitter is going to pass that pitch up.



The next level swing Uribe takes on a 0-0 count will be his first of his career.

Why swing for the fences, cookie or not?

We were down two runs and he wanted score 10 with one swing.

I hate this guy's approach .... PERIOD.

It's Time
04-22-2008, 11:26 PM
I do not think, however, that he is a lost cause.

What gives you any reason to think that?

DickAllen72
04-22-2008, 11:29 PM
I'd say some situational hitting and we may have won this thing...
BigKlu59

When are we going to see the Orlando Cabrera that KW traded for? :?: Who is that guy who has been wearing his uniform? :scratch:

Lip Man 1
04-22-2008, 11:33 PM
Is it just me or have the Sox been giving up a lot of two out runs? Detroit got a bunch off Jose earlier this season, Jenks gave up two, two out runs Thursday in the 9th, Mark gave up three runs on four straight hits after the botched rundown play with two out in Tampa Saturday and now this evening for example.

Lip

LoveYourSuit
04-22-2008, 11:34 PM
When are we going to see the Orlando Cabrera that KW traded for? :?: Who is that guy who has been wearing his uniform? :scratch:


I agree on this.


For as much as I hate Uribe's existance on this team, Cabrera's weak groundball act to SS is starting to get to me. Still will take him 10X ahead of Uribe just becuase of having and idea or two at the plate and working a count, but I expect him to be a difference maker.


I guess this why a bunch of people still defend Uribe because they see Cabreras still has not responded as expected with the bat.

WhiteSox5187
04-22-2008, 11:38 PM
When are we going to see the Orlando Cabrera that KW traded for? :?: Who is that guy who has been wearing his uniform? :scratch:
I've been very disappointed with that trade so far. Maybe he's just a slow starter?

SoxSpeed22
04-22-2008, 11:42 PM
If I was starting the thread, it would've been named, "I thought this was 2007." Very 2007-esque with missed opportunities, bad breaks and bullpen blowups. At least it's a 3 game series.

ksimpson14
04-22-2008, 11:51 PM
Blech.

Sig update time...

freshly roasted peanut?

thomas35forever
04-23-2008, 12:06 AM
Too early to think Dotel's done as a Major Leaguer, but I agree that he should be moved to middle relief.

Settembrini
04-23-2008, 12:13 AM
I'm not going to say he's done, but I disagree that his stuff looks good. Jeter helped him out a couple of times, and then struck out on a pitch that could have been mashed. If anything, I think that K was more of Jeter looking lost.

The fact that Jeter looked "lost" is a good indication that Dotel's stuff is fine.

chisoxfanatic
04-23-2008, 12:23 AM
All of my thoughts on this one can be read in my TBGR (http://www.whitesoxinteractive.com/rwas/index.php?category=4&id=3555)

Nellie_Fox
04-23-2008, 12:32 AM
Gotta get your priorities straight!!!!Seriously. How in hell does anyone watch Big Brother and Hell's Kitchen instead of a Sox game?

oeo
04-23-2008, 12:47 AM
The fact that Jeter looked "lost" is a good indication that Dotel's stuff is fine.

Not necessarily. You can look lost for any number of reasons that don't have to do with the stuff that's coming at you.

I was not overly impressed with the repertoire (or lack thereof) that Dotel showed tonight.

chisoxmike
04-23-2008, 12:50 AM
I was pretty embarassed to be a Sox fan tonight. The fans were absolute *******s. It was absolutely disgusting. We left our seats and stood on the concourse because it was so bad. Idiot White Sox fans + Yankees fans + Mets fans + Cubs fans = HELL!


The fans in the outfield were really out of control. I have not seen them like that in a while.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:I wonder why...........

What an awful game. Bullpen was ****ty as it was a la 2007. Better get back on track....

Team was lifeless tonight.

soxlady8
04-23-2008, 12:55 AM
I was in the bleachers tonight and it was brutal.
There were several people escorted out when they were taking each other's hats and throwing them around. There was so much smack talk too.
I am a believer in going to a game and routing for your team without smack talking too much. Unfortunately , The Yanks were the better team for the evning and the GS was not very pleasant.

I saw Skobabe8 and Converted before getting to the bleachers and congratulated them. I saw the pics of the proposal and they were fantastic and moving! They looked at me like I was some crazy lady (which I am .. he he he ).

Hopefully Javy can pitch well tomorrow!

Grzegorz
04-23-2008, 04:27 AM
Finally, while Damon's three run homer did us in, was I the only one who was upset that Uribe swung at the first pitch after Chamberlin walked in a run?

No you are not alone. That's why I've never bought the argument that you can "hide" someone with a lack of plate discipline at the bottom of the order.

Lillian
04-23-2008, 05:10 AM
I agree that Dotel should be moved to middle relief, until he proves that he can consistently get guys out.

It may be time to bring back Wasserman. He still hasn't given up a run at Charlotte, and his WHIP is 0.53.

I wish Walker would make Uribe change his approach drastically. Why not close his stance? At least from a closed stance he would have a chance to reach those low and away breaking pitches, which he has always seemed incapable of resisting. A closed stance would also help him to be successful at trying to go to right field. Maybe waiting a little longer on pitches, in order to hit to right instead of trying to pull everything, would help his pitch recognition. It might not even be a bad idea to have him start choking up on the bat. After the three years of watching his act it's time for a drastic change in his approach, or a change in Second Basemen! I can still never think of his 2004 season without lamenting over what a disappointment and waste of talent he has become. That year seemed to hold so much promise for him.

This team still has too low of a batting average to have an automatic out in the 9 hole. If you take away all of Swisher's walks, the Sox still don't have a high enough OBP to sustain a good offensive effort. I wouldn't mind seeing either Pablo, or Ramirez play there for a while, until Richar is healthy. Except for his arm, how much of what Juan brings to the game would we really miss?

santo=dorf
04-23-2008, 05:32 AM
Did Uribe's at-bat in the 7th finally convince everyone that the #9 spot in the lineup shouldn't be written off? Oh but his glove saved at least two runs tonight.

Parrothead
04-23-2008, 05:47 AM
Seriously. How in hell does anyone watch Big Brother and Hell's Kitchen instead of a Sox game?

With the way the late innings went I can't blame them. I would rather watch Oprah than something like that again.
:o:

SoxGirl4Life
04-23-2008, 06:11 AM
Maybe one bad game doesn't time-travel us back to 2007, like some good games don't time-travel us back to 2005.

ChicagoHoosier
04-23-2008, 06:27 AM
We've now lost a couple that I feel were ours to take. What I need is a couple wins that we steal away from the other team and even the score. That'll make me feel better. But is it too early to track games when we have the lead after 6 and lose vs. games we're down after 6 and win?

turners56
04-23-2008, 07:13 AM
Geez that was bad, it all started with Ozzie leaving Contreras in the 7th, he had no business pitching in that inning (I remember thinking, Contreras is definitely done after 6, I was surprised he was still in in the 7th). The first out from Giambi was absolutely crushed and then he walked the worst hitter in the lineup: Morgan Ensberg on 4 pitches. He should of been done right then. But Ozzie let him face Cabrera and went to Logan way too late. Dotel, once again, gives up a huge hit, he looked like he was almost out of it, but like most Sox pitchers on the night, he got behind the hitter. The 3 run homer in the 8th was inexcusable, Thornton had no business walking the leadoff man after a 0-2 count.

We got the hits to get enough runs, but we didn't extend on anything. I don't know how we kept on managing to strike out with one out and men in scoring position, that hurt a lot. This team has shown us it can come back after a bad game, let's hope Javy brings it today.

The Milkman
04-23-2008, 07:44 AM
Yea, I'm starting to feel that way too. He just doesn't have a whole lot left. There isn't anyone that I feel real comfortable going to in the seventh.

Ehren....COUGH....AHEM....Wass....COUGH...erman

palehozenychicty
04-23-2008, 08:07 AM
Well, when the other team scores, what? Seven? runs after the seventh, you're going to wind up losing. The bullpen looked like horse **** tonight, let's not kid ourselves about that. And the offense stranded twelve runners I think. That's just not going to get it done. That was a game we saw last year and I sure as hell hope we don't wind up seeing it anymore. Just awful.

Finally, while Damon's three run homer did us in, was I the only one who was upset that Uribe swung at the first pitch after Chamberlin walked in a run?


No. Then again, when you leave 13 on base and Dotel gives up a grand slam to the Tin Man, you don't deserve to win. This is about the third game that the Sox gave away this year, but that's why you play today. :(:

Jurr
04-23-2008, 08:08 AM
Ehren....COUGH....AHEM....Wass....COUGH...erman
Thank you. Right handed hitters went .147 against him AS A ROOKIE.
Dump Macdougal and get him. Our starters are good enough to condone the roster addition of a specialist.

jenn2080
04-23-2008, 08:13 AM
:rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:I wonder why...........

What an awful game. Bullpen was ****ty as it was a la 2007. Better get back on track....

Team was lifeless tonight.



It was absolutely disgusting. These fans were complete *******s. We all left our seats because it was out of control.


Dotel needs to go away ASAP. He is ****. As soon as they brought him I said there goes the lead.

SoxFan78
04-23-2008, 08:13 AM
Dotel ruined a perfectly good night for me. He had one job to do, and he couldn't do it. Anything else would of been better, but he decides to put one right where it shouldn't be.

I agree with a poster before and put him in middle relief. But he is not the caliber of Linebrink/Jenks anymore.

jenn2080
04-23-2008, 08:15 AM
Dotel ruined a perfectly good night for me. He had one job to do, and he couldn't do it. Anything else would of been better, but he decides to put one right where it shouldn't be.

I agree with a poster before and put him in middle relief. But he is not the caliber of Linebrink/Jenks anymore.



You must have not been at the game then.

Jerko
04-23-2008, 08:19 AM
Do we try Masset as the 7th inning guy? It can't be that hard to go one inning without giving up runs. Dotel doesn't seem to be the answer, and neither is the old one pitcher per batter technique. We need someone who can get BOTH right handed and left handed hitters out. Not to 2nd guess but I would have liked to have seen Logan against Abreu, but of course after that bull**** hit to Damon we got caught in the LRLRLR **** and couldn't leave him in against Jeter. Bottom line, Dotel and the offense blew it.

Hitmen77
04-23-2008, 08:26 AM
The only bright spots for me were Konerko looking like he's snapping out of his slump and Contreras having another decent outing.

I only watched the game on and off, but from what I saw Jose looked pretty good. That first inning run was thanks to a botched play by Konerko and then that was followed by some bloop hits.

Even in the 7th, Logan got Damon to hit an infield grounder....but it was a high chopper that he beat out for a hit. Instead of possibly getting out of the inning, the Yanks get 4 runs. :angry:

That's the kind of game it was - runners left in scoring position, softly hit singles by the opponent, lots of HRs surrendered, and a bullpen meltdown after a decent effort by a starter. Textbook 2007 game.:mad:

soxfan21
04-23-2008, 08:29 AM
I just hope that games like yesterday's do not happen too often this year. I was extremely upset during and sfter the game yesterday and really hope that Javy can get us back on track today, we can score runners that are in scoring position, and that the bullpen can hold a lead for 3 innings.

veeter
04-23-2008, 08:40 AM
The Sox haven't lost a series since the opening one. Let's keep the streak going.

Rocky Soprano
04-23-2008, 09:10 AM
Did Uribe's at-bat in the 7th finally convince everyone that the #9 spot in the lineup shouldn't be written off? Oh but his glove saved at least two runs tonight.

I HATE Uribe.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 09:23 AM
Did Uribe's at-bat in the 7th finally convince everyone that the #9 spot in the lineup shouldn't be written off? Oh but his glove saved at least two runs tonight.

He went 2-4 and drove in the first two runs of the game. Sorry he isn't perfect and yeah, it was a crappy at bat in the 7th, but he actually is hitting the ball better recently. I know, maybe we should write off Dye because he had an absolutely terrible night with MOB last night.

palehozenychicty
04-23-2008, 09:38 AM
He went 2-4 and drove in the first two runs of the game. Sorry he isn't perfect and yeah, it was a crappy at bat in the 7th, but he actually is hitting the ball better recently. I know, maybe we should write off Dye because he had an absolutely terrible night with MOB last night.


You can't compare the careers of those two guys. Sorry. Uribe is not a quality MLB starter. Dye has been reasonably good to sometimes great during his career. He was brutal yesterday too, but I'll give him a little more slack.

FedEx227
04-23-2008, 09:41 AM
You can't compare the careers of those two guys. Sorry. Uribe is not a quality MLB starter. Dye has been reasonably good to sometimes great during his career. He was brutal yesterday too, but I'll give him a little more slack.

Exactly, you can live with having a couple bad Dye days, but are we really forced to have bad Uribe seasons after seasons?

That at-bat in the 7th made no sense, not a single bit of sense at all, he just walks the last batter, is showing control problems... so with bases loaded you swing at the first pitch?! I'd get benched in Little League for that type of move.

scarsofthumper
04-23-2008, 09:44 AM
Gotta get your priorities straight!!!!LOL. My DVR was recording both shows so it kinda locked me out until one was done. I had the Gameday Audio turned on on my cell though.

RTI_SoxFan
04-23-2008, 09:48 AM
Exactly, you can live with having a couple bad Dye days, but are we really forced to have bad Uribe seasons after seasons?

That at-bat in the 7th made no sense, not a single bit of sense at all, he just walks the last batter, is showing control problems... so with bases loaded you swing at the first pitch?! I'd get benched in Little League for that type of move.

As someone mentioned above as did Hawk - it was a hanging breaking ball that he should have hit a country mile. Of course, he didn't and now everyone is calling for Uribe's head and saying he makes poor decisions.

If Juan does hit that ball a country mile, everyone would be saying "wow, what a great job of hitting by Juan. He knew Joba was struggling with control and he was looking breaking ball and got it! I still don't think he should be our everyday 2nd baseman though."

Juan Uribe is our best option at 2nd base, PERIOD! Until Richar is back, give it up folks. It ain't changin!

Now, let's win today and Thursday and win yet another series.

FedEx227
04-23-2008, 09:49 AM
As someone mentioned above as did Hawk - it was a hanging breaking ball that he should have hit a country mile. Of course, he didn't and now everyone is calling for Uribe's head and saying he makes poor decisions.

If Juan does hit that ball a country mile, everyone would be saying "wow, what a great job of hitting by Juan. He knew Joba was struggling with control and he was looking breaking ball and got it! I still don't think he should be our everyday 2nd baseman though."

Juan Uribe is our best option at 2nd base, PERIOD! Until Richar is back, give it up folks. It ain't changin!

Now, let's win today and Thursday and win yet another series.

Funny that you kid yourself and think that Richar will actually be put in the lineup when he's healthy.

I still don't think in that situation you swing, unless it's a 80 mph down the heart of the plate straight fastball, otherwise you test his wildness, he's in the situation where HE has to throw a strike, that's a hitters at-bat to the fullest, unfortunately Uribe is not a major league hitter.

skobabe8
04-23-2008, 09:55 AM
I'll never forget what the Taiwan flag looks like after last night.

SoxGirl4Life
04-23-2008, 09:58 AM
In all honesty, before the series started, I thought yesterday was going to be the toughest match-up.

And on a side note: Did anyone hear that guy on Rongy's post game that said Ozzie should have skipped Jose (out of the rotation) because he "does poorly against his old team" and started someone else?? Fantasy baseball mentality at its best.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 10:04 AM
I just realized no PTC winner had been announced. Looking at the box score, it came down to three guys, Konerko, Crede and Uribe. Konerko might have won it but for that double he gave up to Damon in the first. I almost picked Uribe just to piss off the haters, because it was that close.

jenn2080
04-23-2008, 10:19 AM
I'll never forget what the Taiwan flag looks like after last night.


Neither will I.

Chicken Dinner
04-23-2008, 11:15 AM
So Uribe goes 2 for 5 with 2 RBI's and doesn't strike out once and you people still bitch, whine, and cry. Amazing!! :scratch:

FedEx227
04-23-2008, 11:28 AM
So Uribe goes 2 for 5 with 2 RBI's and doesn't strike out once and you people still bitch, whine, and cry. Amazing!! :scratch:

When he carries that into the next game we'll talk. When he gets his OBP above Neifi Perez territory we'll talk, the fact still remains we have a mediocre AAA hitter in our 9-hole.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 11:30 AM
When he carries that into the next game we'll talk. When he gets his OBP above Neifi Perez territory we'll talk, the fact still remains we have a mediocre AAA hitter in our 9-hole.

Just like every other AL team...

jenn2080
04-23-2008, 11:32 AM
So Uribe goes 2 for 5 with 2 RBI's and doesn't strike out once and you people still bitch, whine, and cry. Amazing!! :scratch:


I am Juans biggest fan this year. I didnt think he did bad last night. Unfortunately he was in a bad spot when he left bases loaded. Our other guys didnt do much with runners on either.

Meixner007
04-23-2008, 11:39 AM
I am Juans biggest fan this year. I didnt think he did bad last night. Unfortunately he was in a bad spot when he left bases loaded. Our other guys didnt do much with runners on either.

Juan did pretty well last night considering he's Juan.

My problem is this. Chamberlin walks the previous hitter, correct? Bases are still loaded, crowd is into it. Nerves are pretty tight. Why oh why is he swinging at the first pitch?

Pear-Zin-Ski
04-23-2008, 11:48 AM
I dont think they've left this many men on base so far in one game this year...but Ive noticed the Sox leave quite a few on base normally...we gotta work on that....

By the way...I saw zero percent of the game....

Lip Man 1
04-23-2008, 11:49 AM
ChicagoHoosiers:

Well to answer your question, there have been two games now where the Sox took a lead into the 7th inning and lost the game (both in the last six days) and one game where they trailed going into the 7th inning or later and won. That was on April 7th when Crede hit the home run against the Twins.

Lip

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 11:55 AM
I dont think they've left this many men on base so far in one game this year...but Ive noticed the Sox leave quite a few on base normally...we gotta work on that....

By the way...I saw zero percent of the game....

Part of that is having a high OBP in general. If you have a high OBP and leave few men on base, you are probably going to win the WS walking away.

BRDSR
04-23-2008, 11:55 AM
It IS starting to wear thin, but who the hell else do we have? Would you rather see Pablo in there? Alexei?

As Uribe was coming to the plate, I thought to myself that I would rather see Pablo at the plate in that situation than Uribe. Sure, Pablo might have gotten out too. But I sincerely doubt he would have popped up the first pitch.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 11:57 AM
As Uribe was coming to the plate, I thought to myself that I would rather see Pablo at the plate in that situation than Uribe. Sure, Pablo might have gotten out too. But I sincerely doubt he would have popped up the first pitch.

Uribe's been seeing the ball better recently including a just missed HR on Saturday and being robbed of a double on Sunday. Add in that he was 2-4 in this game with 2 RBI and can dial up his swing to hit any speed pitch and I can't really fault OG for letting him hit.

SouthPaw72
04-23-2008, 12:08 PM
True we left men on bases afew times and they should have scored BUT as alot of the time, our bull pen let us down. We REALLY NEED HELP THERE!

Gammons Peter
04-23-2008, 12:22 PM
ugly game.

.500 is just around the corner if we don't right the ship soon

turners56
04-23-2008, 12:34 PM
So Uribe goes 2 for 5 with 2 RBI's and doesn't strike out once and you people still bitch, whine, and cry. Amazing!! :scratch:

He had one good hit, but when crunch time came in that 8th with the Sox down 2, he pops up on the first pitch? Another example of Uribe swinging at everything.

Jerko
04-23-2008, 01:04 PM
Not defending Uribe, but sometimes after a walk, the first pitch of the next at bat is a meatball.

Chicken Dinner
04-23-2008, 01:08 PM
He had one good hit, but when crunch time came in that 8th with the Sox down 2, he pops up on the first pitch? Another example of Uribe swinging at everything.

The Sox would have been down by 4 without that "1 good hit". The "Uribe haters club" needs to chill out.

spiffie
04-23-2008, 01:19 PM
The Sox would have been down by 4 without that "1 good hit". The "Uribe haters club" needs to chill out.
You're right. The lack of ability to hit at anything close to a major league average level isn't Juan's fault. It is God's fault for not giving him the tools needed to hit major league pitching. Juan is a victim of circumstances.

turners56
04-23-2008, 01:23 PM
The Sox would have been down by 4 without that "1 good hit". The "Uribe haters club" needs to chill out.

I would of liked that "1 hit" in the 8th with the bases jammed.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 01:25 PM
I would of liked that "1 hit" in the 8th with the bases jammed.

That's baseball...

turners56
04-23-2008, 01:28 PM
That's baseball...

More like that's just Juan Uribe...swinging at the first pitch after a walk GENIUS! Did I mention it was high too?

jenn2080
04-23-2008, 01:31 PM
More like that's just Juan Uribe...swinging at the first pitch after a walk GENIUS! Did I mention it was high too?


And as I said before it wasn't like anyone else on the team left runners stranded.

turners56
04-23-2008, 01:37 PM
And as I said before it wasn't like anyone else on the team left runners stranded.

Unlike Juan, they don't do it in almost every game and every single opportunity they get. Couldn't somebody tell Juan to take the first pitch? That's what I'm pissed about. If Uribe gets a nice at bat and shows me that he actually tried to play legitimate baseball for once, I wouldn't have such a grudge against him for that at bat. Unfortunately, Juan swung at a high pitch on the very first pitch with the bases loaded and the Sox down two. As Ed Farmer says, "keep the line moving", Juan didn't need to try and hit a home run. Unfortunately, Uribe doesn't have that instilled in his head 90% of the time. I would of liked him to get a hit in that situation, but if he didn't get it and battled Chamberlain for a good 7 pitches, I wouldn't be so bitter. The way he went at the at bat just pissed me off.

RockJock07
04-23-2008, 01:41 PM
Jaun is bad, why are people defending him? It just blows my mind, he goes 2-5 and people are saying to back off Juan! WHAT??? He is bad this year and has been pretty bad for a long time. the free swinging juan is who he will always be, why settle for it?

The fact that he was first pitch swinging is just insane. For that alone, I would bench his ass for 3 games. At some point Kenny has to realize that he his really one of the weakest links on this team.

JB98
04-23-2008, 01:41 PM
Exactly, you can live with having a couple bad Dye days, but are we really forced to have bad Uribe seasons after seasons?

That at-bat in the 7th made no sense, not a single bit of sense at all, he just walks the last batter, is showing control problems... so with bases loaded you swing at the first pitch?! I'd get benched in Little League for that type of move.

I completely disagree with this line of thinking. The pitcher just walked in a run. You know he doesn't want to do that again, so he's going to make sure he throws a strike on the first pitch. The pitcher wants to get ahead in the count in that situation. There's nothing wrong with a hitter sitting on the first pitch under that scenario. It might be the best one you get.

It isn't like Uribe swung at a bad pitch. It was a good one to hit. He just didn't hit it.

One of my biggest pet peeves is fans griping about hitters swinging at the first pitch. What advantage is there to be gained by taking strike one and falling behind in the count? It's a damn good thing Paul Konerko didn't take strike one right down the middle with the bags full in Game 2 of the 2005 World Series.

I'm sure someone will retort by saying that Wade Boggs always took strike one. Well, Wade Boggs is in the Hall of Fame for a reason. He could hit with two strikes on him. Juan Uribe can't. Therefore, Uribe has to jump on a pitcher early in the count.

JB98
04-23-2008, 01:43 PM
Not defending Uribe, but sometimes after a walk, the first pitch of the next at bat is a meatball.

There's no question about it. That was a hittable pitch. Seriously, do people want Juan Uribe to take two strikes against a pitcher like Joba Chamberlain?

That's insane. That's a strikeout waiting to happen.

rightsox
04-23-2008, 01:48 PM
It was absolutely disgusting. These fans were complete *******s. We all left our seats because it was out of control.



I was in 101 in right center, and it was pretty under control where we were (friendly taunting, par for the course), but it looked to us like there were going to be riots in the bleachers. I would have gotten the hell out of there too.

That said, I hate going to the Yankees games in Chicago. The ********s just come out of the woodwork.

Jerko
04-23-2008, 01:50 PM
I think I'm going tonight. I'll start out in the concourse and if it gets rowdy I'll take refuge in the stadium club. I'm hoping with no Cub home afternoon game the crowd won't be as bad as it sounded last night.

jenn2080
04-23-2008, 01:54 PM
There's no question about it. That was a hittable pitch. Seriously, do people want Juan Uribe to take two strikes against a pitcher like Joba Chamberlain?

That's insane. That's a strikeout waiting to happen.


Exactly. If it was anyone else on the team people would not be freaking out like they are with Juan.

spiffie
04-23-2008, 02:05 PM
Exactly. If it was anyone else on the team people would not be freaking out like they are with Juan.
No one else on the team has a history of failing at the plate as often as Juan Uribe does. Most of the guys on the team have shown over the course of 1000's of AB's that they will generally be average to above average hitters. Juan Uribe has shown that he will be a considerably below average hitter over those 1000's of AB's. Juan Uribe has earned no benefit of the doubt, no willingness to let him ride out a slump, since he's been basically in a slump since 2005. No one is pissed just because Juan failed to get a hit with bases loaded last night. They're pissed that once more the Sox field a lineup with a player who is an abysmal hitter who just happened to fail in a critical spot last night.

Chicken Dinner
04-23-2008, 02:08 PM
Exactly. If it was anyone else on the team people would not be freaking out like they are with Juan.

If he hit a double and we lost 9-8 the "Juan haters club" would still bitch and moan that the loss was his fault. They have tunnel vision.

JB98
04-23-2008, 02:10 PM
No one else on the team has a history of failing at the plate as often as Juan Uribe does. Most of the guys on the team have shown over the course of 1000's of AB's that they will generally be average to above average hitters. Juan Uribe has shown that he will be a considerably below average hitter over those 1000's of AB's. Juan Uribe has earned no benefit of the doubt, no willingness to let him ride out a slump, since he's been basically in a slump since 2005. No one is pissed just because Juan failed to get a hit with bases loaded last night. They're pissed that once more the Sox field a lineup with a player who is an abysmal hitter who just happened to fail in a critical spot last night.

I can understand that people would like to see someone else batting ninth for the Sox this year. That's fine. I just really disagree with the criticism of Uribe's decision to swing at the first pitch. An aggressive approach with the bases loaded and the game on the line does not bother me one bit.

IMO, the chances of Uribe working a bases-loaded walk in that situation were next to nil.

SoxGirl4Life
04-23-2008, 02:14 PM
I sure hope the players let this one go faster that we have. Its one game. In April.

LoveYourSuit
04-23-2008, 02:19 PM
The "Uribe Haters" are not hating because of one AB last night. They are hating because the guy has been one of the worst hitters to ever wear a White Sox uniform for his entire career. He is a career .294 OBP% player.

:scratch: Give me a reason not to "hate."


He had a great postseason in '05 with the glove, all of a sudden some you guys think this guy can walk on water because of that.


HE SUCKS !

spiffie
04-23-2008, 02:23 PM
I can understand that people would like to see someone else batting ninth for the Sox this year. That's fine. I just really disagree with the criticism of Uribe's decision to swing at the first pitch. An aggressive approach with the bases loaded and the game on the line does not bother me one bit.

IMO, the chances of Uribe working a bases-loaded walk in that situation were next to nil.
Honestly I didn't really care that he swung at the first pitch. Though oddly throughout his career he has been a significantly better hitter with a 0-1 count than he has been with a 0-0 count (870 vs 818 OPS), but he tends to be awful in general after getting down 0-1 (598 career OPS) so whatever. His problem is simply that he is Juan Uribe.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 02:26 PM
The "Uribe Haters" are not hating because of one AB last night. They are hating because the guy has been one of the worst hitters to ever wear a White Sox uniform for his entire career. He is a career .294 OBP% player.

:scratch: Give me a reason not to "hate."


He had a great postseason in '05 with the glove, all of a sudden some you guys think this guy can walk on water because of that.


HE SUCKS !

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA...

Show me the poster who thinks Uribe walks on water. No one has said any such thing. People have merely pointed out that based on options at 2B, where he bats in the lineup and then some situation specific instances, he doesn't deserve the venom you and others are throwing his way.

Soxman219
04-23-2008, 03:56 PM
Last night's game was a heartbreaker.:angry: My heart just sank when Abreu hit that slam. But it's only one game and were still in 1st. At least we know that we can play with the Yankees. We have Vazquez on the mound tonight, lets hope he continues what he's doing.

Hitmen77
04-23-2008, 04:28 PM
Last night's game was a heartbreaker.:angry: My heart just sank when Abreu hit that slam. But it's only one game and were still in 1st. At least we know that we can play with the Yankees. We have Vazquez on the mound tonight, lets hope he continues what he's doing.

Tell me about it. I was much more demoralizing to me than the Jenks blown save in Baltimore. With that other game, it wasn't bugging me as much the next day.

Yesterday's game, though, still really irks me. It just reminded me soooo much of so many 2007 games. Lots of stranded runners, duck snorts by the other team, bullpen meltdown.... Ughhh!!!:angry:

Hopefully it's just one of those games that every team eventually has in an otherwise successful season.

Cat Thief
04-23-2008, 04:32 PM
Has a Postgame thread ever stayed around this long?

:scratch:

Soxman219
04-23-2008, 04:38 PM
Has a Postgame thread ever stayed around this long?

:scratch:

Well I was going to post last night but I was tired and angry so. :redface:

Dan Mega
04-23-2008, 05:25 PM
I have learned that Steve Stone made comments about Juan swinging at that first pitch. I have also learned that the Yankees announcers were making comments about Ozzie's bullpen management, specifically on having Dotel pitch against Abreau.

Some of us "haters" are making these same comments as well. I guess Steve "Hater" Stone should be lumped in with the rest of us. The Yanks announcers too.

Dan Mega
04-23-2008, 05:27 PM
Show me the poster who thinks Uribe walks on water. No one has said any such thing. People have merely pointed out that based on options at 2B, where he bats in the lineup and then some situation specific instances, he doesn't deserve the venom you and others are throwing his way.

Show me the poster who said that others here think Uribe walks on water.

If you'd like, I can show you posters who think that Sox management can do no wrong, and that Sox players aren't to blame for making bad mistakes at the wrong time.

voodoochile
04-23-2008, 05:39 PM
The "Uribe Haters" are not hating because of one AB last night. They are hating because the guy has been one of the worst hitters to ever wear a White Sox uniform for his entire career. He is a career .294 OBP% player.

:scratch: Give me a reason not to "hate."


He had a great postseason in '05 with the glove, all of a sudden some you guys think this guy can walk on water because of that.


HE SUCKS !

Show me the poster who said that others here think Uribe walks on water.

If you'd like, I can show you posters who think that Sox management can do no wrong, and that Sox players aren't to blame for making bad mistakes at the wrong time.

It's the exact reason I replied to that quote. It's actually quoted in my reply post that you then replied to asking me to show the person who said it.

Dan Mega
04-23-2008, 05:40 PM
My bad, missed it, boh :redface:

ws05champs
04-23-2008, 05:45 PM
I was pretty embarassed to be a Sox fan tonight. The fans were absolute *******s. It was absolutely disgusting. We left our seats and stood on the concourse because it was so bad. Idiot White Sox fans + Yankees fans + Mets fans + Cubs fans = HELL!


Wow! So it wasn't just me that noticed that. I was on the UD and I thought the same way too. As we were leaving I said to Mrs. ws05champs that I felt it was one of the worst collections of fans I have seen for a while - and I was talking about the White Sox fans.

Chicken Dinner
04-23-2008, 05:47 PM
I am done as a Sox fan.

I thought you were done? :D:

Dan Mega
04-23-2008, 05:55 PM
I thought you were done? :D:

I've been done since the illustrious Cliff Politte was given his walking papers.

santo=dorf
04-23-2008, 07:30 PM
So Uribe goes 2 for 5 with 2 RBI's and doesn't strike out once and you people still bitch, whine, and cry. Amazing!! :scratch:
...but, but, but, he's not clutch! Remember, "don't tell me what you hit, tell me when you hit?"

Uribe sucks. The worst part of that at-bat was popping up the first pitch after a base loaded walk. Where was his head at? That's unforgivable.

TheOldRoman
04-23-2008, 07:44 PM
Ehren....COUGH....AHEM....Wass....COUGH...ermanWas sermann can't get lefties out. Unless the other team has 3 good righties coming up (who they won't pinch hit for) I don't want him being the "7th inning" guy.

Funny that you kid yourself and think that Richar will actually be put in the lineup when he's healthy.
Yes, I know. Ozzie is so in love with Uribe. Uribe was gone in spring training. They found out Richar would be out 6-8 weeks, so they pulled Uribe back. If Richar comes back healthy and produces in his rehab stint, he will be starting soon.

FedEx227
04-23-2008, 09:43 PM
Wassermann can't get lefties out. Unless the other team has 3 good righties coming up (who they won't pinch hit for) I don't want him being the "7th inning" guy.


Yes, I know. Ozzie is so in love with Uribe. Uribe was gone in spring training. They found out Richar would be out 6-8 weeks, so they pulled Uribe back. If Richar comes back healthy and produces in his rehab stint, he will be starting soon.

He wasn't gone, he was put on waivers, that's just testing the water. The Red Sox put Manny Ramirez on waivers just about every year just to see the realistic trade options for him. It wasn't an absolutely definite. We'll revisit this when Richar is healthy, for the Sox sake I hope you guys are all right, but I seriously doubt it.

TheOldRoman
04-23-2008, 09:48 PM
He wasn't gone, he was put on waivers, that's just testing the water. The Red Sox put Manny Ramirez on waivers just about every year just to see the realistic trade options for him. It wasn't an absolutely definite. We'll revisit this when Richar is healthy, for the Sox sake I hope you guys are all right, but I seriously doubt it.I realize that, and a team claimed him. Reports said the Sox worked out a deal with the claiming team, then called it off. I looked like they were ready to move him until they realize Richar was out a month and a half. Seriously, nothing Ozzie has said this year has been the least bit favorable about Uribe.

Tragg
04-23-2008, 10:24 PM
Just to reiterate what I mentioned after opening day: Dotel is an arsonist - get used to it. What he did Tue night he does with regularity. For every appearance like that he'll give us 3-5 flawless appearances. That's what he is. He's an extreme risk to bring in with runners on....good chance at a K but also at a homer. He's best used to pitch a clean inning of relief - if he gophers, it's a solo shot.